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Location: Monroe, Ohio (Cincinnati) | Hi all,
Is it poor form to try all the Ovations at guitar stores and then buy what you like through ebay or from someone over the Internet?
Since most stores have Internet commerce also, I don't really have a problem doing this.
Also, when you go into the store, you give them a chance to hook you with something you can't leave without.
It would be interesting to get not only buyer's opinions, but also opinions from those of you in music retail.
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Location: NJ | You should buy from whomever makes you happy. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Nope no problem. I live in NYC and if you're not a shrewd shopper you will be ripped off. Guaranteed. That said you have to trust the person you're buying from. Make yourself smart about what you want to buy. There's no guarantee you won't be ripped off, but you'll know you did you're best. You're community standards will be different. An educated consumer is the best customer. |
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Location: SoCal | Complicated question...for cars, will give the dealer where I have test driven models the 1st opportunity. I test drive from a dealer that would give me the best after-sale service. Yet, if they won't give me a reasonable deal, I'll check out other dealers. After warranty, my long term mechanic will get the service (since 1984.)
Guitars are different...for me, I look at how I can support those that support me...in Portland, Oregon in late 70's and early 80's, I had a guitar store where I bought my instruments. Maybe not the best price, before internet, but a strong relationship. Got an inexpensive ($20) but great setup on the 1658 today from Moze Guitars in San Diego, will do everything I can to support them on the luthier/tech/parts side. Al has been very supportive of this board and me - both of the older models and new ones, in addition to answering some of my stupid questions. In addition, I haven't seen better new prices than what Al has offered me. Can't play them first because I am in San Diego but no one else had the guitars. As to the Custom Legend 30th Anniversary, I believe I was the first non-dealer to receive one. Fortunately, we have the feedback from others on the board and the consistency from the factory. US made Ovation, know I will like it. Can't say that for some of the other factories.
Does an internet or Guitar Center (GC) deserve my guitar purchase? Usually can't beat the price or speed of delivery from Al.
To date, I have never played a guitar at GC - lack of inventory and sensory overload. As to Ovations and Adamas, their inventory consists of Celebs or old strings on last year's Legend. Sure, I buy some strings and guitar stands/racks from GC but I doubt if I will buy an Adamas or Ovation from them. They just got the 30th Anniv Custom Legend in last week (end of production was mid February, still no 1777 LX Legend.) Have never seen an Adamas at GC. And, do their salesman care? In May, I asked their lead salesman about the LX - said one was coming in but didn't know which one, then said "Check back later, Dude." Last week I asked general questions about the LX - gee, sorry I bothered them (wasn't sure if it was because they hadn't had their coffee or lack of knowledge.)
You have a different experience locally, great-support them. If you have my experience, try to find a guitar to play or ask others, then check with Al.
To Al, it is an instrument, to others a unit of sale.
Think about this, Al is coming all of the way out here next week for the SoCal get-together. Not bad. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Mark, more importantly, there is enough variation within models on sound, that you have no assurance that the one that arrives on your porch will sound like the one you liked at GC or elsewhere. I buy at the stores within driving distance here; then I know what I am getting.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It would be unethical to playtest at one shop and purchase at another (or online). Same goes for downloading music and movies from the internet and photocopying sheet music. I would never do this. |
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Location: Monroe, Ohio (Cincinnati) | StandingO,
I agree with you about downloading recordings and copying sheet music. (Except the P&W music books I buy at Franciscan Univ. in Steubenville which grant you the priviledge to make copies for your Worship band for non-profit use.
However, isn't going to a store to window shop for guitars kind of like going on one of those free 3 day, 4 night vacations so the salespeople can show you the time shares and try to sell you one.
I would think this would be the reasoning the stores use to allow people to play the guitars without obligation to buy.
This again is a fallout issue of increased Internet use, by more and more people, that is forcing everyone to look at the way they approach business.
If stores suffer too badly at the hand of internet sales, they might change the policy of letting you play guitars at the store without obligation. I believe most stores, however, have taken the route of having their own Web Sites and commerce to do the, if you can't beat 'em - join 'em thing.
My intent in bringing this up, is that I am still formulating my own opinions on this subject. I thought this would be an interesting discussion to get lots of opinions from many different points of view.
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Location: NJ | ". . the music store didn't have 20 Ovations for me to choose from? . . ."
