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Not sure at this point if just Dimebag is dead or his brother too. I guess we'll find out later today. |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | another article about the shooting,with some pics:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/entertainment/article.adp?id=20041208235109990025
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how soon will it be till metal detectors will be a part of our daily life? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Been watching the news.
Amazing what society has become and since the killer was shot and killed we will never know the true motivation of why he did it like we did when MDC shot JL. |
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Location: NJ | yup but think of the millions saved in his room and board and trial.
as I understand the cop that shot him did so as he was still shooting, if the cop did not act as he did more people may be dead. Tough call in a tougher situation but IMHO it was the right one. |
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Location: SoCal | I doubt if it was a tough call at all. The cop did the right thing in that situation. Hell, he did the only thing. Only on tv do you shoot to wound, or try to disarm somebody who's already shooting. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Well, here in Brooklyn, regularly they have metal detectors and searches at rap and hip-hop events. Never at county music or blues or jazz venues. Why? Well that's a rhetorical question. At least from the tone of the music, 'cause I can't understand what they're saying, the image I get of Dimebag is that he's into this violent scene. I'm not saying you reap what you sew, cause I don't know what motivated the shooter, but it makes you wonder. |
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Location: SoCal | Rap and hip hop tends to glorify violence. Jazz, blues and country don't. Know your audience. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | If I was there (which I was wasn't) and packing(which I don't), I would have shot the bastard myself. |
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Location: NJ | Metal detectors and/or "pat down" will (and probably should) become more prevalant at smaller venues (of all types) . . .
Overseas suicide bombings and such don't normally happen in large arenas and such, it's usually nightclubs and discos. Just be a matter of time . . .
Happens at TwoManGroup gigs all the time . .
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Speaking of violence, just saw this ...
I didn't know ...
1964, Sam Cooke is shot and beaten to death by a motel manager in Los Angeles ... Cooke was apparently running amok wearing only a sport coat and shoes ... he was chasing a young woman who had fled his room with his clothes after he had assaulted her ... in pursuit Cooke broke open the door to the manager's office door resulting in her shooting him three times and then beating Cooke for good measure ... he was dead when police arrived... |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | although i really dont know dimebag or his music, i am really saddened to see another musician meet a violent end. my thoughts are with his family and the families of the others killed and injured. a person is at risk these days even when locked in their house. step outside and the risk increases. life seems to have little value to a growing number of people.
the right to bear arms has deviated from it's original intention. i don't mean to start a gun debate, because i understand both sides. i grew up in detroit where kids packed guns to school back in the early 60's. i learned how to make a zip gun from a car antenna and a bolt door latch when i was 12. three of my classmates were killed before they graduated. guns have become the ultimate form of resolution. i hate to say it but i feel safer here in mexico where handguns are not permitted except in very special cases. crimes seem to be of opportunity rather than of passion or violence. i don't know what the answer is after 200 years habit. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | This is really sad.
I've never been a fan of Dimebag's music, but it is really horrible that this has happened. The violent manner in which it happened is sickening, and I feel for his family, friends and fans.
He was good friends with Zakk Wylde of Ozzy's band (and Black Label Society). I read an article within the last year or so when they described a late "drinking" night where they were hanging out and kept calling Eddie Van Halen at 3 in the morning because they had a 'great idea' for the 3 of them to do a cd together. It was a little like reading a beavis and butthead interview, but anyway...
No one deserves to check out like this. I do feel that Dime's lifestyle and music promoted anger, violence, and extreme excess, so it is reasonable to expect something really violent to happen at a show eventually...but it's still somehow shocking and incredibly sad.
I hope they can piece the motive for it together.
All the best to the fans.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Here's my predicition.... If we find out the motivation, it will have had nothing to do with his music. No basis, just a gut feeling.
As far as metal detectors, I have seen them more and more at clubs. Sometimes they are hidden too in the door frame, but anyway, I see them a lot, but this is the DC area, they were in place long before 9/11.
As far as metal detectors at HipHop events and not Country events, well that makes sence. If they had metal detectors at all Country events, there would be no audience or band or roadies allowed in. |
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Location: SE Michigan | We live in an unusual nation in incredible times. I find it bizarre that to drive a car you must (1) demonstrate that you are competent by getting and maintaining a license, (2) procure liability insurance in case you hurt someone, and (3) re-license the car annually and prove that it meets standards.
