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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Ok, I gotta admit, I like the looks of this guitar. I didn't think much of the Tangent when it first came out, I didn't get it... This new MOB model clearly has a focus. I don't know where it's made, but it's being touted as a "Beach" guitar or MOB (My Other Board). I actually heard about the axe when I was at the Summer Namm... It's focus is the young beach/surfer crowd that needs a guitar that is going to stay together, and look kinda cool too. I think it just SCREAMS "Take me to the beach!!!" and I like the little surfboard soundholes.
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| If I focus hard enough I can see myself and Jimmy Buffett sitting in the sand at sunset down in Key West surrounded by bikini clad girls playing Margarita Ville to a bunch of parrot heads with this guitar.
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| Korea…!
If the world situation keeps going the way it did last week, Ovation may wont to think about relocation form Soul to Kabul for a while. Then, next year move to Baghdad. Real estate and labor costs should be a bargain by then and the US would probably subsidize any US Company wonting to relocate there. Ovation could celebrate the new factory by change the name and color of this guitar to target the entire militant Muslim world. They would only have to paint it white and name it the Geeee-hooood. The redneck US version would have a blue headstock and red binding and be called the Homeland I.
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Location: Singapore | Wonder if Ovation will go wild and paint on a beach/surf motif on the whole body, complete with palm trees and the setting sun. Now that will be tottaly different!....just a thought. :D |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | This guitar makes me glad that I own old Ovations. GEEZZZZZ, I can't believe this thing is made by the same company that made my Adamas 20 years ago. From it's hidious headstock, to that horrible bridge what is happening to Ovation? Come on Ovation, how can I support you when you make things like this? Thank God for old Ovations, and sure I hope nothing happend to mine because I can't imagine spending money on this stuff!!....Paul Hebert |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | It retails for 799.99 dollars, it's ugly as sin, and made in Korea. Hmmm, just makes me want to run out and buy one. Come on Ovaiton, what are you thinking!!!!.....Paul Hebert |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Unless you are 19 years old, this guitar is not for you. And, remember to a 19 year old, an ADAMAS, is an ugly piece of furnature your grandpa used to play. It's about time Ovation invested some time into their future customers. I say do whatever it takes to get kids interested in Ovations. The surf and board crowd, the Tony Hawks of the future will be ready to buy high-end guitars in 10-20 years...by then they will know about tone and workmanship. For now, if they are going to buy a cheaper guutar, it might as well be an Ovation, because if it isn't an O now, it never will be. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Miles I got my Adamas when I was 19. It was and still is in my opinion the best looking acoustic guitar out there. Before that I had a Legend. I know times change, but those Tangent models are horrble....Paul Hebert |
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Location: Tennessee | When I scoped out the first pictures of this, I thought it looked radically bitchin. It would look totally righteous next to my sea foam green Charvel surfcaster. Ovation needs to lay on some pinstriping around the binding like my old surfboards used to have, and add some faux mother of pearl to the headstock and the bridge. All the hodaddies will be stoked when I pull it out and riff off an acoustic version of Pipeline.
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Location: NJ | didn't I tell you boys to play nice?????
When I was 16 I saved up half the amount to buy a Les Paul I wanted one just like Duane Allman cherry sunburst. I had no clue that his was a 59 and a standard but that is a whole other issue. Well when we got to the store the salesman told me it would be 319 with tax case strings pick cable strap and I think I even got to pat his daughter on the behind. I turned around to walk out and my dad asked where I was going. I said well we could come back in a year or so when I earn the rest of the money from my paper route. Well my pop who was unemployed due to a back injury found a way to come up with the mnoney and make that guitar happen for me. I was really blown away since our relationship was strained to say the least.
My first decent guitar was a teardrop shaped kapa that I loved due to the look the second was a hofner violin shaped guitar with built in fuzz, then I got the LP.
The point of this rambling, at nearly 3 am ,is that if there was an epi LP back then I could have had at 1/3 the price of the usa LP, I would have bought one and aspired to the USA one. But in the seventies this was not an alternative.
If the MOB guitar is bought by first time buyers. (not many can afford a USA instrument in 2003 dollars OR seventies dollars back in the day) the natural guitar to aspire to would be a upper end USA made guitar. It only makes logical sense. I often wonder how many kids get a Chinese strat then an Indonesian strat then a koren strat a japanese strat a mexican strat and then a USA strat. Well I am sure some skip some of the steps but I think you may understand where I am going with this.
My first decent acoustic was a gibson lgo I bought it for 125 because I knew givsung was a "good" guitar. Little did I know that particular givsung was crap ( plastic bolt on bridge and crappy tuners all mohagony)
A few years later I bought a martin d 35 from a "hippie" living in an old victorian house with no heat in the middle of winter who needed exactly 235 to pay his bill and wanted no more and no less from the guitar. I lucked out. and got a great guitar cheap. Actually I rescued this guitar since it had cig burns scratches dents etc and SAND in the sound hole.
What I am getting at here is that the time when you could get a usa made instrument reasonably are gone for the most part. Someone that buys an import would probably trade up later on, for some it takes longer than others and for some it never happens.
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Location: NJ | Being a dyed-in-the-wool ParrotHead, the initial mention of an Ovation "beach guitar" gave me a "chubby"! (I had been looking for a guitar to take on my summer pilgrimages to LBI for some time).
While I found the look to be somewhat "cool" in the vein of what they're trying to achieve, I'd be hard pressed to hand over anywhere CLOSE to 800 sheckles for a Korean guitar that I'm gonna be exposing to sun, salt, sand, water, lotion, beer, rum, tequila, and the occasional dog.
