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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Today I played at a church that is just starting a music program. The director of music there is good guitarist, and he has a really nice Martin D-35. Well today I got to see what can happen when an old Martin comes in contact with a 3 year old boy. We had just got through playing a few numbers before the service, and the director put the D-35 down on its guitar stand. I didn't put my guitar on the stand because I was really keeping an eye on that wild little 3 year old. I turned around to adjust the mixer when I heared a loud kind of thump. When I turned around to see what had happened, the D-35 had a nice jagged hole about two inches below the bridge! Seems the 3 year old boy got hold of a microphone and hit that Martin as hard as he could. I tell you I have never seen someone with such a sick feeling on his face as the director. The 3 year old was crying, the director was yelling at the 3 year old, and I was just standing there holding on tightly to my trusty Ovation. Well to make a long story short, I played the service by myself as the director, the 3 year old, and the Martin went home. I told him I would call him during the week to see how they all were doing! OUCH! :( |
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Location: NJ | back in undergrad school I was playing a ton of coffeehouse and solo acoustic gigs. I have a D 35 that I bought back then and really like. Anyway I was at the school's radio station's folk festival and some bimbo who was into me ( I could not stand her) refused to do her set unless she borrowed my guitar. It was known that I loaned my guitar to NO ONE. Anyway the head of the radio station begged me and I gave up the guitar. The bim did her set and then hopped off the stool on the stage smashing the top of my beloved d 35 into the instrument mic. she put a real nice sized ding in it. I don't think I ever talked to her again, but sometimes wonder what happened to her. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | The discussion today was over how high up to stack platforms for a revised stage. I'm thinking economy when I suggest a lower height to save funds.
The new stage WILL be high enough to prevent the ultrafast-ingenious-mischief-machines from hopping up too easily!
Wall hangers sound good as well.
Thank you Paul for sharing! |
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Location: south east Michigan | Was the director the father of the 3-year old? |
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Location: NJ | . . . not anymore . . . |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I find the older I get the less tolerance I have for screaming undiciplined children. When I was a kid; a. we wouldn't have been running around screaming for more than 10 seconds and stayed alive; b. if this had happened then the youngster wouldn't have been able to sit for a week from the asstanning and would have had his allowance attached for the next 12 years to pay for the repairs.
the good old days. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Allowance? What allowance? When I was a kid, I had to earn money...kind of like I do now. Hated it at the time, resented it for a while, now I understand... |
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Location: Fort worth Texas | I hope that kid was his own, so the guy can take a good look at political correctness.
I would have been livid either way I would have probably went back to prison.
Kids and musical instruments dont mix unless they are well diciplined.
Still, I cant say enough about this....it costs so little to insure your equipment why dont more people do it? I think I pay 30.00 a year for all my stuff, and I have over 13 grand in equipment,... so long as I dont go overseas with it I'm golden. |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | It occurs to me that the first recorded story of Jesus casting out a demon occured in church (a synogogue, actually). In this case it seems to be too late. :eek: |
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Location: Florida | Al, maybe somebody put a nice ding in her top....
As for the 3 year old: cant stand 'em. This is why they have childrens church, daycare, whatever... There's a time and place, ya know? Children who were given everything they wanted by "caring parents" have grown to be totally oblivious to anything as far as respecting how others may feel when their own kids are run amok. Time for the fireproof handbaskets, I guess, cuz it seems like a good portion of society is goin' to hell in one |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | It's amazing how parenting has changed over the years. I see parents making deals with their kids or counting to ten while the kids are running around making fools of them. I personally love kids and I'm hoping to become a parent in the foreseeable future, but I can't stand being around kids who are out of control. The way I see it, parents have to keep their kids under control or get them out of the situation where they are causing a problem. |
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Location: SoCal | Counting to 10??
I was always willing to count to 3. After the first few times of getting to 3, never got beyond 2. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Prevention!
