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Location: Texas | Since the thread is close. I will answer one of Al's questions.
"and while I am on a roll what is up with posting Possible guitar for sale? Testing the waters? either the guitar is for sale or it isn't make up your minds already. next time I see one of those I will delete it and you can repost it with a definitive for sale or NOt for sale"
After putting my 2008 up for sale on this site - it is evident that people are afraid to buy. Saying possible sale is like testing the waters but I have come to the conclusion, we can't sell a guitar for what it is worth in this economy. If I hear "Oh if only I hadn't bought xxx guitar last week." Is that the standard PM statement? :D Also, if they have mutilple guitars - they might want to see which ones sell so they can keep the others.
I don't see a problem with saying possible sale. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Honestly, I don't get it.
Its either for sale, or it isn't. If its a question of "testing the market", the way to test is to offer it for sale at the price you want. If it sells, it sells. If it doesn't sell, it doesn't. Either way, you will know where the market is.
But saying "I'm thinking about selling this or that", and getting a bunch of replies along the lines of "I'm thinking about buying this or that" really tells you nothing. Lots of people are happy to talk about buying.
Talk is cheap. I'm not interested in hearing about what someone is thinking about buying. I'm interested in finding out who is ready to throw down the cash. And there is no way to know unless you are playing for keeps. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Kind of like my 2080 being on ebay. Last week someone came in with a BIN. BUT....he had zero feedback and has now not responded to any emails. :mad: :mad: :mad: I tracked him down on the internet, and if it didn't appear that he had mob ties, would threaten a hit. ;)
So....maybe that is a "possible sale"?
Anyway, I guess to me it hardly matter if the term possible is in the post. I am wishy washy on selling my 1537, so it is possible I would sell if the mood and price were right, but honestly I have inquired about a trade a couple of times only to get cold feet....that is definately a "possible sale". :D :D |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | I don't get it. If the guy doesn't want "possible sale" posts on his board .... don't post it. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Seems pretty straight forward to me. |
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Location: NJ | thank you for your concern vision.
I don't need lectures about the economy. I am sitting on almost 20 guitars that were bought with the intent of being purchased by customers (many on this board) that I am sitting on because they purchased the guitars elsewhere or for a fiver less.
it is simple if the guitar is for sale it is for sale. if it is not for sale then it is not for sale.
Post the item post a price. If someone likes it they will contact you and purchase it.
if this is not acceptable I may suggest e bay and craigslist. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Maybe I'm too analytical, but posting it FOR SALE does not mean you're obligated to sell it. If somebody offers you less than you want just say "no thanks". |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Maybe I'm too analytical, but posting it FOR SALE does not mean you're obligated to sell it. If somebody offers you less than you want just say "no thanks". Sounds reasonable to me...... |
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Location: Location Location Location | From the buyer's perspective, it frustrates me to no end to see the word 'possible' on an ad. If I see it's up for grabs, and I can negotiate a deal, I want to grab it. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Like others have said.
No need to say "possible". Just post your price and if someone agrees, consider it sold. If they offer less, then pass. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Another option to "test the waters" is to put a price, but add that "reasonable offers accepted." All bases covered. But it's pretty black'n white... it's either for sale or it isn't. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I believe in sh!tting or getting off the pot.
Just list the item with the phrase
"$XXX.00, or best offer." If they don't meet your reserve, then that's it.
But with this board, at least for the things, I've sold here, if you are serious, just list it for the minimum price you are willing to take, if some reason no one here wants it then go to ebay or craig's list. I always felt that you should give the people here a discount as being ovation boosters. At least that's what I've done with the things I've sold here. |
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Location: Texas | Not giving you a lecture Al - just stating the obvious about the economy. I guess those 20 guitars were from people that possibly wanted them and then backed out. Sorry you were stuck with them.
I just threw my opinion out there that it doesn't bother me if someone says, this guitar is possibly for sale. How many of us look at the boat load of guitars we have and don't think, I could possibly sale this one. 9 times out of 10, when someone uses the "Possibly" word, two days later, you see that the guitar was sold.
An4340 - I think it is good to give OFC members discounts but when you get an offer of 1,800 for a 2008 Collectors - I don't think so.
So before I offend anyone - New Mantra - $XXXX or best offer. Best offers are ridiculous. Here and on Ebay. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Gotta agree on the OBO. You just gave away any bargaining chip you might have by saying "MY PRICE IS RIDICULOUS" so make me an offer.