This guitar (to me) appears to be dependent upon "look" (which IS kinda' "neat") and not substance. It made no mention of any kind of electronics, so I'm assuming it's strictly acoustic. What warrants this price?
Personally, if I were looking for a guitar that I could use/abuse on the beach, I'd scour the shops/Net for a used old Balladeer, or a Celebrity, or even an Applause and do my own "trick" finish treatment on it.
Believe me, I'm NOT trying to slam a new product just for the sake of doing so (and because it's an import), and I DO appreciate what they're trying to achieve with the market that they're going after, but I know a LOT of surfers (both young & old) and they're not THAT superficial!
A more innovative design and/or material usage along with the "look" would've made better sense.
To me it looks like they're just trying to "revamp" the look and use up the parts of an ugly guitar that probably isn't selling. Putting three stripes on a turd won't make it sell any better.
While I can appreciate what Al is saying in that it's great that entry-level guitarists (and "first-time" Ovation buyers) have a vast choice of economical, quality instruments to choose from and hopefully be hooked and trade up.
The PROBLEM is that the guitar that's being viably marketed to them, that they're aspiring to, that there being TOLD to aspire to is a Taylor! When Jason/Justin/Brad/Bryce/Lance decides to "make the investment" and upgrade to a better quality instrument, what's gonna be his choices when he walks into the "Acoustic Room" at Guitar Center or opens up Musician Friend? He'll glance over the three or four Celebrities available that are basking in the glow of the Taylor neon sign on the other side of the room.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think everyone here is coming close to the point but keeps missing it. As soon as you use the phrase "I" or "I would" or "when I was 19" you are not looking at this guitar from the proper perspective as I don't believe we have anyone from the Extreme Sports set on the board yet. If we do, stop lurking and say Hi.
I sent this email last night to a fellow member, and it has some points for here as well. I edited a little, but it's still long... excuse the rant..
I think Ovation likes that there are such diverse opinions, I know I do. My point was simply that today... if you took an early Adamas and the new MOB to a mall on Saturday, or to a Tony Hawk skate boarding event, the MOB would get all of the interest. If you did the same thing 20 years ago, the Adamas was the guitar to have. That world (musically and astetically) is dead and gone, and if Ovation doesn't embrase the young ones, they won't have a need for an Adamas department as there will be no one to buy them our age group doesn't count... We saw people playing Ovations on TV and live when we were 19. There is no one playing them today. (when I say no one, if they aren't on VH-1 or MTV, they are for intents and purposes no one.) Ovations only other choise to to market to a hot new audience. Many many skate boarders play guitars. It's like they go together for some reason. They have guitars in softcases across thier backs in all the big cities I've been in recently. The MOB is actully going to be featured in Skating magazines and at Extreme Sports Events as I understand. How does this effect the USA Ovation quality or production... it does not at all. The MOB is made in Korea. The advertising and such comes out of that department too. Chances are if you are not an Extreme Sports enthusiast... you may never even see an MOB "cept at Guitar Center. But when those kids grow up to be CEO's, rocket scientists (hey I have high hopes for our youth) and such... they will be the ones who buy a new Adamas Q at $5,000+
I also agree that Ovation should make quality guitars and they do. Adamas, Elite, Elite-T (for same price as MOB I might add) and several (not all ) of the Collectors. They are still working on the "Adamas Q" but who knows when that will come out.
I think you get my point... but the way, beauty is subjective. I think the MOB is one of the sexiest acoustic guitars made, I really think it's cool. I frankly never did like style of the Adamas one that much, but I LOVE the tone. I do like the Adamas II, both style and tone. I hate the Tangent, but love the Tangent MOB.. It's all taste... The best sounding ovation... 2001 Collectors or early pre-release Slot Head. Just my opinions. |
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| I personally don’t think this is the most attractive guitar ovation ever made. In fact I dint think it’s in the top ten. That being said I’m going stick with Miles on this idea of focus.
I grew up hanging out at the Huntington Beach Pier and when I was 19 in the late 60’s my best friend played an old Martin and he played it rather well. He was my best friend because he got girls with that guitar and as a best friend I got the leftovers. One day he told me ‘Mike if you get a guitar then you’d get girls.’ It was then that I learned one of the most basic truths of life. You can tell a man to do anything and if you add the phrase “ and then you’ll get girls.” on the end, he’ll either do it or, at the very least, give it some dam serious consideration. If he would have said ‘Mike, lay on the railroad tracks and let the train run over you and then you’ll get girls’, I probably wouldn’t be hear today. I had gotten my hands on a big old hand-me-down Gibson and was following in my best friends foot steps when I first saw Glen Campbell on TV and I can tell you that Leaf top round back thing he was playing looked just as silly as this Tangent but as I watch I could see that that Glen was on that TV set for one reason. That’s right, to get girls and if that guitar was helping him do that, well that was good enough for me. My next guitar was an Ovation and I’ve played them ever since.
Its been a long time since I’ve seen a 19-year-old kid with anything I wanted except for maybe his girlfriend. And I expect if your over 40 its been a while since a 19 year old kid wanted any anything you have except maybe your car and your 18 your old daughter. Now I’m going to stick my neck out and say that theirs a fair percentage of 18 year old girls who don’t know the name of the president of the United States let a lone the difference between this Tangent and a slot head Adamas and really don’t care. And if the girls don’t care, you can bet the guys don’t care.