Separate stage, Inaccessable instruments and abstinence! Or, as my first wife practiced - obstinence!
The Adventure Cafe has little signs on posts that say "No Children on stage". They let me up there every week though!
Separate and protect. |
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Location: Fort worth Texas | This past Saturday I had to stiff arm a guy who kept jumping up on the stage trying to sing in my mic.....he was past drunk as hell, even though I was getting pissed I was laughing at him on the inside at what a fool he was making of himself. |
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Location: NJ | I never even really had to "count" . . .
. . . I had/have this "look" that I give (which involves highly "arching" my left eyebrow) while calming saying my daughter's name . . . ALWAYS worked.
Of course, now that my daughter's 19, I'm now "paying" for that . . .
Still in all, just the fact that she had learned proper "restaurant ettiquette" at an early age made worthwile (for EVERYONE involved).
Ill-manner children annoy me . . .
This Summer, Jeanette and I had joined the local Community Pool for the first time. I came away with a great IDEA for a new "pool game":
It's basically plain-old "Marco Polo" . . .
. . . only all of the adults sitting quietly around the outside of the pool are given blindfolds . . . . and b.b. guns . . . . |
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Location: Seattle | Given the circumstances and the fact that it was in church I think it would have been very appropriate and acceptable to "beat the devil" out of the little trike motor. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | It usually does come back to the issue that it isn't the kids fault. It's the F@#@&*^% Yuppie parents that try to "reason" with a screaming tantrum. I recall it only took one really good beating and then it was just the threat of another kept us in line. |
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Location: SoCal | punji stakes or barbed wire - now, that's the ticket :p |
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Location: Converse, Texas | It's amazing how parents will obey their children nowadays, huh? |
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Location: south east Michigan | Raising kids is all to easy for two groups of people. Those who have not yet done it, and those who already have. |
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Location: south of munich, Germany | a few months ago I was watching the following in a supermarket:
In the row before the cashs there was a young lady with her about 3 year old son. The boy treated the man in front of them with his basket. The man turned around.. talked to the mother why she does not tell her boy to stop it. The mother said: "well, I prefer anti-authoritarian education... he is allowed to do what he wants to do"
As a result the boy did not stop to treat the man in front of him... until the man turned around... opened a bottle of milk he had in his basket... und poured it on the head of the boy... the mother just stood there here mouth wide open... and the man said: "well. I had anti-authoritarian education by my parents... I am allowed to do what I want..."
I will never forget the face of the women...*g*
please note... my daughter (becomes 5 next saturday) knows how to behave if there is any instrument around... don't come closer than 1 meter :-) |
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Location: Converse, Texas | Irgendeiner: GREAT story! |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Slipkid:
Raising kids...
See, there's 99% of the problem right there. As a parent, you are not, I repeat NOT supposed to be 'raising kids' or 'raising children.' You are supposed to be raising adults. There is a huge difference in the two approaches.
I know a couple that do the 'redirect their attention' parenting method. I prefer the 'good swat on the a$$' method (I figure the same hand that gives a pat on the back for good can give a swat on the a$$ for bad...keeps it simple). Their kids are biting, hitting, foul-mouthed little hellions and they can't figure out why. I've spanked my boys fewer than a dozen times a piece in their lives (14, 11 and 2...and the 2 year old hasn't gotten to that stage yet) and they know that when I say, 'Do that again and I'll tan your behind' that I mean it. In fact, I generally only have to put a hand on the back of their neck and say their name....quietly (in fact, the quieter the better).
And before some pantywaisted milquetoast says my kids live in fear...no, they don't, they have respect for authority and they understand the concept of boundaries.
Just my $0.02. YMMV, HTH, HAND.
