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Location: Brighty in Blighty | I would really like to know just what Ovation were thinking/drinking/smoking when they came up with the 1993 Collectors guitar?
I mean!?
For heavens sake!
For all their knowledge and of all the guitars they've made they came up with the 93C, I'm at a loss for words.
What the hell happened? |
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Location: South of most, North of few | So....I'm really not trying to sound stupid here, but just what issue do you have with a 93c? You do own one, right? |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Other shoe please Dweezil? |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Yes I own one, look at my tag.
Who was responsible!!?!, I would love to know.
Patch - what do you mean? |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Oh yeah, I think that should be "was Ovation thinking". Proper English you know... ;) |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | OK I see what you mean. Ovation being a collective noum so it should have been "was" but you're being petty.
As an Englishman, English is not my strongest suit :(
But the question remains! |
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Location: south east Michigan | I can't tell if you're happy about it or pissed.
Either way, it's a little late to do anything about it. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | I've never owned one...or played one, but just looking at the pic and reading the specs I don't see anything particularly wrong with it.
Someone please calm our friend down. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | It's an American phrase Dweez.
"Waiting for the other shoe to drop."
It crops up when someone withholds a critical detail when asking a question. I happen to think you love your 93C, but the way you phrased your question was ambiguous.
So, are you lining out bait with a purpose or, as others seem to wonder, are you displeased in some way?
Inquiring (AKA nosy) minds want to know! :) :cool: |
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Location: Jet City | It was the first midbowl, and they did the thinline pickup with the special angled bridge, all black ebony fingerboard with the one inlay.
What's the issue? |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Patch
you know me too well! Can you really read my mind ?
YES I LOVE MY 93C!
YES I WAS BEING PARTICULARLY AMBIGUOUS!
I was being a little provocative just to try and highlight to people that the 93C is a GREAT guitar. Ovation really came up with the goods when they designed and developed the 93C.
It's perfect. The looks, the wood, the tone, the feel. Great stuff!
Now if anyone can honestly tell me the 87C is better well... |
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Location: NJ | ". . the 93C is a GREAT guitar . . "
Well, if THAT's the case, Beal'll take the "credit" . . . |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I never played a 93C, but the 87C has the mojo. |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | FOR F**** SAKE!
Stop teasing me!
87-4 are rarer then toothpaste for hens! |
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Location: Tennessee | I think I heard that Mauvais Beal and deBanjo got together and designed the '93. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You need either an 87C or a Book Elite. They may be the ultimate Elites. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | '87 is better. |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Guys!
Stop it!
Please! |
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Location: SoCal | Deep vs. Medium bowls. I've got a GC (1627) reissue and have borrowed a 30th CL. Same basic guitar except for the depth of the bowl. The 30th CL has way more power and sound. No question.
But having said that, the GC RI is a great guitar. Just not as many cajones...... |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
You need either an 87C or a Book Elite. They may be the ultimate Elites. please edit and add "cutaway" Mark.
The 1537 is the ULTIMATE Elite.
OK, fine. I'm biased :rolleyes: |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | One of each is the only way to resolve this dilemma. Damon, the 1537 is the first Elite and an icon, but I don't consider it the ultimate because there was much more development. The 87 kind of had everything thrown into it and then there doesn't seem to be much of what I consider improvement. The Book was an 87 in a different dress.
I agree with Moody on the 30th CL, but I thought dweezil was only into the multiholes. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | We were at the Trace Elliot booth hanging out with Entwhistle enjoying brandys and coffee. Earlier in the day we'd watched Gordon Giltrap try to play a little parlor guitar tuned down to C or B. It was awful and the strings flapped all about. That was the second set. Steve played with him the first and it didn't click so Gordon did the second on his own.
Then there was the jam session in the Trace booth with Steve and a young girl from Romania or Czeck with a Django style guitar and an older guy from France with an F hole archtop. They couldn't talk to each other but were playing all this kinda gypsey jazz. They were gathering a crowd and after 20 minutes John couldn't stand it so he grabs a bass and says "plug me in boys" and goes over and joins in. His fingers are flying and he's all over the place. After two minutes he leans over to Steve and says "What key are we in?". By then we had quite a crowd and the noise police came to shut it down. They saw who it was and that there was only 10 minutes left till closing time so they had a beer and watched. At closing time we shut it down and John looks at Steve and they start laughing. He said "You play that thing like Debanjo Rheinhardt" There's the name.