Does anyone but me find it "odd" that a music store on the outskirts of New Hartford would have only 3-4 Ovations.
. . . but then again, I wonder how many liquor stores in Golden, CO make a real living selling Coors . . :rolleyes: |
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Location: Vernon, CT | Having done many customer service surveys and statistical analyses in my job what people want is "respect" and to be treated like they are important. There is a quote from a customer service book that says "Treat the customer like they are going to die at midnight!" Sounds strange but when you think about it you would show a preson a lot of respect in that incidence.
A total turnoff for me and a wrong sales approach is when some young kid assaults you at the door and says "may I help you." WRONG or follows you around. I walk out the door.
Yes, we all want the best deal but customer service and qulaity product have become seamless (all in one) which is why I by Ovations and from Al P. Play on!
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| I guess it seems to me this is the whole purpose of having a guitar shop? it is to sell to those who want to see and play what they buy?
I like the internet it has opened up the market for me completely! I have been after some fairly rare and collectable Ovations and Rickenbackers for a while? I found them all through the computer so far. The only downside is I "HATE" sending guitars through the mail! and I dislike not being able to actually play the guitar and see first hand what it looks like before I send a few thousand dollars cross country?
So I guess the guy who has a store has the inventory hanging there so it can be "Gently" handled and tried out?
I sure wish I could find the guitars I am after locally? OOh well? Randy |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | Al,
Cases of Coors or Ovation guitars? :D :eek: :rolleyes: :cool:
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Location: SoCal | Lisa:
Music stores carry what they think they can sell, based upon their experience. Not every store, regardless of their proximaty to the factory is going to carry Ovations. Once again, this is not good for Ovation's p.r. |
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Location: Toronto, Canada | I agree with John Lawrence that respect for the customer (actually, mutual respect between the customer and the seller) is important.
I am courteous to the salespeople and handle guitars with care.
As a customer I would like to be treated with courtesy; I don't expect to be teated as "important", just with common courtesy. When that is the case I do my best to support the store, whether it be buying strings or buying guitars.
In my experience, however, that rarely happens. I suppose that's understandable for stores that have to deal with volume in terms of customers. I don't go at peak times and I don't bother the salespeople when they are swamped.
However, my impression is that good treatment mostly reserved local "celebrities", friends, or "insiders", or conversely, neophytes with money to spend. Others are treated with aloofness or downright disdain.When that happens I walk out and take my business elsewhere.
I rarely try out guitars in stores for that reason. I try not to approach the salespeople unless I am absolutely sure of what I want and intend to buy. Not worth the aggravation.
Having said that, I have also met some great people whom do credit to their music stores and the retail business. Just not enough of 'em.
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Location: NJ | "........just about had it with the dummies book...."
NOW she's GETTING it!!!
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I, for one absolutely refuse to buy a reference book that is tailored for "Dummies" (with the exception of "Know your Volkswagen - the Compleat Guide for the Compleat Idiot" circa. 1975).
TOSS the book! (and stay here)
Acoustic Guitar Magazine www.acousticguitar.com
also has a "Beginners" section on their Message Board that is quite informative (and is shared by people just like you).
Ovations are somewhat "pooh-poohed" by the eliteist, wood-guitar purist cogniscente (many of which you'll find on the aforementioned url . . so . . keep the "O" word to yourself :-) because they don't see Ovations in the same vein as the traditional "box" guitar. Their problem.
Too bad. You like it? PLAY it!
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by alpep:
I have 20 in stock at all times but I am a mailorder business.
Any O jazzboxes? I think they were the Thunderhead, but what do I know? Breadwinners? If I don't find an O to sate my GAS, soon, I'm going to have to break down and buy that Ron Wood Tele... :) |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by cliff:
[QBI, for one absolutely refuse to buy a reference book that is tailored for "Dummies" (with the exception of "Know your Volkswagen - the Compleat Guide for the Compleat Idiot" circa. 1975).
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Is that the one with the cool cartoons, witty insights, and was written by John Muir? I still have a (dogeared, oil stained) copy somewhere. Memories... |
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Location: NC | I did the ole guitar shop looking to find it elsewhere for cheaper. I did not feel guilty due to fact I told the owner that I was just shopping and looking for the best deal............loyalty set aside for your local merchant, well if you can't sell it for same or cheaper then I would be crazy to buy from you. I do matting and framing on the side and undercut the stores all the time because they mark up so much a man ca't get a deal. I make a few bucks and so the customer gets a great framing and mat job for almost 50% off retail stores.....we all win.
