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Location: SoCal | Just got in an Adamas II from eBay (World Music of Nashville.) Several major disclosure problems on this one, besides no case. Strike on binding (about 1/2 from end pin and OP-24) breaking a small portion - that I can live with. However, in same area on top, several black spots where finish chipped off (probably in a fall breaking the binding.) It's a -7 so black is obvious. Anyone do similar repair? Rest of guitar is very nice. By the way, unless World Music answers my two emails by tomorrow, it will be their first negative feedback. I had actually called them prior to bidding and they described the guitar as "moderate wear."
Serge is looking at an Adamas I with a decent size crack in the top...can this be fixed at the factory? |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Tony,
Best way to find out is call Customer Service. I would imagine they could repair it, but one phone call would provide a more accurate answer for you.
Kim could tell you.. Give him a call. |
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Location: Scotland | That store is a couple of blocks from my buddy Bob Cheevers in Belle Meade. Bob gave me the impression that they don't have a great reputation. I was in there last summer, very unintersting inventory & brain-dead staff. The Mexican restaurant a few doors down was a much better experience. Go get'em, and don't take no for an answer. |
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Location: SoCal | They claim to be the largest independent dealer; also the largest Taylor dealer in the area...that alone should have made me wary.
www.worldmusicnashville.com |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | You WERE warned, the signs are there! |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | It almost seems to be SOP on selling guitars on eBay to hide problems. I'm 0-for-2 on them. No more eBay guitars unless I know the seller.
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Location: SoCal | So far, haven't had a problem with an OFC'er - direct or on eBay. Speaks well for our group. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Tony,
Sorry this turned out to be a bad deal for you.
If you got a good price ..you might want to let Kim at Customer Service do the repair for you.
But I still wouldn't let the seller escape the fact that he gave you a bad description of the product. If they are not willing to make it right,
leve negative feedback, keep the guitar and have it repaired. It might turn out to be your favorite guitar, who knows? |
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Location: SoCal | $760 for an Adamas II, almost no fret wear, great player - won't be a bad deal. If necessary, will blend some paint to cover the black spots. Got enough cases around.
Not sending the guitar back but not letting them off of the hook. It's just unfortunate when you actually call and ask the questions.
Nice match with the Adamas I 6-str, Adamas I 12-str, and this one - all same finish. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I'm curious how you're going to paint the top. Are they giving you a rebate? |
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Location: SoCal | Heck, they haven't even answered my emails although there was a sweet letter inside the box saying email auctions@worldmusicnashville.com and we will do our best to make it right!" Sent an email tonight to Mike Folsom, signator of the letter.
These are small, almost like small black spots - finish chipped. Should be able to combine a light green, cream, white, lighter yellow, and grey to match it. This is of course, unless the factory can give me a small vial of -7. I would be happy if it was matched, doesn't need to be perfect. In a playing position, arm covers it anyway. They should come up with a case or a $ offset. |
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Location: Toronto, Canada | Tony:
Hope you get your Adamas repaired the way you like it.
Looks like we both got similar E-bay deals.
My body was in very good shape overall, but the neck had significant fretwear and fingerboard divots on the first 3 frets. I 'm refretting mine and just pulled the frets tonight. Next will level and fill the fingerboard. I'm real happy with it, though.
Good luck with yours!
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| Tony,
"You WERE warned, the signs are there!"
Everyone can see the blemishes in the pix. Besides, did you ever ask the seller questions? He was honest & told me all of the issues.
You pay what you get. $760 is quite reasonable. Ask Al how much you need to pay for one in mint condition. |
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I called the individual at the company who listed it and was responsible prior to placing my bid. This was after two emails were not answered. Very detailed questions. Note the picture is of the top, the pre-amp, etc., but no closeup of the damage to either the binding or the finish. I did ask about the top, the bridge, etc. He continued to say "moderate wear." In fact, I mentioned how I had sent an Adamas I direct from the seller to the factory - asked him if he felt that it needed a little TLC, he said no. The guitar came with a case new. Although I should have asked, unlike most sellers who state that there is no case or the case is chip board, there was no mention of the case. Sure, should have asked about the case.
Please note that the chip to the binding and the chips to the top, whether noticed now in hindsight, did not warrant a separate picture or description...not moderate wear but damage.
Bottom line - I got a great guitar for a very good price. However, I also experienced lack of appropriate disclosure from a seller. It is the seller's responsibility to create a word picture of the item, backed up by pictures.
Note that they have not answered two emails since I rec'd the guitar yesterday. Sorry, at this point, I would recommend any OFC'er stay away from them.