I do like the new ebay "BEST OFFER" option. You post your BIN but if someone wants to offer you less you can consider it. It also allows for automatic acceptance or decline based on the price parameters you enter. I think it is pretty slick. On the other hand, think about it to long or offer less than is acceptable and you run the risk of someone else snatching it at the BIN! |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Just about all of my guitars a "Possibly for Sale" if you offer me enough money! :D
[$10,000 you can get them All!... Aw, I'll be reasonable... $9,000 you can have them all!] |
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Location: Texas | LOL Arthur :D |
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Location: ms | All things being said its just a bad time to be selling guitars. Its not even that good a time to be buying them. |
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Location: Texas | Actually, if you have the money and the economy isn't affecting you, it is a great time to be buying - there are a lot of desperate people out there. Sad but true! |
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Location: ms | I haven`t see too many people droping their prices much if any. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Its all about making a decision. If you are iffy about selling, that just means you aren't sure how much you want. Set your price high and see what happens.
On the topic of soft pricing decisions, this reminds me of one of the best business ideas I ever heard.
The context was a 50/50 partnership that I got into years ago. The question was how to decide when and for how much one partner could buy out the other. Our attorney gave us a simple answer: At any time, one of the partners could declare his price. The other partner then had 90 days to either buy or sell at that price.
Just another version of the old "you slice, I pick" thing from when we were kids. |
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Location: Texas | That is when you email them - when you see that guitar has been listed 4 times - they just might take less than you think. One thing I would not do though, is insult them with a ridiculous offer |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I've submitted a few "ridiculous" offers and have been pleasantly shocked when they were accepted.
Never hurts to ask. If they don't like the offer they can just decline. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I always ask the seller if that's the best they can do, in face to face negotiations, if they respond with something like, what do you have in mind, then I insult them with a low price. Believe it or not, it works, but you gotta have balls to do it, and the seller's permission to do it to them. If they're not smart enough to come up with a number, they get what they deserve. |
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Location: Texas | I am sure it works at times - I am not saying it is bad low "balling" the offer but I would not consider them "not smart enough" by taking a low offer. They just might be in a world of hurt in terms of money. I am sure they know they are taking a beating. I also don't think they are getting what they deserve simply because they might need the money more than the guitar.
Oh, you are from NY - never mind LOL |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | One person's ridiculous is another's reasonable offer. I was a little ashamed when I made an offer for my 87C, but it was literally all I had left in the fund....and she said that's what she had hoped to get out of it anyway! |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Rule Number 1 in business is "Don't say 'No' for the other guy."
It never hurts to ask. |
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Location: Texas | Never hurts to ask but what does "Don't say No for the other guy" mean? lol
Patch - you got a great deal and that was what she was hoping for - a win win situation. You didn't screw her to the wall - that was the money she wanted for that guitar. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | My motto is never sell anything out of desperation.
If you think desperate times my be coming, then sell things off before you reach that point. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I'm saving my Orange Flame T for desperate times...
But you can have it today for $800!
Someone said that people "aren't lowering their prices"...
Maybe true, but I have notice some very nice guitars at Very Good prices getting relisted repeatedly.
This is not good.
A 'bear' market is the time to buy, but that is assuming you have the money NOW and can afford to wait. |
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Location: Texas | I have seen some great guitars not being bought - they might seem expensive on the listing at $4,000 until you realise that the guitar is really worth $6,000.00. 4 Grand sounds like a lot until you realize you will have a guitar worth $2,000 more -and someday this economy mess will turn around and you could make a great profit......but I think it won't turn around for 12 or 18 months. If you can come up with the money and hold out for those months to pass - buy high end guitars now. Just do your research first. :D |
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Location: NJ | the last half dozen custom order prices I got back were really expensive. I bet if you hold on to a guitar in about 6 months you will find people wanted to buy any USA made ovation. |
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Location: Texas | I hope you are right Al. :) WE just need this economy back on track.
Have a good evening Al |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | One other thing to remember about negotiating . . . if a continuing rlationship between buyer and seller (contractor/client,employer/employee, husband/wife, etc.) is important, then it is best to collaborate on the agreement and not irritate one another to the point that a continuing relationship is not possible. We call this enlarging the shadow of time when encouraging collaboration. It may be necessary to give a little this time around because next time, you may get a little more in the negotiation. This is how trust is built, but it only applies when further negotiations are likely in the future. |
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possible guitar sales?