Yet any 21 year old who doesn’t have a felony record can by a gun, no other questions asked. Any 21 year old can walk into any store and by ammo, no questions asked. This is insanity. Talk about getting weapons away from terrorists!!
A gun makes even a child lethal. Most healthy people at least stand a chance of defending themselves against a knife or other weapon, or a least you can run away. But nobody stands a chance against a nut with a gun. But somehow the right to own a gun supercedes everyone else’s right to live in relative safety. Like I said we live in an unusual Nation |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | You may be right about the motivation.
The only thing I'm thinking that would make it music related would be some kind of grudge/vengeance from an ex-Pantera member or something. Those guys did nothing to hide their constant substance abuse/drinking. I can imagine it's hard to keep yourself in check when you're pissed off and consistantly loaded.
Who knows...
It's rather upsetting that they felt it needed to be handled, whatever the motivation, in a public arena (so to speak).
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Don't even get started on the gun thing.. I'll just say if murder was legal, and guns were sold at 7-11, people would be a lot more polite to each other and expecially to strangers. |
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Location: NJ | I always felt that every US citizen should be allowed 5 "legal kills" over the course of their life. People would be A LOT less likely to piss each other off . . . . |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I almost hate to chime in on this stuff because it usually ends up getting people all twisted out of position. But anyway, I can really go to either extreme (how's THAT for a commitment). What I mean is, exactly as I said earlier in this thread, if I had a gun I would have shot the scum bag myself. And I can also agree with all the other posts about people being better to their fellow man if murder was legel, etc.
But at the other extreme, and I agree with this also - I spend a lot of time in The Netherlands which is where my companies HQ is located. It's basically illigal to own a gun and guess what? The crime/murder rate involving guns is like ZERO. Same for DUI. One offense and you pretty much lose your license for life. So how many people do you suppose are killed by drunk drivers? You got it.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I wasn't going to continue this, but we seem to be civil and so far we've all agreed that humand killing humans just seems wrong. So with the thought that guns don't kill people, but people kill people... I am cuirious about the Netherlands. "The crime/murder rate involving guns is like ZERO"
But is there still crime and murder? I'm not asking to be a smart-ass, but from my knowledge of several places around the world where as normal course, people don't really consider violent crimes against other people. Crimes against a buisness or government yes, but stealing from another person just isn't normal as it is here, and I wondered about the Netherlands having never been there.
I lived in the Philippines when it was under Marshall law. On a similar note to the Netherlands, crimes involving guns were almost non-existant, however... guns themselves, although totally illegal, where everywhere. It's where I started my first collection. Guns were totally illegal, everyone had one or so it seemed, and the biggest crimes were pick-pockets around the Military bases and in big cities. The people just didn't seem to want to kill people, that was a nice place to live. There was crime, there was violence, but not killing for the most part.
On the subject of DUI's. In Hawaii, I believe it sill holds that a single DUI looses your license FOREVER!!!! in the state. When I lived there, the cops would do everything to not take your license. If you got stopped at a check-point, and just told the officer you need a ride home, you usually got one. They cops knew forever was a long time, so you got to make one mistake, use it wisely. But, with that in mind, I don't ever remember an alcohol related car accident on the news. I'm sure it must have happened, but I just don't ever recall it. Never understood why that wasn't a nationwide policy. Get a DUI = don't ever drive again.
I realize this thread is a little off-topic, I stated so in the title. If we need to stop, we will. But, as musicians and artists and fans of the same, I think talking about crime and prevention of it, especially crimes like what started this thread, is important, becasuse it in some way affects us. Like Lennon or Dimebag and so many others, what possibly could making a little music do to deserve being shot. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | We have some Dutch members here who could comment better than I, but there absolutely IS crime in The Netherlands. Pick-pockets and car theft are huge problems. Crime against property, vandelism, etc. is also present. But not armed crimes, robbery, etc. Violent crimes against human-kind are nothing like they are in the US. There are some murders and rapes of course, but it's nowhere near like it is here. And everyone points to the gun laws as being the major reason why such a difference. I'm not taking a stand here, just relaying information. |
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Location: Corvallis, OR | For reasons that are beyond my comprehension, celebrities often become the target of hate or aggression from deranged fans. And I guess, the more notariety you have, the more vulnerable you become.