However, if I wanted to dump on the seller, it would be a separate post.
This post was in reference to repair of a textured top's finish. |
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| The BIG picture in the ad does show the binding problem & the black spots due to paint chipped off the top. I noticed the problems & asked the seller. He confirmed & was quite honest in the email exchange.
Just a little touch-up paint can cover the 2-3 tiny spots & the small binding issue. Seriously, it is unrealistic to expect a guitar of this age to be in mint condition under $1000.
The seller gave you a NEW hardshell case though the ad did not say it would come with any hard case. Even if it came with a case, it could be in bad shape. You should be happy.
Life is short. Be content with what you have. You already got many great deals on eBay, e.g. a few $350-400 Custom Legend in near mint condition. This Adamas deal is not as bad as you think. |
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We're losing the intent of this post. Originally to solicit advice from anyone who has had this problem with chips on the top. Not even trying to hide the chips - just match the finish somewhat. Chip on binding - would have liked to know (did ask) but it won't bother me. Easy to darken the broken edge.
This came with no case. There has been no response to my nice but specific emails after delivery...I plan on touching it up and keeping it - again, the posting was how to touch up the top, do have a call into Kim. Heck, I can get a case from Al. Already asked him the price. Plus, cases are the storage problem as I have the guitars on the wall or stand.
I had planned to go considerably higher based on the verbal description - guess I was lucky because it is a good deal for the guitar I rec'd. Pristine is about $1,500-1,600. Heck, paid $2,000 for Choate's 12-str Adamas I.
Only in response to other messages, I have a problem with the disclosure as I did seek out the information by calling.
So, I have a great guitar in same finish of the other Adamas I 6-str and the Adamas I 12-str. Wonderful to experience the Adamas I, the Adamas II, and the CVT (Millennium) that I got from Woz. I will be able to make the minor repairs. I would not recommend the seller unless they upgrade their written description, detailed pictures of the damaged areas, and give better verbal response when asked. Possible that we talked to different staff.
So, any ideas on type of paint? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Tony, Take your guitar to the cosmetics department and find nail polish to match it. Sounds crazy, but seriously this is what I did on one of mine. Found a nice blue with gold speckles that matched perfectly. It cost me about $5. |
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Location: NJ | ". . . I feel "pretty", . . . . . . oh, so "pretty" . . . " |
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Location: SoCal | Thanks, actually not a bad idea.
Compliments of my wife, I already have a bottle of gloss and mat (no-shine) clear polish in my repair box, along with several shades of the furniture blend sticks. May not completely match the finish but seals the scratch/chip and makes it "almost" a match. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Posted By Cliff:
I feel "pretty", . . . . . . oh,so "pretty" . . . "
So does Kim Keller!
Uh, oh did I really Say That! :eek: |
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Location: SoCal | Got a couple of serious suggestions as to repair of chips in the top. Nail polish was impractical due to finding colors, even if mixed.
What worked was porcelin touch-up glaze that you would use for a tub or sink. Looks pretty darn good. Took it in to show my wife, she couldn't find where the damage had been. If it chips down the road, can touch it up easily. I can darken the chips in the binding. Must have had a bad fall.
Seller is slow on communication but, to his credit, has asked "...how we could make amends with you on this purchase." His opinion is that new Ovations do not come with cases (maybe some on the lower end.) Because of that, he didn't think it would need disclosure that there wasn't a case. I have asked for the value of a used case ($70) as an offset. I will invest in a new case from Al either way. We'll see.
Either way, I'm happy. Four great examples of Adamas design and craftsmanship: Adamas I 6-str and 12-str, Adamas II, and the Millennium (CVT.) |
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Location: Toronto, Canada | Tony:
Glad it worked out. You have a good Adamas collection going!
What was the brand of touch-up porcelain glaze you used? My blue top has a couple of spots needing repair too.
Thanks,
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I guess it's a question of where you want to go to get the repair material, a Hardware store of the Ladies Cosmetics Counter. Hummmm...... need to give that some thought. |
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Location: SoCal | Porc-a-Fix that I got at Home Depot, appeared to mix/blend nicely. |
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Location: Toronto, Canada | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
Porc-a-Fix that I got at Home Depot, appeared to mix/blend nicely.
Thanks, Tony. Will try it.
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Tony,
Glad it all worked out for you and that the seller is communicating. That's a big Plus. If he'll give you $70 then you can use it towards the purchase of a case from Al.
Wait a minute....you already said that!!
Either way, it's great news. |
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