So Ovation, if your listing put some lipstick on this pig as they say in the advertising business and get out there and tell them what they wont to hear.
“Buy this guitar and then you’ll get girls. We guarantee it!”
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Location: SoCal | I love this last post. Hell, I still play guitar to get the girls. I just can't do anything with them since I'm married.
Everything the previous two posts have said is true. My complaint with Ovation (and maybe it's my own misconceptions -- gotta be honest about that), is that I do see Martin and Taylor (those two specifically), going after an older market. That tells me that there may actually be an older market (besides me -- when the hell did I become an "older" market?).
Maybe I just don't want to face the realities of life, or maybe I just feel left out, but sometimes I feel like Ovation marketing doesn't give a rats ass about me. And they probably don't. But I don't want to feel that way. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "but sometimes I feel like Ovation marketing doesn't give a rats ass about me"
Paul I think that is great fodder for another whole thread of rants (which I may start :) .
I don't think I've been misunderstood, but just to clarify... As proud as I am, or enthusiastic as I am that Ovation is going after the youth market in a very hip way, I also want to see the USA Models someplace.
(I feel a rant coming on)..
I have always found Ovation ads to be preaching to the choir, or "a day late". If you already owned an Ovation, you then find out how great it is. Just check out my observations on the UKII at The Solidbody and Storm Series Collection site.... and nothing has changed. I see people playing guitars all over the TV and in some ads and they aren't Ovations. The only place I know of to see an Ovation ad, is a guitar magazine. Now that may have been the place to advert a guitar in the days when mags were used as research, but more and more people no longer buy magazines to research a guitar (or anything else). They use the web THEN subscribe to the rag that best fits, promotes, or provides news on what they bought. The MOB is going to appear (or so I heard) in Surfer magazines. I'd love to see the USA Models, just appear on a TV show, and maybe appear in a high-end or vintage auto or biker magazine. I think UNITED's inflight magazine "Hemispheres" (or any other airlines rag) would be a great place to put an Ovation ad. All those exec's with nothing better to do but read the magazines (and spend money) on long flights. Ovation makes a great guitar to travel with, and even a better one to come home too. BRAIN STORM ALERT - BRAIN STORM ALERT.... I just realized, I have heard Melissa Ethridge (not just her tunes, but HER) on the inflight radio at least two times in the last year. 30-60 minutes of her chatting about the songs she plays, and people she's met. I have NEVER heard her mention the guitar she plays.... ok now I'm miff'd. I think I will go cool off and write a rant for another thread. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Miles you are correct about Melissa Etheridge. I have seen many interviews with her, and she never talks about her guitar. Man if Ovation made a "Paul Hebert" Adamas, I would sing it's praises every chance I would get. Hey Ovation, I have played my Adamas all over the place exclusvely for over 20 year. How about the "Paul Hebert" model Adamas? Oh well I can dream can't I?...Paul Hebert |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Well, Mike confirms my theory that in 70's CA Ovation was a beach (attracts bikinis) guitar, and this MOB might work too, it definitely has the color and modern looks. How many of you pull up to the beach in your family Suburban and expect to be surrounded by what is todays beach bunnies? How many of you opinionated elders drive a euro racer with the bass set at a level that nearly blows off the top, leaning back to where you can barely see over the wheel, so into it that you just can't see the hassle, a blue surfer gittar might be a great way out of it?
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| If you check all the Artistes kinks on the Ovation website you’ll see that most of the websites don’t link back to Ovation. Sounds like a one-way street to me. On Melissa’s sight I could find several links to sites discussing sexual preference but not one to Ovation. Maybe Ovation should higher the ‘Soup Nazi’. No Link to Ovation! Out! No guitar for you!
I think Ovation could to up the ante and besides the Photo of the sponsored artist they could have a 5 minute streaming audio interview with them discussing topics related to them playing Ovation guitars.
Ovation could contract Miles to lay down one of the artist’s sound tracks and then the voice over interview. Then they could put it up in Media Player / Quick Time / Real One in place of the link to the Artists website. Then all the artists would wont to post a link to their interview on their own sight and Ovation would get free press from all the Artists sights. Ya! I like this Idea. It would cost Ovation a little more server space and they would have to pay Miles for the recording. Maybe they could even get Miles and Al to do the interview. Ya! I’m sure Ovation will jump right on this idea.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | MSB, you hit some very forward thinking ideas. It is not very common for two industry entities to link, but it should be. That note aside, I would think one could get a short, couple question, phone interview available to play on each artists picture.
I think, especially based on the eclectic mix of artists, it would lend credability to hear what the artist has to say about Ovation guitars. Folks like DJ Ashba (who is a lot older than you might think) and Megadeth are Ovation endorsers. I don't hear or think "acoustic Ovation" when I see these names or hear their work, so I'd like to hear what they have to say. It may be a perspective or angle on acoustics that I hadn't thought of, and might like. |
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Location: australia | i liked it's appearance and i was going to buy one, so i came here to see what you all thought about them but if it's korean i'll give it a miss. why do the top guitar factories keep building guitars in slave countries, i nearly bought a cobain jag-stang till i found out they were all built in japan and when president bush paves the way, i bet fender will be making baghdad teles, in camoflage-green, complete with camel hair strings and body odour, melted-down scud-missiles for frets and mother-of-sand dot inlays. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "why do the top guitar factories keep building guitars in slave countries" I don't know of any companies building guitars in "slave" countries. I know Ovation uses Korea (as do many others) because it's a pretty high-tech place that can turn out a gazillion guitars at a fraction of the price in the USA. Here they would have to pay the workers the same amount to make a Tangent as you would to make an Adamas. So to answer your question, MONEY is the main reason as far as I know. By the way, the MOB is a pretty cool guitar. |
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Glad to have you here, but please check your politics at the door. However, ALL opinions (civil) on guitars are welcome. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | 10-4 on that thought moodypeeeye.
two things going on here.