I am so far down the notariety scale, that all I can report is that in 1975, while performing in coffee house, a drunk threw a drink at me. It increased my stage fright to the nth degree, and I havent performed since then.
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | Pantera (subsequently Damageplan)was a "local band that made it big" from here in Arlington. I wasn't a fan of thiers, don't know that much about them aside that they were a major force in local and national "Heavy Metal" scene. It's a f***ing shame...
Three articles in todays Fort Worth paper talk about the shooting and about "Dimebag" Darrell:
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Location: Omaha | For reasons that are beyond my comprehension, celebrities often become the target of hate or aggression from deranged fans. And I guess, the more notariety you have, the more vulnerable you become.
Anonymity has it's privileges.
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | i like what i have read about the netherlands on a number of socio-political issues. i would really like to spend a couple of months there someday to see it first hand again. i was there in 67, and only traveled in the student, hippie circles. i had lots of fun and ate the flattest pancakes ever.
to me what seems to be the issue at hand is a complicated combination of the letter of the law, the spirit of the law, and enforcement of the law. the letter begins with a 200 year old constitution where the intention or spirit had more to do with freedom and liberty. since then firearms have been used as the ultimate lever and final solution for almost everything from putting meat in the freezer to chilling the guy that cut you off on the freeway. need a car? why work and save? jerk some poor mf out of his ride and cancel his title by capping him.
here, where the stereotype image is of gun toating banditos, rifles are allowed on a farm, or for hunting. shotguns with a permit. handguns seem to be a grey area in the home of a mexican and almost impossible for a foriegner in their home. on new years eve on my farm (very rural old mexico in san luis potosi) there were many 6 round big caliber rapid fire sequences, just to make an obvious point as well as celebrate. the local officials look the other way. but just get caught with one bullet in your car and you are in major trouble. add a little "i know my rights" to the conversation, and you had better have allot of available cash or like tortillas, because you will likely be eating them for years.
since i own a boat i have a legal 25mm magnesium flare gun. if i had to use it for other than it's intended use, a white hot ball of fire coming at the one in 1000 crooks that didn't run, even if it missed the first time would change their perspective about easy money. i doubt i will ever have to use it as the locals have seen it in action for a fiesta or two.
on the street the several branches of the police don't want any armed competition and are beyond tough. they enforce the law so far beyond what is legally allowed, an offender that could still see straight would have to be nuts to do it again. the trials are usually pleas of guilty. and if the criminal fires shots it is rare there is even the need for a trial. a three time offender (burglar) made the mistake of getting drunk and saying he wasnt afraid of the cops and would shoot one. no one has seen him in over a year. at the same time the judicial system here is FAR from ideal.
therein is allot of the differences in the usa. laws are riddled loopholes for the criminal who often have more rights than the victim. the police and the courts are at war wearing mittens and blindfolds. the officer who took out dimebags killer did us all a favor. i hope he isn't accused of using excessive force.
alcohol here is another story. it is pervasive, and at the worst lands you in dirty cell for the night, and relieves you of the dillema of what you were going to spend the money in your pockets on. alcohol doesn't present a threat to the police,(they are notorius party animals) so it isn't usually enforced as a crime until someone gets hurt. the head of the federales in our district, (mexicos well known guys in mirrored sunglasses and black patrol cars), would hang with us at our local club/bar where i play. he sang a short set with us backing him up regularly. actually good if you like romantica. we would at times have a dozen cops with their chavas and chelas at hand till long after closing, running up and paying huge tabs. anyone who took the time to introduce themselves, share a copita and remember a few names did wonders for their stay in mexico.
a saying here goes---"mexico, so far from god and so close to the otro lado (usa)".
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | As Russ has said
It don't make a shit what kind of laws are passed, what kind of great ideas are imagined, on the street, heat will be carried. The man who killed "Dimebag" was a certifiable crazy who thought they had stolen his songs. No amount of metal detectors will save us from the singular crazy, a little thought about the provocation of some music might save some lives, but that would deprive some drooling idiots of their reason to live (there is a French phrase for this but I won't quote it)
The man was a flaming example of the desire of many of our losers to be famous like their musical heroes. This man killed his. |
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Location: SE Michigan | The great myths of the NRA and gun nuts:
(1) You can never get all the guns off the streets, the existing laws don’t work, so don’t bother trying. This is like saying people are going to die anyway so why have doctors and hospitals, or like saying people are still going to hit each other once in a while so lets legalize assault.