I am a value shopper and spend hours online and at stores to get the hopefully lowest deal to get. I recently tried out the Elite LX at my local and found it cheaper online which also included the hard shell case that the local was not sure he wanted to give in to.
Sorry, but I look for the deal or steal in some cases.........$$$ for the working man is too hard to come by to piss it away!
Bottom line........."If you can't compete then take a leap!"
I like loyalty but don't piss down my back in the sunshine and tell me it's raining when I know theres a better deal to be had.
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Location: NJ | ". . I still have a (dogeared, oil stained) copy somewhere . . ."
Wanna sell it?? |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | All in all, it’s a game that GC has taken into consideration. Out of ten people who walk into the store, GC knows they will only sell something to X percent of them. When it comes down to it, they have a thriving business despite all who try but don’t buy. If you don’t buy it, someone else will...eventually. But I think it’s fair to consider the time you take of a helpful and knowledgable salesperson and include that against whatever amount of money you might save somewhere else. They may just have saved you a bundle in experiential guidance alone (if you get a good salesperson-good luck).
I think the key is to be educated (through the net) about the item you want and pricing BEFORE you go into a store. That's what I try to do most of the time because a guitar or expensive gear is an important investment to me and I don’t have time or cash to waste. I've actually gone into GC with a print out from ebay or another dealer and said, "Look, I can get this new, including shipping, for less than what you're selling it for, can you match it?" Often they can or will, if only to build your loyalty. Or they may throw something else in ‘at cost’ to make up for the difference.
In addition, I do make it a policy that if a salesperson spends time with me, I get his card with his working hours on it, and I WILL return and seek him out to make a purchase so he gets the commission. When I do build a rapport with a salesman I trust, I will try to swing my business his way even if he can’t always get the best price...it’s give and take and the reward is definitely there.
All that said...my newest guitar is on order with AL.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | W2, Please call me Shirley more often, that was fun. About the question first posted here - geez can't anyone take a joke? As long as GC is going to leave lots of non-O guitars laying out there with rusted strings on them, I'm sure as hell going to play test them and them go elsewhere or online to purchase. This is America, damn it. Shameless plug for Al, I recently made my first purchase from him and it was smooth, sweet and painless. But it was still more fun when Bill called me Shirley. |
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | Here in Alaska we only have a couple guitar stores and they are not usually stocked as well and anything I have seen in the lower 48. What I do is try to shop and audition guitars locally, then give the local dealer the first shot at making me a deal as close to the best price I found elseware (internet usually). If they can get anywhere near I will buy from them, otherwise I purchase online and hope for the best on the "sight unseen" guitar. |
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Location: south east Michigan | My local guy got a sale mainly because of what he was willing to inventory. I had been lurking around for months playing what they had and waiting for the LX. When the day came and I was about to special order one he said, "hey Matt...get that Al Dimeola out of the backroom and let this guy try it". It's like it was meant to be. Suddenly there was a bond tighter than a spruce top to a bowl. That guitar was like a little puppy that just could not be left in the shop.
Yeah...it was an emotional buy.
On the practical side, I did get a good deal which was later confirmed by some after the fact shopping. Also, these are the guys running the open mic nights that have been so enjoyable.
So as long as the price difference is not huge (like within a couple percent), I'll get my gear from them. I think they earned it.
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Location: Omaha | The two larger guitar stores in my area (Omaha) are BOTH usually willing to meet Musician's Friend, etc., prices on their gear...they know it's the only way to stay in business.
They are knowledgeble and helpful, and I've never heard any of their sales people steering a novice into a sale with misrepresentation ("hype") about a piece of gear. They try to help young players (and their parents standing behind them with the checkbooks) understand exactly what they're going to be getting if they're buying a starter instrument.
We had a Marrs Music here in town for awhile, and it didn't destroy these other stores because they have a good reputation and treat the customer right; novice, friend, pro - doesn't seem to matter. Makes me feel good about keeping most of my dollars at home. |
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Location: RI. That small State out East | I "work" when I'm at "my" guitar center.
I know I "helped" sell an Elite LX for $1049.00 today.