1. The MOB and the Tegement. I think these guitars are a steaming pile of.... well you've all heard that speech before. OK, so we old guys hate them. That's fine as long as the kids love them. That's the question that needs to be answered and I think the jury's still out.
2. What is the company doing for us old guys? You know the answer, nothing! I just bought two brazilian Collings. Where is the Ovation equlivent? Do they have a $10,000 guitar in their line up? Of course they don't. How about a $5000? Not. Are there people out there who will spend that much for a guitar? Of course there are. How are they ever going to get the Ovation message to this segment of the market? They're not.
One of the major problems facing KMC is this lowest common denominator marketing thinking. Ovation is a Mercedes. At least that's what the original concept was. The Adamas was the AMG. It has been treated as a Volkswagon for so long now that the results are starting to show. It is being thought of as a volkswagon by the consumers and dealers. It's not a high end guitar anymore. It's too bad, it was there once. |
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Location: NJ | when I was a kid I was (and probably still am) a very picky eater. My father would call everything chicken no matter if it was pork, beef, turkey, fish etc and I would eat it and be happy.
I think once we get older and we can determine that it is not all chicken but there are different flavors and we can like or dislike them that is when we decide what to buy for ourselves.
Maybe some of the kids looking at the MOB and tangent will think it is chicken and found out years later it is something else and go out and seek that Adamas. But at least they tasted it.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Al, it makes PERFECT sence. Only problem, and this is MY first hand information. When I learned they all weren't "chicken" I decided that A slothead is in my future.... uh... ok... how about an Adamas juut like Nancy..... uh... ummm... ok how about an Adamas II... well... ok I found one (thanks AL). I think you get me point and the point CWK was also making. Why oh Why isn't the "top of the line" at least available and marketed as a Custom or "special order". I know we talked offline on this, and I am no PRS fan, BUT....they have the Dragon at least. As they swerve off into the land of imported guitars, they still have that $25,000 Dragon to prove they still can make a "real" guitar. Ovation needs to have a flagship guitar, and I find it odd that the marketing folks haven't lept on this. The Q should be in the catalog with a price, and a waiting list "special price". The Slothead and Adamas should both be in the catalog as "special order" items. There is certainly nothing-lost, nothing gained to have them listed especially if they are going to cost so much that it pays to actually make them.
I know another guitar company this is still taking custom orders (sorry I can't print the name) for a guitar that they can't make probably for another couple of years if at all. And people are giving them MONEY TOO (I was one of them).
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Location: NJ | I sold this guitar
it was built for someone on a custom order and they decided not to pick it up. Notice the headstock? slothead...Well it looks like a folklore neck with an overlay that says adamas textured woven top and wide fingerboard. I will tell you I regret everyday selling that guitar but that is why I am in business to sell guitars. Anyway I had that guitar a couple of years ago so If you order it they will build it. Not quite a slot head by the traditional standard but damn close. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | CWK2 you are right on as usual. That MOB is one ulgy piece of crap! I can not get over it. It says one thing to me:CHEAP LOOKING!!!! I am amazed that someone at Ovation thought we have to make that. DAMN, who comes up with these ideas? Can anyone get a job at Ovation and design terrible guitars? I don't know what is going on here, but with guitars like this, the competition must be some happy. Paul Hebert |
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I explained this once before but it probably needs redefining.
You say "How could Ovation design this spoo?"
They might not have.
You think of Ovation as a company. It isn't. It's just a product line.
The company is Kaman Music Corporation. This company has many product lines, big ones too. Hamer, Takamine, Latin Percussion, Gretch Drums, Sabian Cymbals, Hohner harps, etc, etc.
Ovation is a factory in New Hartford. KMC also has them made in several other countries, usually determined by their production costs and quality capabilities.
The Ovation factory makes guitars. Kaman Music Marketing Provides the direction on what to build. Is there interaction between the factory R&D department and KMC marketing, yes. How much, I don't know. I would guess that much more direction of what to build comes from KMC now than it did years ago.
So back to the question "Who designed this spoo?" Now you've got two choices. Maybe someone could find out on the up comming trip to mecca. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Ok, I adjust my question. How can Kaman Corporation design such an ugly piece of crap as teh MOB?....Paul Hebert |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | One man's crap is another's treasure. I really like it. It's got a theme, it's rather well built, it's just plain cool. There I said it. Is it as nice as an Adamas... well... apples and oranges. Adamas is not supposed to look like a surfers guitar you take to the beach, and an MOB isn't supposed to look like a classic handmade instrument. I think it's great that Ovation makes something for everyone. If they just made the Adamas, we sould have no need for this board, as they would be out of buisness. |
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Location: Tennessee | SHEESH ... give it a rest. Ovation has always been the guitar company who wasn't afraid to try something different. Why do we want them to become an old-fashioned company who only caters to old farts with nothing better to do than complain about how great things were in the old days (no intentional darts to anyone in particular on this board, except perhaps myself). Does anyone remember the reaction of the purists when Ovation released that gawdawful plastic guitar? Or how about that wierd blue burst thing with the broccoli thing on the headstock and a soundboard made from some sci-fi material? Whether Ovation, or KMC, or some dunce in art school came up the the MOB, there's no doubt that it is the coolest, most far-out acoustic available on the market. I'm with Miles on this one, and I've been watching them on eBay and people are buying them ... believe it or not. And I'm willing to bet they are getting into the hands of people who will move up to an Elite, or Legend, or maybe an Adamas Q at some point. They're better built, and sound better, than probably any other guitar in their price range, including those low-end Martins. And a helluva lot more durable. As for looks ... it's all personal opinion anyway. I hope Ovation keeps pushing the envelope ... if they don't, that's when they'll go out of business.