(2) We need the guns to protect us from a corrupt government: I have served in the U.S. Military and I have seen their weapons. I don’t care if you are the best –armed cornfield militiaman out there, you don’t stand a chance against the U.S. Armed forces. If they want to take you out, you are gone, no matter how well armed you are. And you don’t see the governments of the Canadians, British, Dutch, etc., etc., etc, running amok and abusing their citizens.
(3) Criminals will use knives, swords, clubs, etc. to kill people. If I am approached in dark parking lot by a fifteen-year-old crack head with a knife, I might get hurt or even killed but I at least stand a fighting chance. If the same kid approaches me with a 9mm, I am as good as dead. On stage I could fend off any knife-wielding fan using a Telecaster or a Legend or a mic stand, and I might even kill him first. Again against a gun you don’t stand a chance.
(4) Its all about personal responsibility, guns don’t kill people, people kill people: The problem with personal responsibility is that not all persons are responsible. You may be sane and trustworthy with a gun, but just read the newspapers to hear about all the crazy people who cant seem to control themselves.
Also, let the record reflect that I own two hunting shotguns, so I am not anti-gun. Guns are tools with a purpose and can be used safely. But this country is out of control with guns. I think our Government should offer $1000 no-questions asked for every illegal gun turned into the police and destroyed. Maybe that would start to put a dent in the guns on the street. Paying a $1000 up front would be cheaper than suffering with and paying for the carnage that they inflict.
And for those who want to legally own guns, they should have to license the weapon and themselves and renew the license annually, just like an automobile. They should also be required to demonstate that they are still sane and compentent and havent gone off the deep end by having a letter from their doctor. You have to do this to pilot an airplane. Also I think it would be great to require a liabilty insurance policy in case you hurt someone, just like your automobile. |
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Location: SoCal | I'm not going to get into this one except to say that I disagree with Brian, feel that he's slanting his statements to suite his purposes (hey, we all do to one degree or another), and that most of his points aren't valid.
I gotta go work, but I'll go into detail if anybody wants me to when I get back.
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Location: SE Michigan | Paul, sorry if my post sounded like a rant or is off topic. It's hard to just focus on guitars after the constant stream of tragedies. The internet is the new town square of our era, and I feel compelled to speak out. As important as things like pickups, strings, ebay auctions, and slot head guitars are, I hope I can at least influence some people with some common sense. Tragedies like Dimebag's murder, the Wisconsin Deer Hunter massacre, Columbine high school, The Washington DC sniper, the murder of John Lennon, not to mention the continuous “minor” tragedies that occur almost daily in every state of this union, compel me to speak out. I am outraged and hope others are as well. This insanity will not stop until more of us become outraged. Also the freedom of speech is our most important right, not to speak out would truly be un-American.
Musically, Slipkid and I are practicing weekly, trying to add songs to our set. We have been doing open mics, but maybe soon we want to do a whole show. I figure we need 40 or so well rehearsed songs, we have maybe 12 now. I also started voice lessons to help improve my singing; I will provide feedback later on how well that works out. Thanks for asking. |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | i didn't want to see this become a gun debate, and appoligize if my posts led it in that direction.
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | thank you Miles.
brian, re: "Musically, Slipkid and I are practicing weekly, trying to add songs to our set. We have been doing open mics, but maybe soon we want to do a whole show. I figure we need 40 or so well rehearsed songs, we have maybe 12 now. I also started voice lessons to help improve my singing; I will provide feedback later on how well that works out. Thanks for asking."
to do 3 sets (30 3-4min songs) a 40 song list is a good number to start with to mix the pot a bit from week to week. we have found however in a couple of our groups that you should have a core of songs to which the audience responds to your group in a positive fashion with regularity, a rotating number of stock songs that changes every performance, and most importantly new material every week that becomes part of an expanding base. get to know your audience and carefully calculate how to construct your sets. an after dinner set will be vastly different from a happy hour set which will be vastly different from a crowd that is dancing before last call. even then you have to be prepared to read their reactions and change your game plan on the spot.
we have it allot easier here in vacation land. we have a constantly rotating crop of people here to have fun and that have left their pressures behind. give them a sunset dinner on the beach, a couple of margaritas and what follows is usually well received without as much planning. it's the regulars, permanent residents and snow birds that keep us on our toes. |
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Location: SoCal | Brian, your comments didn't bother me. I just disagree with some of your conclusions. Good people can always disagree and discuss and still feel passionate. We both have that in common. We should be able to sit down over a few beers and discuss, disagree, and discuss some more. Then hit the really important topic of how do we explain to our wives that they need to come down and take us home.