When on the road... I pass the lonely nights (do you hear the music building in the background)I tune guitars and BS with the "new" guy. I tell them "I'm out of town..."
I know I've handed a "O" to a stranger at least 20 times... Try this one it's sweet.
No guilt. I buy strings. My kid the drummer is in the hundreds on gear. I do help sell guitars.
I visit 3 times a month... Maybe more.
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Location: NJ | We need to get Woz a black raincoat with an Ovation logo on the back . . .
Then he can be like that guy on the cellular service commercials. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I don't know why it is but the stores in CT have never really carried Ovations. Maybe in the early days people could get seconds easily and backdoor the retailer. To whatever degree that existed, it ended 30 years ago.
It reminds me of the story of a dealer who was being hasseled by a kid for the mail order price on something. The guitar was 500 and the kid was saying I can get it for 400. Dealer replies that here you get a set up, an extra set of strings, and a check up in 30 days. Kid keeps whining and so the dealer says OK, I'll give you the mail order price. Kid says great I'll take that red one. Dealer says No your red guitar is in the back room, last box on the left, go get it and take the box so I don't have to clean up after you, do your own set up and buy your own strings and don't come back here if there are any problems.
Things have changed some. Dealers are more responsive and the mailorder(internet) is more customer friendly. Bottom line, buy where ever you get exactally what you want. You decide how much that set up, extra set of strings and 30 day checkup are worth to you. |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | Lisa:
I am curious about Al though
...many people are! :rolleyes:
Seriously, Al Pepiak (one of the Originators for this site) www.lostartvintage.com is one of the most honest, reliable, straightforward dealers I know. I (and many others) have acquired expensive guitars from him sight-unseen based soley on his recommendations/experience and have not been disappointed. His prices are usually below those found elsewhere.
When I'm ready to buy my dream Adamas, there is absolutely no doubt that I'll buy it from Al :D
...if you need more convincing, consider this: He is unashamedly a Teletubbie Fan (some have called him the 5th Teletubbie!) :D :D :D |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | He has great shirts, especially the mauve one.
Also the new series was named after him aLeX. That's where the LX came from, it is not a smallmindedcan'tthinkofanythingoriginaltosavemyass marketing ripoff of the Chrysler and Honda model names |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Yes, it's called a rosette.
Yes, Al is a great dealer (and there are others).
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Ford used to use LX, too, cwk2.....they decided to go to names like "Limited" and "Premium"....
Lisa, Al is one of the moderators of this site, and although I have not purchased from him, he is undoubtedly the best option for buying an O other than at a local shop(where you can buy the one you play). The "shameless plugs" here are based on happy experiences!!!!
Yes, the ring around the sound hole is called a rosette, no matter what brand of guitar it is. The leaf decorations around the sound holes on an Adamas are called epaulettes(hope I spelled it right).
It's amazing that your "dummies" book did not mention Adamas as one of the "25 guitars you must know" or whatever that was. They are among the most unique and wonderful-sounding guitars ever made.
In case you have not run across it yet, Adamas is Ovation's top line of guitars. The tops are made of a sandwich of carbon fiber with a thin layer of birch. They have a wonderful even sound.
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Tim Chapman:
Seriously, Al Pepiak (one of the Originators for this site) www.lostartvintage.com is one of the most honest, reliable, straightforward dealers I know. I (and many others) have acquired expensive guitars from him sight-unseen based soley on his recommendations/experience and have not been disappointed. His prices are usually below those found elsewhere.
And, for a bit of trivia, he just did an interview for Guitar Digest with Jack Zucker, author of 'Sheets of Sound.'
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Location: Toronto, Canada | Lisa:
I purchased an Adamas from Al, and it was a smooth and pleasant transaction. I ordered on a Tuesday, and the guitar was in my hands by Fri!
No worries here.
Good luck to you.
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Old Applause Owner:
Yes, the ring around the sound hole is called a rosette, no matter what brand of guitar it is. The leaf decorations around the sound holes on an Adamas are called epaulettes(hope I spelled it right).
The epaulettes aren't just on the Adamas...they're on the Elite, too!!!
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Join the 'Elites Are Wood Adamas And Just As Good!' movement...send your donations (cash or non-Elite Ovations) to 'EAWA2JAG' c/o Cruster |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | Lisa,
Take a look in my Gallery at my 2001 Collector's Redwood top.... Epaulettes? Some folks call them "angel Wings" ;) |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | Lisa,
It's a Scottish cow....
