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Location: south east Michigan | From today's Detroit Free Press,
A quote from Pete Townshend concerning Michael Moore's "kvetching" about not being allowed to use "Won't Get Fooled Again" in Farhenheit 911.
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P.T...."I greatly resent being bullied and slurred by him in interviews just because he didn't get what he wanted from me....He'll have to work very hard to convince me that a man with a camera is going to change the world more effectively than a man with a guitar."
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I don't want to get polital here but the "change the world with a guitar" statement is where I want to focus. Is it true?
Has Dylan's "Blowing in the Wind" had more influence than say "Saving Private Ryan"?
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Location: NJ | Music and Filmaking are BOTH very powerful mediums. Both are capable of stirring the hearts, minds and souls of people, but it is in fact PEOPLE and policies that change the world, not music and/or film.
I'm a very big fan of Pete's work, but he's taking himself a little too seriously. If the song (albeit a GREAT song!) is such a monumental "world changing" piece of Art, who held the gun to his head to sellout his Art to CBS for something as meaningful and world-changing as "C.S.I. Miami"? |
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Location: Tennessee | The "bed in for peace" by John and Yoko managed to change the world using both. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Stick with me for a moment...
You know when a musician goes to play their "anthem" or a tune that represents the emotion or carries the heart of a matter - and the audience is singing along. Cut the band and Singer and up the audience mics. The audience is now the performer.
Visual and audio media can convey powerful thoughts and emotions to the audience but the audience has to respond or accept it. When the audience takes it, owns it and amplifies it as their own - that is powerful.
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Location: Florida | I can think of many good movies, many thought provoking images. These have touched my mind, and even at times my heart.
Only music has touched my soul. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Granted, it's unadultered narcissism, but it may be an issue of "intellectual property". Mr. Townsend is free to do what he likes with his own creations, whether we question his motives or judgement. Capitalism raises its, sometimes, ugly head again. |
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Location: Charlotte NC | Originally posted by CharlieB:
I can think of many good movies, many thought provoking images. These have touched my mind, and even at times my heart.
Only music has touched my soul.
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by seesquare:
Granted, it's unadultered narcissism, but it may be an issue of "intellectual property". Mr. Townsend is free to do what he likes with his own creations, whether we question his motives or judgement. Capitalism raises its, sometimes, ugly head again.
I wish I had the link handy, but I read an interview with PT on another site (not the freep) that went into detail about Moore. To paraphrase...Moore and Co. offered considerably less than the 'normal' rate for rights to use WGFA because they felt the movie was important enough to justify getting a cut-rate on the rights. PT's manager said no, PT said no, MM threw a tantrum in public. |
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Location: south east Michigan | "capitalism raisies it's head"...Yeah everyone needs a paycheck. Remember when Rod Stewart went disco?
MWoody..right on...the audience is the real power. Townshend has said the same thing.
Townshend has said that "Won't Get Fooled" has meant different things to him over the years.
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Location: Palm Desert, CA | He's waiting to use the song on his website for little boys----for free. What a jerk. I also agree w/ the CSI thing. Cool show that PT could care less about, but the price they were willing to pay made him care a little bit more. |
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Location: Central Oregon | Music is an important medium for society. Film is important as well. Most important of all is the truth.
Michael Moore is not important.
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Location: NJ | At wood stock Pete booted Abbie Hoffman off the stage. He did not want to mix music and politics then either. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Michael Moore is an opinionated jerk with the emotional maturity of the average 15-year-old boy. Pete Townshend, whatever his failings, has consistently shown his humanity again and again by supporting worthy charities. And it was he who "rescued" Eric Clapton from his cocaine binge in 1973 by organizing the Rainbow Concert, and making Eric play it(look at the pictures on the CD....Eric looks like hell). Eric would probably be dead now if he hadn't.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | ....on the ORIGINAL question....music is far more important.....I've heard "Blowing In The Wind" many, many times....I've NEVER seen "Saving Private Ryan".
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Location: 6 String Ranch | In the end it's his tune and he can do what he wants. Michael Moore is a jerk but that has nothing to do with this. |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | IMHO, both are important conduits for "churning" the soul.....but in my experience music has done it more often and consistent |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | AMEN!! |
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Location: NJ | A classic film (while certain aspects of it CAN be engrained in your psyche) really needs a proper, legitimate "viewing". A great song can be "carried around" in your head with you. No matter what you may be physically DOING, the music is always playing in your head . . . . at least it does in MINE ( . . . along with with all these damn VOICES!! . . . if only the neighbor's dog would just stop telling me what to do! . . ) |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | Cliff
roger that! |
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Location: NJ | uh, . . no . . Roger's not one of the voices . . |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | how bout ....agree |
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Location: NJ | Okay, . . I'll(we'll) accept that ;) |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | great....give my regards to all of them (voices..) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | The Nuclear Nautical Legend himself, Hyman Rickover, was addressing a Jr. Officer who had skirted the blame by using the term "We".
He said "only three people could use the term we; a Ruler of a soveriegn country, a pregnant woman and a schizophrenic! Which Sir are you?"
Do like Paul did in "Dune"; follow the drummer! |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Thankfully it isn't my voice.....is it the llama's????? ;)
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | a few years ago i saw a show hosted by david byrne at town hall. he gave a talk. the music was haitian and cuban voodoo and santaria. the audience danced. the point of it was that music taps into something inside of us, we are programmed to respond to certain rhthyms, certain melodies, certain harmony. A movie, can "move" us deeply, but music gets us in tune with the deeper things within us. |
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Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma | When was the last great movie you saw without a great soundtrack? I know that Full Metal Jacket and Platoon would have never been as good as they were without the music... I believe that the rise in music videos shows the strength of the visual and musical mediums... I can't help but remember the picture of the girl leaning over the fallen student at Kent State without hearing Steven Stills singing " now its time we stop children whats that sound, everybody look whats going down". Movies don't have the same affect without the music yet music can and does stand on its' own.. |
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Location: Waurika OK | Kinda of off topic, but in line with where this topic has gone:
Music ability/appreciation/even necessity was instilled in mankind by God. It is one of the most powerful influences/teaching tools that is available to humans.
Think how many songs you can remember from your very earliest years. The first song that I remember learning and can still sing to this day, was a radio commercial for Burgermeister Beer in Oakland Ca. My dad convinced me to stop singing it!
Every culture from the most primitive to the most technologically advanced has music of some kind.
It is a big part of who we are, use it wisely.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programing.
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Location: NJ | ". . When was the last great movie you saw without a great soundtrack? . . ."
- "Castaway". |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by BalladeerFun:
When was the last great movie you saw without a great soundtrack?
The greatest movie of all time (!!), 'Citizen Kane.' Unless you count the opera singing girlfriend as soundtrack.
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