Where are you getting the tunes for your set list? Cliff has the list of tunes that he and his partner choose from and it's a pretty good list. You ought to check it out on their webpage http://www.twomangroup.net/
Also, let us know how the voice lessons go. I've often thought of doing that but I've had too many people tell me that you can't shine shit. |
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Location: SE Michigan | Songs we have ready:
Tequilla Sunrise (Eagles)
Get Together (Jesse Collin Young)
Kids are Alright (Who)
Mrs. Brown (Herman's Hermits)
Crazy Love (Van Morrison)
Happy Together (Turtles)
Ticket to Ride (Beatles)
The Wieght (The Band)
Wonderfull Tonight (Eric Clapton)
Country Roads (John Denver)
Cant get it out of my head (Jeff Lynn)
We are working on:
Looking out my back door (CCR)
Nature's Way (Spirit)
I'll be back (Beatles)
We try to add three or four a month. We both have day jobs so this is just a hobby. Half the battle is finding songs that suit our singing and playing abilities. But we are getting tight, crisp beginnings and endings, harmony vocals, different guitar parts. Maybe by summer we'll have enough for a full show. |
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Rap and hip hop tends to glorify violence. Jazz, blues and country don't. Know your audience.
You tend to reap what you sow... whatever anyone can say about this music, it certainly has glorified crime and violence, and no one ever died at any of the so-called rock and roll "riots" at 50's shows. And even when rock "killed" in the 70's and 80's, it was because of promotor greed and lousy crowd control.
Live by the sword... die by the sword. If rap and hiphop want to make their fortunes off glorifying the gangsta lifestyle, its purveyors have to and should be ready to pay the price.
It just goes with the territory. These guys should be immune when John Lennon dies from violence?
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | hey brian, you have a great start on a songlist that is going to appeal to a pretty broad spectrum of listeners. what type of venue do you have in mind? if you are able to add 3 new rehearsed songs a week that is way better than we seem to be able to do, though the club owner and lead singer has a pretty big bag of surprises he springs on us at any time. crisp starts and solid endings, especially the latter makes a pretty solid statement about your commitment. you are taking a commendible approach.
philo's, where i play the most always has a changing mix of musicians after the first set. it has become known as the place to jam in our area. it is a great practice in listening and working to maintain the groove. i play allot of rhythm and use easily identifiable chord shapes on changes to help keep things smoother. maybe someday you will find yourself headed this way for some r&r. don't bother bringing a guitar. i have a few that will probably feel familar, and jam with us.
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Location: SE Michigan | To Russ, we will probably just do a few coffee house type gigs, maybe a party or something here or thier. Again it's just a hobby, but it is a lot of fun.
To Leslie, nobody deserves 5 slugs in the face for expressing even unpopular ideas.
Should Steven Segal, Arnold Schwartzenegger , Clint Eastwood also be shot for making violent movies? Didn’t John Lennon compose “Happiness is a warm Gun?
Sometimes I think I would like to see the promoters of violent video games meet some of their most loyal deranged young customers in a dark parking lot one night as well, but this kind of thinking just adds to the madness.
People in this country need to face the fact that there are a lot of crazy people out there, and short of Hitler-style fascism there is nothing we can do about them. Most would agree that the number of crazies is growing, the real question becomes; do you want the crazies to have guns? |
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Location: SoCal | Actually, the real question is "Do you want only the crazies to have guns?" In England, they took away all guns from law abiding citizens and violent crime has sky rocketed. In the U.S., in states where people can get concealed carry permits, violent crime has dropped.
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Location: SE Michigan | The problem with guns as a self defense argument is that not everybody will be capable of owning or defending themselves with a gun. Was Dimebag supposed to be packin heat as he ripped off lead solos? What about the dozen-odd students at Columbine cowering under desks in the library, while Dillian Kliebold and Eric Harris walked from desk to desk popping off rounds under the tables. One of those kids had cerebral palsey and was severely disabled. Do you expect these kids to defend themselves with their own gun? Get real. What about the Wisconsin Deer Hunters? They were armed with high-powered rifles and still eight of them died.