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Location: NJ | don't get me started on yuppie parents that have kids that can do no wrong. Lately I just keep calling the police it is the only thing that they understand. It makes me the bad guy but that is a role in which I am not a stranger. |
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Location: Converse, Texas | Here's one for you. I have had several meetings with the local school district about having the truancy cases seen in our municipal court. One of the statistics is that 75% of all high school students get a FINAL NOTICE that they will appear in court if they skip school again. 75%! The judge and I were the only ones in the room who thought that number was high! :eek: |
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Location: south east Michigan | Okay...I see and understand crusters twist on the term "raising" kids. For as long as they could grasp the terms I have told my boys that my job is to work my way out of the job of being a parent. |
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Location: Central Oregon | Sometimes there's a case to be made for retroactive abortion....
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | All
My wife and I saw a cartoon or something that was like revelation, it showed a parent and a child in the classical confrontation. "Why should I listen to you?" says the child, and the parent answers "Because, I am BIGGER than you."
It comes down to that and it worked for us. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | My wife is a "special ed" teacher and has students with different kinds behavior problems and learning disabilites. It just so happens the she works in a very "well to do" school district. My wife says, almost without fail, that when she meets the parents of these kids, she can see where the problem lies. Both parents are working very long hours in order to pay for their 3 cars, large homes, and all of the other goodies. There's nothing wrong with that, but if that's what they want, they shouldn't have kids. Many of these kids are not getting the attention and discipline that they need. My parents divorced when I was a kid but my father spent more time with me than many dads who lived at home. We're still very close today.
My wife also teaches Sunday school and had a new 4 year old student last week who was throwing a tantrum as his father tried to reason with him for several minutes. She said that the kid was throwing himself on the floor and screaming (sorta like me when I don't get my way). My wife finally asked the father to leave the room, and presto, as soon as the kid saw that the father was gone, my wife was able to calm him down and he was fine for the rest of class. I think that says it all. |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | ...had a friend whose 4-year old daughter threw tantrums... he finally saw the light and when she threw the next one, he calmly took her into the bathroom, opened the shower door, gently placed her inside and turned the cold water on full... never threw a fit again.... and, no bruise marks :eek: |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | If parenting was easy and understood by everyone, all kids would be wonderfully behaved. The point is that parenting is a difficult task whose methods are far from universally agreed upon. It is further complicated by the research-proven fact that not all children respond equally to the same methods.
So, it takes hard work, patience, creativity and maybe some providence or luck.
I did get a laugh from the milk story, though! My point doesn't excuse parents who are idiots. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | An occasional whack on the ass wouldn't hurt either. :p
Oh man, the P.C. police are gonna be after me now. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I like the shower method. The milk should have had some for the mother as well.
Another observation I've had over the years, maybe some of you have seen this too? Black kids, 3-10 years old seem, to be better behaved than the white ones. Most of my experience comes from airports when I was traveling alot or worked there. I attributed this to the fact that maybe those parents weren't "afraid" to hand out the whuppin when needed as opposed to the new age yuppie parents who try "the new softer methods". |
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Location: NC | Can you say butt whipping? That is what I would have gotten! |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Originally posted by Nils:
Sometimes there's a case to be made for retroactive abortion....
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Reminds me of Bill Cosby's talk about raising kids. He warned his brain-dead child "Listen kid, we brought you into this world and we can take you out again! And it doesn't matter to us, we can just make another one that looks just like you" |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Originally posted by alpep:
The bim did her set and then hopped off the stool on the stage smashing the top of my beloved d 35 into the instrument mic. she put a real nice sized ding in it. I don't think I ever talked to her again, but sometimes wonder what happened to her.
I know what happened to her. She moved to Lafayette, Louisiana, got married, and currently has a three year old boy. They all attend church every Sunday. :D |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | The guy was the father of the 3 year old who wacked the Martin D-35 with the microphone. The mother was not there, and I don't know who was going to watch the kid. As soon as I walked in I knew it was going to be a bad situation. That kid was a terror, and no one there told him a thing. Needless to say I won't be playing there anymore. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I blame it all on the mother. |
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Ouch!