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Location: Columbus, Ohio | I like the looks of it. I think they should allow you to customize it with your name splattered on it, or with dolphins jumping out of the water, or palm trees. I'd order a plam tree on one right now and keep it at my Florida condo. I would be the hit of the beach.
I am a traditionalist. Own a Taylor. I was tired of having to baby it with perfect humidity levels. Checked out a cheap but new Celebrity for a beater and was amazed at the fit, finish, and quality. Plugged in it rivals most Taylor's.
Now I'm a fan and have purchased another Ovation. I only tried it by chance. Really just to prove to myself how pathetic they were. Even the salesman at ## said "you play a Taylor, don't waste you time with this piece of sh##!
Ovation needs to get the word out! Now my friends are wanting one since they have played mine. People just need the motivation to try an Ovation!!!
I think I'll get one of these MOB"s I'm 48 today, married with 2 teenage kids and a wife. But hey, if i have a chance to impress the girls....I'm buying it!!!!!!! |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | Well said Stonebobbo!!
I think the reason we all here have Ovations is because we wanted to be Different,Cool,A Leader,An Inovator,etc
Ovations in the '70's were the Fad - But I think (IMHO) we wanted them because it made us feel special-like "Hey look what I'm playing" We didn't follow the "Standard" in guitars,we had the "New" & "Hottest" guitar that made us stand out.(Bowl backs & made of plastic!!-How dare them!)
The new MOB is the younger generation's "New" & "Hottest" guitar - Its their turn to play a strange and unusual looking guitar with a round back!
Back in the '60's a man name Charlie Kaman sat down and pondered..."How can I make a guitar that's DIFFERENT?"......
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | I will not give it a rest. I am not an old fart, well maybe a young fart (lol). But what I am is a lifelong Ovation fan who wonders what the hell the company is doing releasing crap like the MOB. Sure we can talk about the "Surf" crowd. I guess I didn't realize there was such a demand for guitars in the surfing community. Geez, surf crowd? HHHMMMM, let's see. Maybe Ovation can come out with a pink one for the Avon crowd. Are better yet, how about a green one for the "earth" crowd. Pityfull! just plain pityfull. And to think, it says Ovation on the headstock....Paul Hebert |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Paul I really can't seem to figure what rubs you so wrong about THIS guitar. Why are you not so upset about the Celeb line or some of the others that have NO BUISNESS having the Ovation headstock on them. At least this one DOES NOT have the standard Ovation headstock, it's clearly different. There is NO confusing this guitat with an Elite or Adamas like so many people do with the Celeb line.
Also to answer some of your questions... You do realize I assume that a LARGE majority of the "surf crowd" these days have bigger balances on their gold and platinum cards then we have on our W-2's.. It is a HUGE industry that I think Ovation was EXTREMly smart in tapping into it. When we say surf crowd, we really are talking the XTREME-sports crowd. Tony Hawk has a travelling surf show that makes any U2 or Kiss concert look like a block party.
I am not jumping because of your distain for the MOB, because I respect your opinion, but I don't understand why you seem to tolerate the other imports that have no appearent direction and no appearent reason for exisiting other than to provide a cheap version of good guitars. The MOB actually has a HUGE directed market, where as the other imports have just an "if you can't afford the USA version.... here'ya go" market. I wish they didn't copy the headstock, but I'm also glad they didn't use the standard one. This is the first guitar in years that doesn't blur the import/usa thing, and one of the first to NOT copy the USA line.
"what the hell the company is doing releasing crap like the MOB."
TO MAKE MONEY!!!!
"I guess I didn't realize there was such a demand for guitars in the surfing community."
I guess you need hang out at a surf, or at least an extreme sports event. There are usually concerts involved or at least people playing music everywhere.
"Maybe Ovation can come out with a pink one for the Avon crowd."
Avon, or Tupperwear parties events that draw 10's of 1000's of people and are covered by live TV and made into DVD's and Tapes. Kids with more money than they know what to do with by the 1000's don't use Avon.
"how about a green one for the "earth" crowd."
They have NO MONEY.
Here is a qoute from Activision who chose "the skate crowd" to make a little cash... from July of 2002.
"The legendary skateboarder is the keystone of Activision's ambitions to become a $1 billion revenue company within 24 months. Last year, the group's Tony Hawk Pro Skater series was the largest independent U.S. videogame franchise, generating 30 percent of the Santa Monica-based company's revenues. Since its launch, Tony Hawk has generated sales worth more than $400 million."
I don't know about you, but I'd love to be a part of an industry that ONE PERSON's company, heck just having his name associates, can generate 400 million in revenue. That's not even the whole industry, that's just attaching one persons name to the product from the industry.
Sorry for the rant... but I guess the short more proper answer to your question is simple. WHy? Because there is potention for FREE MONEY and LOTs OF IT!!!