Again I don’t begrudge you the right to own a gun, but dammit there has to be some sanity and some safety mechanisms to at least try to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics. And if that inconvienices gun owners a bit, too bad. Nobody seems to mind all the bullshit required to own a car. And I realize that a few crazies will allways manage to get through, but I would prefer to have at least a few less crazies running around with guns.
Also I suspect that the 100,000 crimes prevented with guns is a myth, where does that statistic come from? There have been over 30,000 fatalities in the U.S. in each of the last four years due to gun crimes, not to mention hundreds of thousands of suicides and injuries resulting in ruined lives. And Americans are pissed off about 3000 lives lost on 9/11? |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Point of order:
Lennon's Happiness is a warm gun, should not be taken literally. It was not about a gun, it was about ... oh never mind ... Bang Bang Shoot Shoot. |
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Location: south east Michigan | It's a shame that both sides of the gun control issue have to be so radical in the debate. A common sense solution lies somewhere in the middle.
There was a time when there was no such thing as a speed limit law. As society evolves, corrective measures are sometimes needed. Even in such a freedom loving country as the U.S. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | There are speed limits on the roads? Is that why everyone drives so slow? |
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Location: south east Michigan | Quote W2: "You mean there are speed limits on the roads?"
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by Brian T:
To Leslie, nobody deserves 5 slugs in the face for expressing even unpopular ideas.
Should Steven Segal, Arnold Schwartzenegger , Clint Eastwood also be shot for making violent movies? Didn’t John Lennon compose “Happiness is a warm Gun?
In most movies by the folks you mentioned, they're the "good guys" who get the "bad guys." I can count on one hand the ones in which the "bad guys" win. In gansta rap, the "bad guys" consistently win... that's a major difference, and it represents an enormous paradigm shift that does not bode well for society.
And Lennon's "warm gun" was his penis.
I never said he deserved what he got. I said "You reap what you sow" and if you're going to get rich and famous SELLING violence, be prepared to die that way, and don't be surprised when only a handful that knew you were a big phony, what a "wonderful person you really were, etc. etc.") cry.
In my book, hypocrites that promote and push violence and don't partake are worse than those that live it, because it's our kids getting shot in the streets, not theirs.
Maybe everytime this happens it makes some kid somewhere really sit down and think.
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Location: SoCal | Mine is not a "warm gun". It's the Mighty Python of Love!!! aka "Mr. Happy".
We gotta lighten this thread up and talk some guitars. Has anybody remembered that Al is making some sort of announcment of Wednesday? |
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Location: Central Oregon | Am I the only old fart on here that had never heard of this Dopebag Darrel character before this thread started?
re: Guns, I'm with Moody. |
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Location: Midland, MI | I'm not an old fart (at least I don't think so...but maybe that's an indication that I am...huh) and I had no idea who he was, although I have heard the name. I only vaguely recall 'Pantera' (I think I read somewhere that was the first band he was in) but couldn't name any of their songs.
Guns...own several, don't have any problem controlling them...or access *to* them. I submit that society pays more for smoking related issues than firearm related issues (illness, death, etc.). So, ask yourself, why *do* the gubbermint subsidize the tobacco industry? Oh, and yes, I smoke...generally cigars (good Dominican's are like a sore...er, are very good) but occasionally those horrible cigarettes. Just so's nobody goes calling me no hippy-crit.
Python, eh? I've only ever heard 'tree trunk o' love' but...nah, nevermind.
Now, say, I pulled a remote admin/proggy job off and have added a handsome (not) amount to my guitar fund. Anyone have anything intersting for sale? I can resist anything but temptation...
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Location: SoCal | Hold on to your money until Wednesday. Then watch this board.
Talking about old fartism, I stopped buying Guitar Player magazine about 20 years ago when I stopped recognizing who was on the front cover. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Well I guess I resemble the old fart thing.
I never recognized anybody on the cover of Guitar Player, I just bought it for the guitar pictures after I forgot what Playboy and Penthouse were all about.
My wife asked me today if we should buy a gun as we get older and less able to protect ourselves in a home invasion, I say no for now as we might invite the ones we are trying to avoid to break in and steal our gun. A BIG dog still seems like a decent way too discourage intruders, at least the dog won't be abused by a grandchild playing with a gun causing an accidental shooting. I haven't completely ruled it out as I was very impressed by the video of a store clerk banging away at an armed robber winging him and causing him to crawl and beg before he surrended.