Try this:
2001 Collector's Redwood |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | You're welcome :)
I agree and it sounds just as good (in spite of how I play)! :cool: by the way, I think Al may still have some of these in his closet.... www.lostartvintage.com... see #92 under the Instruments section ;) |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Elite and Adamas are for men? Well yes but certainly not exclusively! Like that T-shirt that says "BEER, it's not just for breakfast anymore" Anyone can play and enjoy these. You better try one when you're at the faccory. And then when you're confused with that tell them you wnat to play one of those old slothead Adamas guitars. My three are out there. That will get you really confused as to what you will want. It's fun though. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Lisa:
Regardless, I'll give the link to my husband, although, from this fan club, I think you guys give the impression that the Elite & Adamas are guitars for men. That's an expensive impression....like three or four times more than my Balladeer. Hmmmmm. I'll need to think about this one.
Thanks,
Lisa
Gosh, I hope *I* haven't contributed to the impression that Elites are solely and exclusively 'for men!' And they don't have to be expensive...I only paid slightly more for my Elite (used) than some of the Balladeers go for on eBay. Of course, *after* I bought it, I found Al's site and discovered I might have been able to do better, but...such is life.
W-2: I've been reading your posts and other posts which reference you for a couple of months or more now, and I get the impression you are, or were, somehow involved with Ovation. Maybe it's none-'o-my-bidnez, but what's the connection? I'm just curious and mebee there are some other lurkers/new-bz here that wonder as well but are too intimidated by all you old timers to ask.
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Location: south east Michigan | CWK2.
Hey...old timer...do you need some help or anything sir?
oh..and how is the hip doing?
and the knees...is there a storm a-comin'? :D :D
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Location: NJ | I've often found that when I want to know something, it's best (and often alot more fun) to just do some rudimentary "detective work" (hell, if someone like Moody can make a LIVING at it, it should be a "breeze" for the rest of us:-)
It's been mentioned numerous times before but, . . procure a copy of Walter Carter's "History of the Ovation Guitar". It really SHOULD be "required reading" here (and I'm sure if Hal Leanord keeps consistently selling copies, it'll STAY in "reprint" :-).
"Seek and All Answers Shall Become Clear To You, My Son"
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Lisa:
So sorry....try again?
Rejuvenatrix (late 80s, I think)? Or perhaps, Death Becomes Her (early 90s?)??
Am I right? What do I win?!
Cliff-
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Tim...that's a beautiful guitar |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Lisa:
No Cruster...it was Logan's Run with Farrah Faucet (possibly before your time....). No prize.
Ooh, I was so close (not). Before my time, eh? If you say so, I'll go along with ya...
I barely recall the Lee Majors-Farah Fawcett era at all...er, maybe that's not the best wya to phrase that...
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- soundtrack by the recently deceased (and previously mentioned in another thread) Jerry Goldsmith. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | That was not Farrah in "Logan's Run", that was Jenny Agutter. My wife and I saw the movie in the theatre when we were dating(July 1976)....it was actually a tiny bit before Farrah became famous. There may be some confusion with the movie "Saturn 3" that Farrah WAS in.
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Old Applause Owner:
That was not Farrah in "Logan's Run", that was Jenny Agutter. My wife and I saw the movie in the theatre when we were dating(July 1976)....it was actually a tiny bit before Farrah became famous. There may be some confusion with the movie "Saturn 3" that Farrah WAS in.
Roger
Actually, FF-M was in Logans Run (the movie, not the tv thing) as Holly. It was right about the time that she became 'Farah Fawcett-Majors,' IIRC, but preceded her rising stardom. What she has become (as evidenced by the last couple of times I saw her on Letterman) is a far cry from what she was. I suppose there are few who survived the '70s completely unscathed, though. :)
Then again, as Lisa so kindly pointed out...it may all have been before my time. HEHEHEH! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | You would think that the New Hartford library would have a copy of the book! Oh well, maybe they don't know about the factory on the other side of the river.... |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | DOH!!!! Right you are, Cruster....she wasn't the lead actress, but she was in it. I remember that now. I need to rent the movie and watch it again!!!!
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| Im Sorry everyone I fell asleap! what were we talking about?