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Location: australia | sorry if i offended anyone but my comment wasn't political it was relating to corporate-greed and economic-slavery. (not actual slave countries).
america makes the best guitars in the world and should continue to do so but now they are competing against the budget asian copy markets that they actualy created (frankenstrat). fender put out a usa built budget strat (highway 1) to compete against the asian strat and it sounded bad, this is a dangerous lowering of the yard-stick.
i agree that the asian productions do look and feel good but the electrics are terible and as the budget asian copies are aimed at the beginer player, the beginer gives up learning the guitar
believing the bad sound is due to their ability not knowing the electrics are letting them down.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Hologram, good points.
I think the only reason US companies pay foriegn companies, espeically Korea to make guitars is to meet the price point. I don't think you can make a 500 dollar guitar in the states unless you hire an entire "cheap labor" force to do it, and then who knows what you would come up with. As you said, Fender tried and look what happened. They do have some new USA Fenders, that aren't bad, but... I'm kinda thinking a strat copy from Warmoth, Ibanez or Carvin is a better buy at that point. It's just simple math. As far as the electronics go, I may be wrong, but on an Ovation... I think the imports and USA model electronics are the same. |
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Location: NJ | Hologram when I started playing guitar years ago my parents bought me a budget guitar of the day. It was an acoustic guitar made in Holland and it was not playable and had horrible action. I think this thing cost them around $100 and it was a poor excuse for a guitar. It is amazing I even learned how to play.
Currently the guitars made in Asia as VERY good. They are playable they are real insturments. If you do not learn how to play guitar now it is because you did not want to learn not because the instrument was a total piece of junk.
Because of the cost of the USA made guitars makers are have been going to other sources for at least 30 years now to build student instruments. It is a good thing becuase the average person cannot start out buying a Les Paul for 2K as his high school present like I did when that same Les Paul was $319.
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Location: australia | cliff;
it is an acoustic/electric it has eq and an onboard led chromatic tuner. the body comes in shallow depth and super shallow depth. it's a great looking guitar and if it wasn't korean i would buy one right now. |
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Location: australia | mr ovation
thanks for pointing that out and correcting me reguarding ovation copy electrics but if the woods and the production is not the best, then not even the best electrics will compensate for the overall sound, wouldn't you agree.
alpep,
i teach guitar and whenever a student or parent of a student says to me "we'll buy a cheap guitar to start out with because our child may give up and we'll waste our money" i discourage this kind of talk and always encourage them to buy the most expensive guitar they can afford. i point out that cheap guitars generaly sound bad they have fret buzz, intonation is wrong, the actions are to high and unchangable , etc etc, i tell them that a properly designed, sounding guitar is much more important in the beging stages. a cheap guitar sounds band, their actions can give you wrist problems, etc and the student has no pride in the instrument. |
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Location: Columbus, Ohio | Wow, I am new to Ovation and have purchased 2 Celebrity's in the past 30 days. I didn't know the were looked at with so much distain!!! Believe me, these are well put together guitars. My Taylor dealer was amazed. You think when you buy a Ford that you are buying an American car? No way, most of the wiring, parts, and tons of other stuff in them come from asia! I believe an article I read in Business Week last fall said that most so called American cars were actually only about 24.5% American!!! Look at the Honda's, they are made here in Ohio with parts from everywhere. I went to GC last week to purchase a Legend, but sorry to say the CC057 Celebrity sounded much better unplugged and plugged in they sounded the same in a California Blond amp. I bought the Celebrity for $299!!! and had a huge smile on my face when I left!
It's a new world old timers with global manufacturing to keep costs in line. Quality is the same if not better. Remember the little Chevy little piece of crap that came out in the 70's to compete with the imports? AMERICAN made with American pride, that thing was a piece of sh##. People found pop bottles in the door wells and all kinds of other crap! That American car was so bad I can't even remember it's name!!
Why do you think there are so many imports? Duhh, because they are better. Remember all the advertising about the Oldsmobile Aurora? "This car will not only compete with Mercedes and BMW, it will out do them in their own market!" Well, where is that piece of junk now????? The entire company went under on the hopes of that junker! I own a German car and my kids have Honda's. High quality and they maintain their value. Are some of you driving the wonderful Auroura????? Good Luck! I'll take the MOB and Celebrity anyday! And save my money for something more important. |
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Location: Bloomfield Ct | If the MOB catches the eye and imagination of the generation of board sports enthusiasts, and gets them playing a roundback, how can that be bad?
It surely is slanted to the younger crowd. You know, the folks who buy the vast majority of guitars sold in the world. Today for the young folks image is everything.They tend to link their identity very closely with there hobbies, And they tend to be very "brand" conscious. Get them started on a roundback at a young age, and they just may grow up to be old farts that will spend a few grand on a new Ovation.
What needs to be done is the factory needs to get their "spoo" together and design and produce a guitar that is worthy of the Ovation peghead, and a $5000.00 price tag. With the right focus , it can be done. Hell, I have heard plenty of good ideas on this forum. |
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I am not sure if you got my point. My point is the quality of the current student model guitar as opposed to the student model guitar of 35-40 years ago is a vast improvement. YOu are right the best guitar affordable by the student is the best instrument. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Outstanding, and welcome to the board!!! Harley Davidson can't even put the little "Made In USA" sticker on the back of their bikes anymore... but Victory can, so I bought one :) and it was worth it. I was all set to buy a Jaguar last year until I found out it was really made by Ford, that would NOT have been worth it. I also agree that most of the inport Ovations just blow the competitions models away that are twice the price. |
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Location: Scotland | Nameless Horse.....Celebrities are great guitars for the dough. They have the same electronics as some of the US versions and a pickup (CP100 thinline) that was used on some USA models including several collectors editions & the Adamas SMT. They sound fine & are are a great introduction to the Ovation experience. Sound is a very subjective area & if you prefer the sound of your guitar to a Legend or whatever that's fine. BUT, and this is a huge "BUT" The materials & construction methods of the USA models are vastly different, even though the guitars appear superficially very similar (and that's a whole other topic) As a professional player who needs reliabilty & consistency night after night, show after show, with the guitars ridden hard & put away wet, I know the USA guitars are worth the extra.