Laws against guns, IMHO, are about as effective as laws against the personal use of pot, especially in a nation where many of us are veterans trained in the use of weapons, I was even taught how to impale another person on a bayonet if necessary. Self defense is seldom as pretty as karate movies.
Back to guitars, the reason we are having this discussion is because a guitar player was killed for no reason and it is a concern for the rest of us who play in public.
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Location: SE Michigan | What's all this about "happiness is a warm gun" being about Lennon's penis?
"when I feel my finger around your trigger, I know no one can do me no harm"
Did his penis protect him? Like some kind of super-hero attribute?
If the song was about John's penis he was spending way too much time alone with the thing.
Just curious, the song sure sounds like it's about guns to me. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Brian T:
....If the song was about John's penis he was spending way too much time alone with the thing....
Uh, say, have you *seen* Yoko Ono?
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Isn't her trigger her ... Wait a minute you're pulling my ... chain! |
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Location: Tennessee | "Happiness" was an anti-gun song. Lennon saw a gun magazine with the cover headline "Happiness is a Warm Gun", so he decided to use the line in a "make love, not war" way. By the way, the line is "and I feel my finger ON your trigger".
Acutally, "Happiness" is four little ditties strung together to make one song. The last piece is the one that's being discussed here. The third piece is "Mother Superior jumped the gun". Methinks some here could come up with some seriously twisted thoughts on that one. ;) |
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
The third piece is "Mother Superior jumped the gun". Methinks some here could come up with some seriously twisted thoughts on that one. ;)
And nothing that Lennon didn't already think of, either!
Les
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | Dime's best friend?........
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Funny how there's only 20 of them and last week it was only $300. He also had just ended his relationship with Washburn. |
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Location: south east Michigan | About that e-bay offer.
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Location: Tennessee | Music123 has been running a promotion for a signed Dimebag Darrell guitar (one of the good ones, worth a couple of grand I think) the past month or so. Upon Dime's untimely death, they completely closed the registration, put a heartfelt condolence message up, and stated they would pick a winner at some point in the future from entries already received. Classy outfit. |
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| 1. I had heard of Dimebag but only because of his signature guitars and stuff. I don't suppose it was my kind of music in a thousand years, but what a ridiculous waste of a human life. But, as usual, if you are famous it's a big deal and a terrible tragedy. The truth is that every US, Brit and Iraqi who's died is just as big a loss to humanity and just as big a loss to their loved ones. Who really did more for America - a marine who served his country and made the ultimate sacrifice or some dope-addled millionaire? This celebrity obsessed world is now so far out of kilter I despair of sanity ever getting a look in again.
2. Old Farts. I am obviously one and would like to offer 3 pieces of advice to anybody arriving at that stage of life:-
1 If you get an opportunity to pee, take it.
2 Never trust a fart.
3 If you get an erection use it immediately. You never know when the next one might come along.
3. Guns. Just give the muggers/robbers/burglars your stuff. I'm assuming you didn't go out and kill someone to get it (which would actually make some kind of sense) so why bother to kill someone to keep it? The big dog sounds a better idea to me.
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | i'm sure dimebag will gain much more fame in death as he might have gained through his music. but as woody allen said, "i don't want to gain immortality through my work. i'd rather become immortal by not dying" me too!
senor kaman, i sure hope to get a ride with you someday in that sooper benz. i have been driving the diesels for so long sometime i forget that some speedometers have 3 digit numbers on them.
if anyone wants to do something that makes death seem like a plausible option, deal with the mexican tax department as they try to become part of the computer age. i spent the last two days in the state capitol to do what was supposed to take 2-15 minute appointments. i was one of only 300 businesses that have been successful so far in registering under the new system. the deadline is the end of the month. and then--------? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | de car ees ready anytime, Senior Russ. |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | i can't tell you how much i'd like to do that. i have always been a big fan of something innovative and well made. i guess i wouldn't be posting here if i didn't. someday amigo i just might show up on your doorstep wearing my racing goggles and ready for some g force. the fastest i've gone so far was a sustained 135 in my 70 454 vette on the vallejo cut off in cal. the next morning the car was sitting in the driveway with a flat. i sold it and bought a mercedes 220 diesel. been a slow lane guy since. my son let me use his vette last summer in santa fe and the spark re kindled the old fire. |
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