Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!
leftovertion
Posted 2004-08-14 7:31 PM (#181057)
Subject: Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!


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I finally settled on some Savarez Super High Tension strings for this nylon string (because of its shorter than standard 25 1/4" scale length); they feel and sound great -

BUT - the B string has a ghost buzz when played open. It sounds like it's coming from the saddle/bridge area (or inside the body). No fretted notes on the B string do this, and the B note played on the G or D strings doesn't buzz.

Anyone have any ideas about what's doing this? I'm thinking about raising the saddle just a little, since it is sitting almost flush with the bridge on the E and B strings. Having said that though, the E string is clear as a bell!

I retied the B string a couple times to see if that would solve it, but so far, no matter what I do, it still buzzes. It's not that noticable most of the time, but it's irritating to know that it's there everytime a B is played (IOW, most people wouldn't notice it, but I DO!).

Thanks for any help!! :confused:
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MWoody
Posted 2004-08-14 9:50 PM (#181058 - in reply to #181057)
Subject: Re: Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!



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A little deja vu review since I have seen this post six or five times.

Tools - inspection mirror, flashlight, socket for pin nuts, cold beer-margarita-glass of rose`.

Look on saddle for firm even seating of the strings.

Check the angle of the nut for straightness across the nut - no rounding of the strings.

Eye the first fret for buzzing/touching

For Straplocks try with and without the strap - the keeper ring can buzz sometimes.

See if the strap button is loose or turns freely - all types.

Push on the Rosette and check for buzz.

Push on the bridge - especially in the pin area - check for buzz.

For older Electronics remove - inspect - retighten or repair - use of superglue, black RTV or contact cement made be needed.

For newer (oval) electronics pop it out, pop it in, pop it out, pop it in and check for the obvious. Check for buzz with the tronics removed.

Secure all wires and holders.

Occasional inside mirror inspections and damp rag mop out is good too.

Set it down and say "I give up" and walk out of the room. When you return there is a good chance it has fixed itself.
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leftovertion
Posted 2004-08-15 1:35 PM (#181059 - in reply to #181057)
Subject: Re: Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!


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Thanks for the suggestions; some apply, some don't (since it has no electronics in it...yet).

What did you mean by this, though:

"Check the angle of the nut for straightness across the nut - no rounding of the strings."

Did you mean is the nut sitting completely perpendicular in the nut slot? Seems to be; it's snug enough that it doesn't fall out, and as I said, it is very low on the treble end - there is about 1/16" above the bridge under the B and E strings.

Also, it's been able to "sit" for awhile, and it's still there, but I've noticed that when I play with proper fingerstyle technique (picking "up" with my finger/nail) it doesn't buzz, but when I'm picking wiht the flesh of my thumb, I still get a little of the buzz (same with a pick), more the harder I pick. So it's at least tolerable for now...maybe it will go away on its own (or I'll just keep compensating ... we lefties are good at that).

Thanks again.
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an4340
Posted 2004-08-15 1:45 PM (#181060 - in reply to #181057)
Subject: Re: Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!


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The old b string didn't do this? Did you try putting the old sting back on?
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MWoody
Posted 2004-08-15 4:14 PM (#181061 - in reply to #181057)
Subject: Re: Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!



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RE:"Check the angle of the nut for straightness across the nut - no rounding of the strings."

Nut is flat and securely in. Strings go flat across the nut - no high (nut slot too thin) or real low (nut slot too wide- especially at the opening) spots for the string. Too wide of a nut slot at the opening and it will buzz.

The last problem I had was the retainer on my Straplock buzzing to a "B#". I addes some material to the area.
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Nils
Posted 2004-08-15 10:32 PM (#181062 - in reply to #181057)
Subject: Re: Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!


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"The last problem I had was the retainer on my Straplock buzzing to a "B#"."

I don't know much (at all) about music theory but I thought there were no sharps or flats between B & C. (Or E & F)

/\/\/
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grrroovedude
Posted 2004-08-16 5:35 AM (#181063 - in reply to #181057)
Subject: Re: Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!


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That is B#orreb#t. But maybe this will b#lear things up a bit. Theoretib#ally the B b#an be raised with a half step to C. So B# would be C. B# is the intelleb#tual way of saying C i guess.


*Of course real intellectuals would have written my message as:

"That is (B#)orr(Fb)(B#)t. (Cb)ut may(Cb)(Fb) this will (B#)l(Fb)ar things up a (Cb)it.
Th(Fb)or(Fb)ti(B#)ally th(Fb) B (B#)an b(Fb) rais(Fb)d with a hal(E#) st(Fb)p to C. So B# would (Cb)(Fb) C. B# is the int(Fb)ll(Fb)(B#)tual way o(E#) saying C i gu(Fb)ss."


Thank god i'm not one of them.*


Goodlu(B#)k solving the (Cb)uzz.


Martin
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MWoody
Posted 2004-08-16 7:58 AM (#181064 - in reply to #181057)
Subject: Re: Help! Found right strings for 1124, but what's this buzzing?!



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(Voice over of Rodney Dangerfield :) "I don't get no respect!"

Considering I learned that the Letter"R" was not a vowel when I moved from the Right Coast to the Left Coast I thought I had control of my consonents. Sometimes my vowels act up though.

B# is the B string on a Sears Guitar that refuses to stay in tune. Duh!
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