Having said that I think the MOB is cool as F***
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Location: NJ | Horse: The infamous Chevy car was the VEGA (also known 'round these parts as the "Vegematic"). It was a REAL piece of shite!!! Aluminum engines with heads that warped like a Taylor in a rainforest!
Miles, what is the MOB going for?
Spring is almost here (FINALLY!!) and m'Lady and I are talking about vacations to Long Beach Island in June AND in September . . . . a cool beach guitar'd come in handy! (Not to mention ParrotHead gigs!)
Again, I'm in agreement with Master Templeman in that while the Celebrities are GREAT guitars for their price point, and can deservedly piss on the competition (of like price), the USA's are vastly more solid and reliable.
That being said, I have to say that I have no qualms with the guitars themselves. I'm just irked that the vast guitar-buying public is unknowingly led to believe that these guitars are ALL that Ovation is about. Last week, I was FINALLY able to locate an Elite-T amidst the "display tree" rack of Celebrities in the store. Played 'em ALL. The Celebs were NICE.
But, . . . would I/could I depend on one of these to stand up to the four+ hours of relentless abuse 1 to 3 times a week that I would require it to? I think not.
Ovations were designed/developed to be a sturdy, well-built, GREAT-sounding instrument for the working musician. That was their original "Mission Statement" (for lack of a better term) and that was their original "target demographics". A cost-effective, good-sounding instrument for the casual player is FINE and is a GREAT revenue source for the company. But over the course of time, the line has been TERRIBLY blurred and without picking the instrument up, it's hard to tell one from the other, and with them all under the same blanket, the unwitting consumer thinks they're all the same.
As Miles (I believe it was) once alluded to, it should say "Celebrity" on the headstock, and "Celebrity (by Ovation)" on the label inside (and on the hangtag). |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Let's keep perspective here. If we hate the MOB and Tegement it's because we're old farts. (We might be right and the kids hate it too but that's another issue)
If we hate the Celebrities and all The Ko-Reean stuff it's because we want to be snobs. They are very good Volkswagons, it's just that we like the glamour of the Mercedes S Class
That said I still think the Tegament is a steaming pile of doggie spoo in the middle of your new carpet. Yes, that makes me a snobbish old phart. OK, I accept that.
As MJM said, and in reference to my second point earlier, What is KMC doing to address the Old Fart Snobs who have the money and the desire to spend it on that "ultimate" guitar they always wanted? Why are they letting Martin, Collings, Taylor, Santa Cruz, Huss & Dalton, and all these other stove knitters eat their lunch and stomp their lunch box? |
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I even thought of another twist. By time the "Q" hits the street, the uninformed will think Ovation copied a Rainsong (or other Graphite or Composite) and just gave it a round back. Without it at least being in the Catalog, the fact that it's been in development for x-years will be a lost point IMHO. |
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Location: Alabama | Has anyone here Played the MOB? (I saw it called Mother of Blue on ebay) I'm just curious about the sound, I've neither seen one firsthand or played one. My first impression of the appearance was "toylike" but if it produces a sound comparable to the Elite T it may start looking better. I'm sure some more colors are comming, a yellow sunburst or sunset burst or maybe Tequila Sunrise would look good. I have long thought color offerings were a place Ovation could improve a lot. The Celebrity line has better colors than the Elites and Legends. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Yes I have played an MOB. In a word...CRAP! I know I have been bashing this guitar, but it truly is horrible and a disgrace to the Ovation name...Paul Hebert |
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How do you really feel about it? |
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Location: australia | alpep;
i did understand your point, they majority are better today but i've got a few mates whom brought cheap asian copies and one snapped a trust rod, another had a twisted neck and another had the tremelo fall out, all had bad fret finishing, i suspect the neck problems were due to poor production or cold-compartments in the airplanes, you see this another problem, when guitars are sent via airplane, if they're not properly prepeared for travel, they get damaged, if trust rods and strings are not released the cold contracts the neck, creating major problems, this is another major issue with imports.
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what you describe is not particular to asian built guitars.
Paul
we can all post "fill in the name of the guitar you wish to bash here" is a piece of crap all day long. It serves no purpose. Careful critique and criticism does.
The MOB is not for you. fine. so now we can probe further.
why is it a piece of crap?
design?
sound?
construction?
it is a piece of crap compared to what?
your adamas?
the usa line?
the celebrity line?
the applause line?
Now if you would posted your opinion in a manner that was more constructive it would hold more weight and value. Posting it is a piece of crap is not constructive and looks like spam.
Would I buy a MOB? proabably not, it is not the guitar for me, but I can appreciate the market it is trying to target and my favorite part about it is that it WILL NEVER BE MISTAKEN FOR A USA OVATION INSTRUMENT. The headstock design and the word tangent on the headstock distinguishes this from the usa counterparts.
I do not agree with everything the company does nor do I expect them to meet all my needs but I feel that making suggestions that make sense and are well thought out only leads to our credibility here as a website.