So the excitement was over and we walk back to the hotel, a 45 minute walk in the lovely March drizzel. As we go the comment was made "Gordon's second set sounded like shit" "Yes It did" "How about if the neck was two frets longer....." There's the long neck.
25 minutes left to go to the hotel. "What should we do for the collectors series next year?" "Bring back the shallow bowl like the Glen Campbell I was playing when I met you" "OK, good idea, and a thin line saddle for more acousticness but still able to plug in" and on and on. We designed it on the way back to the hotel. There's the 93
The only thing we didn't do was the cedar top, production was spruce. Everything else was speced out on the walk back to the hotel. Ovation had nothing to do with it, just two lunatics walking in the Frankfort rain
There it all is. Those of you who have seen my music room bathroom have seen the picture of John and Steve from that afternoon where he signed the banjo head, "Don't pick it, it will never get better" |
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Location: Jet City | Mark, honestly the 87c/book fits my style of play better with the cutaway anyway. So really, my post above was just sour grapes.
If the $ was there, I'd already have a "book". You know which one. You struggled with it yourself. I saw the wheels working in your head. (hmmm what daughter can I say this is for?... hmmm...) |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | you know it's true, you can't make shit like this up! |
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Location: Indiana | A little slice of first hand history. Very cool Beal.
So, the Long neck and 93C in 45 minutes.
Glad you guys didn't take a taxi. |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Mark! Yes, multiholes are the only way for me! |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
Ovation had nothing to do with it, just two lunatics walking in the Frankfort rain
Nice! |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | WOW! |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Jonmark...I just looked at your website and I wish I could give my Ovation bowls the brown finish you show in the pic. I know it's just in the image, but I'd do it in a heartbeat if I knew what to do.
John <>{ |
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Location: Indiana | Hey John-
If you're talking about the Viper, it's the natural mahogany. I do have an 82 Legend with one of the brown painted bowls but I don't think there's a pic there. |
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| Great story, Beal, thanks for sharing. |
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Location: NJ | yeah,yeah,yeah,blah,blah,blah,BigDeal!!! . . .
. . . s'what kind of BRANDY was it?? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Remy, is there any other? |
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Location: Scotland | Hine is pretty good too. |
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Location: Orange County, California | Originally posted by dweezil:
I would really like to know just what Ovation were thinking/drinking/smoking when they came up with the 1993 Collectors guitar?
Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
Ovation had nothing to do with it, just two lunatics walking in the Frankfort rain
There it all is. Wow!! Not just one, but TWO moments of perfect clarity on the OFC. I feel.... Complete. :p :D :p :D |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
Remy, is there any other? Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Hine is pretty good too. I wouldn't turn down a snifter of either of those. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | the good old days............. |
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| Amazing actually, Does Ovation have the first Acoustic Baritones as another of their many "First" achievements. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Probably not. I think Fender had their 6 string bass (30" scale)in the early 60's. In fact I had one strung A2A. Probably part of what got me thinking about a longer neck to get the string tension higher so they wouldn't flap about like they did on Gordon's little parlor. I don't know of any others but I'd bet Ovation wasn't the first. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Now if anyone can honestly tell me the 87C is better well... There's a -5 now living in Greece that was the best I've seen/heard/played/owned... ;) |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Great story Beal! First-hand history is an experience rarely encountered, so I always enjoy a great yarn like that! :cool:
Dweez, I've no doubt you'll get your chance to compare your 93 with an 87 (or a Book) some day. With a deal hound like you, it's only a matter of time. :p ;) |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Wasn't the 93 the first to come with factory installed string tubes? |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | string tubes? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Major design innovation... Shoulda stuck with 'em. |
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| Originally posted by dweezil:
string tubes? Yeah, Dweez. All the best sounding O's have them. Some guy who used to be here, Standingovation, was selling them as an after-market item, amazing things. Don't know what ever happened to him.
Keep a good lookout for them. If you can find them get as many as you can. |
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Location: NJ | They were tiny little tubes that facilitated re-stringing. Kept the ridges of the strings from "filing" into the wood as you slid the string thru the bridge, thereby keeping the strings' "grooves" from picking-up wood fibres.
DEFinitely made strings sound better/longer.
I MIGHT have an extra set or two lying around, I'll have to check.
Whatever HAPPENED to ThatGuy, anyway??
He just "disappeared" . . . |
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| I've still got 5 litres of the interior bowl paint. Even wood boxes sound better with a couple of coats. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | If only they hadn't engineered out all these industry firsts. Maybe then Ovation would have been able to buy Fender. |
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| So who do we blame for that? Give us a name. |
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What the hell were Ovation thinking????