Lisa looks like you have a couple of real nice Ovations. Play them and enjoy. Don't worry about the Multi sound holes? It's all a personal preference anyway. I have heard an old Martin Guitar that has a really fantastic sound. This sound I do not think I could recreate with My Ovations, ever? But My Adamas's have an equally fantastic sound. Just different? To me it is the sound I prefer. So play what you have and enjoy what you play. If you want to learn about Elites or Adamas's do an internet search and please check out Al's site again the little camera Icon to the right of the guitar selections will get you a photo to look at on his site. And remember were all Crazy.
It's the Gas!
You'll get it to if you stay here, before you know it you'll be hiding money from your husband and stealling the kids lunch money to get an Ovation you just can't live without! I found A cure for the Ovation GAS! I found that Rickenbacker guitars were just as desirable to me as the Ovations! but then I have been looking at Gibsons and Alembic's and Tobias's etc. etc. and then there is that Ovation Mandolin and Adamas Bass, and ohhh yeah a Tiple.... yep a Tiple and an electric violin and..............
There now lets see if can end this thread too! Randy |
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Location: East Texas | I always promote and try to buy locally. I believe the expert advice and support and service is worth a lot. HOWEVER, here is my story and I am sticking to it.
I fell for a Korean made Black Ovation in my local shop that was on sale for about 50% off. I sold a Yamaha FG-75 I found at a garage sale and an old go-cart my kids never used and went to the store to make a deal. They had a like new used case they would sale for $70 to go with the guitar. If they would have thrown in the case I would have bought it. THEN I made the mistake of playing an 1868 Elite T while they were screwing around. Sounds great AND made in the USA. It was on sale for $699($200 off). I could not get them to come down any on the USA made guitar and I could not lay out $700 for a guitar (I can barely play...). After listening to the Elite T I could not buy the Korean made guitar (because of the better quality sound and I work in manufacturing and I (we) are at war with foriegn manufacturing.
I left with the intent to save more money and return but then I saw a deal on Ebay. I purchased a new 1868 Elite T for $475. With shipping, $200 less than the local shop sales price. I could not pass that up. If it had been less than $100, I would have bought locally to support local business but $200 is $200. I have bought 3 guitars and all my support gear locally in addition to trying to get the best deal possible so I do not feel bad about buying this off the net at such a low price. That's what the free enterprize system is all about, write?
In addition to the above, when I ask the sales person about why the Elite T was not marked down like the Korean guitar, he said it was because they were clearing out last years models (the music shop in MO said that sold the Elite T for $475 because they were clearing out last years model...).
My vote is:
1)Buy American Made
2)Buy locally
3)Buy with in your budget
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by TDCElite:
//snip, snip, snippety, snip away a lot of post//
In addition to the above, when I ask the sales person about why the Elite T was not marked down like the Korean guitar, he said it was because they were clearing out last years models (the music shop in MO said that sold the Elite T for $475 because they were clearing out last years model...).
My vote is:
1)Buy American Made
2)Buy locally
3)Buy with in your budget
T>D>C
Very interesting story. My local Mom/Pop, and the place I take my lessons, is very flexible with pricing, going so far as to check internet pricing (8th Street, MusiciansFiend, SameDayMusic, etc.) and matching it. The owner (Rick) is incredibly friendly and the young guns they have working the counter/floor aren't the 'I'll help you after I'm done shredding my way through this Yngwie scale run for the fifth time'-salesdroids that one finds at the local Guitarget. Actually, there are two or three latino guys working at the local Guitarget that are just awesome...the other guys are awful.
Buying last years models is a great way to save some bucks (and therefore minimize SWMBO's anger) . I'm looking at a Peavey Cropper Classic at one of the mom/pop's stores (they have three in this area) that has been marked down to $519 from the original $819 from the original retail of $1099. I missed two (!) of them on eBay that went for $220-$250, brand new w/OHSC and could kick myself.
And don't ignore the used market! That's how I bought my 1868 (non-T)!! Now, if I could get someone at the Hamerfanclub page to activate the account I registered a week ago so I can ask a couple of questions about some used Hamer tele's I have turned up...