I have played the MOB and it plays and sounds as good as any of the other guitars in the celebrity line. To some of us that is not saying much but in the big scheme of things it is not bad.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Have you tried the elite t? I think that guitar blows away the celebrity line and it is a bargain. Sure it is not the fancy high end Adamas we lost for but it is a response to essentially the fan clubs suggestion of making an affordable entry level usa made guitar. That is one victory. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Al, I have played an Elite T. It sounded great. No, I am not comparing the MOB to an Adamas. I am just saying that it is ugly as sin, and sounds like crap. Now that was easy....Paul Hebert |
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Location: Tennessee | Heya Miles ... congrats on ordering the MOB. I'm ready to do the same, but I haven't been able to find one anywhere nearby to play. Did you order the S/S or the Mid bowl? Is there a significant difference in sound? I'm personally partial to mids and deeps ... sold the only S/S I ever bought.
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Location: Columbus, Ohio | hologram, thanks for the personal attack. Sorry you are so discriminatory when you have no idea or clue as to Asian production quality. I've been there many a time and their workers take more pride in their work than what I have seen here. You got class little boy! |
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Location: Columbus, Ohio | I agree Paul, I'm going to reserve my judgement on the MOB until I get the chance to play one. I do like that color though. |
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No not easy an oversimplification that is meaning less. It is still a blanket statement that says nothing.
sounds like crap compared to?
USA ovations ?
other korean Celebrity guitars?
Applause guitars?
some other brand?
why did it sound like crap?
no low end?
no high end?
no projection?
did it sound muted?
Paul
I am not trying to pick on you or discredit you in any way. My problem is that you repeatedly make blanket statements and do not back them up. Personally I don't care what your opinion is, it can be negative, my only problem is that IMHO you lack credibility by making statemets like this.
Your other target is the shallow bowl guitar which you repeatedly bash, but I can let you play a shallow bowl guitar that will knock you out. My point is that if they try they can make shallow bowl guitars sound good acoustically. Sure will it be a deep bowl? No never but this guitar does not need to sound bad acoustically.
I love tube amps. I own way too many of them, most of them are fenders. My first amplifier was a black faced princeton reverb that my dad bought for me in 64 or65. The sound that I reference in my ears coming out of an amplifier is this sound. There are a whole generation of guitarists that grew up with their first amp being a solid state peavey or crate. To their ears that is their point of reference. This is the tone the wish to duplicate when they buy an amp. Guess what ? it is OK. but it is not the sound I seek.
What I am saying is that it is great to have a contrary opinion and I support your right to have that, but to lend credibility to what you say you need to compare it to something tangable.
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Location: australia | be glad it's not australian !
you odviously have never heard of MATON guitars, they are world famous and played by the biggest names, they are painstakingly sought-out; by the biggest international acoustic players and strangely, are also owned by tommy emenuel, eddie van haylen, brian may, mark nofler, etc.
it is true we don't have a world famous solid body
producer down-under but our MATONS are world famous (although you've obviously never heard of them) and you, yourself can buy a real nice one if you want to part with $15,000 but there's a 8 month wait, due to back orders.
australia has the highest population to player ratio in the world, there's a player on every corner, so i found your country-assasination un-nessesairy.
we are surrounded by beaches down here, so i guess i should buy a mob after all, nothing else to do but surf and play. "thank god for australia, the home of the free and the lazy" |
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Location: tennessee | I have to throw my two cents in with ahorsewithnoname--I love my Celebrity.
BTW, all Asian made guitars are not necessarily equal. I've had three Yamahas. My first decent guitar was made in Taiwan. The others were Korean made. The Applause I owned was made in China and though it was a very nice guitar (for the money) it could compete with neither my $400 Celebrity nor my cheaper Yamahas. Korean quality was one factor in my decision to buy the Celebrity.
Another BTW--my super-shallow bowl has "OVATION USA" printed on the inside, so there's some American craftsmanship in the product.
I've got a kid to send to college in a few years (guess that makes me an old fogey, too) and I can't justify big bucks for my own toys. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Al, if you don't care what my opinion is, why do you care about my credibility? If you want to defend a guitar that is a joke go ahead. But I will always point out what I find silly. And this MOB is one silly product that appears to be a desperate attempt to bring young people to Ovation. Funny though, when I was a kid the Ovation that grabbed me was the Balladeer. Hey there is a concept. Someone wanting to learn to play getting a good sounding Ovation and not some funny looking joke....Paul Hebert |
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Location: SoCal | Paul:
Dont' get pissed at this, but Al is right. If you make a general statement condeming something, then you are no better than the guitar store salesperson who says that all Ovations are crap.
I'm interested in what you have to say, but back it up with some argument as to why you feel the way you do.
The MOB isn't directed at me and I doubt if I'll ever own one. But at the NAMM show, I heard Matt Smith getting great sounds out of one. And if they bring people to the Ovation name who have never been here before, then all the more power to it.
In the immortal words of that great philospher, J.T. Kirk, "Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerent". |
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I beleive deeeep down that you really like and want a MOB!! - It's O.K. - Your Adamas won't get mad.......Mike :cool: |
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Location: australia | thanks for the aussie support guys, i can think of better holiday destinations than korea too and i'll be taking my american built guitars with me when i go, i think i leave the shrips and fosters behind though. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Trboy, thanks but not thanks. Doesn't the MOB list for like 799 dollars? Unfrickenbelieveable! If I had to play that guitar, my guitar days would be over.....Paul Hebert |
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