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Lisa, It would be better if the library had a hard cover, would last longer and all that. I'll take care of it next time I'm down that way. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Hi, Lisa, yes, I'm here.....actually I have TWO Legends...an old 1978-vintage model 1617 and a much newer 2003-vintage model 1777. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by "gingerbread", but my guess is that it refers to the fact that the regular Legend's bridge is not as ornate as the Custom Legend(several hundred dollars more expensive), plus it doesn't have as much abalone trim (the pearlescent material used on fingerboards, around rosettes and body edges) as the Custom Legend.
I'll use my old post signature this time so you can see what guitars I have....I've gotten lazy of late.
Roger
1976 Applause AA14-4 6-String
1978 Ovation 1617-4 Legend 6-string
1981 Ovation 1118-1 Glen Campbell 12-string
2001 Adamas 1598-MERB Melissa Etheridge 12-String
2003 Ovation 1777-NAT Legend 6-string
2004 Ovation GCS771-C Balladeer 6-string
2003 Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus
2004 Larrivee O-09 Flame Maple Parlor |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Lisa:
Steve (my husbnd) put a picture of my Balladeer under my profile! He's a great guy!
Time for me to get back to my C major scales in the second position :confused:
Lisa-
That is a great looking whippet! (At least I think it's a whippet) And the O is nice, too! :) |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Gingerbread is the same as fru-fru but a little more manly. |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/frary/changing_strings.htm
Lisa
The link (above) on changing nylon strings should give you an idea on how to change them.....pretty easy. If you tie the ends...looks better. Some people use the ball ends....to me it doesn't look as good on a Nylon stringed guitar.
I use Labella strings on all my classicals/Nylon stringed guitars. I have used them for 20 years. They have always worked well for me and I love the tone. |
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Location: SoCal | Lisa, gingerbread refers to the inlays on the fingerboard. It's usually a term used when they are fancy.
Don't worry about the strings on your CA when going over the the factory. If they work on them, they'll just be taking them off and discarding them.
And a lot of us here have nylon string guitars. I've got a Courtry Artist myself as do a number of people on the board.
Lastly, don't feel bad about not going up above the third fret. In the studio, they call those first three frets the "money frets". I, myself, only know 3 chords, but I'm told that there's a 4th one out there and I keep searching for it. |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | Lisa
I agree with Paul Moody. No need to replace them prior to your factory visit....they'll just remove them and replace after fixing your guitar. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Lastly, don't feel bad about not going up above the third fret. In the studio, they call those first three frets the "money frets". I, myself, only know 3 chords, but I'm told that there's a 4th one out there and I keep searching for it.
And, as everyone knows, the 'money frets' only payout if you stick to cowboy chords!
(Why yes, my guitars only show wear on the first four frets. Why do you ask?) :eek: |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | OK, better Late than never!
In reference to FFM in Logan's Run..
she played the Receptionist/Assistant to The Plastic Surgeon.
I Love that Movie! |
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Location: south east Michigan | A remake of Logan's Run is in the works. One director had to back out but it will get made.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | That's unfortunate....the original Logan's Run was plenty good enough. Too bad they can't spend some money making a good ORIGINAL story (but paraphrasing Linda Ronstadt's song..."it's so easy to have a hit, all you gotta do is recycle it").
Lisa, it does take a little more finger strength to play a 12-string, but not as much as you might think. I shied away from them for a while, but one evening at Guitar Center last October I picked up a 6751 Balladeer 12-string and found I could play it just fine!!!!
I was hooked, and I now have 2 12-strings(no 6751, though!). You gotta change TWELVE strings when you change them, however! And the thin octave strings are prone to breaking when changing them. At least they are for me.
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Location: Upper Left USA | As I struggle to catch up I am enjoying this string alot.
For Lisa:
"After I consume my forthcoming copy, I'll donate it to the New Hartford library. There should be one there, to my way of thinking."
I'd get it signed instead. add a smudge of Boston Cream.
Hearing your enthusiasm makes playing my CL12 with the bologna all around it and my Elite with the little holey thingies sound even better. Those of us that have had an "enriched" Ovation experience from this board are really blessed.
There is a deep history and commitment to craftsmanship in these instruments. Also a sense of Family from this board. OK, sick family, but still family.
Over the weekend I spent time with our Youth Group. They taught me some Switchfoot. I taught them 4&20. |
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Location: NJ | "Switchfoot" (I believe) is a contemporary P&W band.
"4+20" is a Stephen Stills song on CSN&Y's first album "DejaVu". |
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