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Location: SE Michigan | Would you like to see an Open/General Discussion Forum on the OFC?
Assuming we would still keep it generally about Ovations and music, also following the moderator's other guidelines, but loosen up the reins on tabboo subjects just a bit. Would you like to see such a forum? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | This is not the place.
Sometimes a few people take things a little too personal.
Light Jabs, a little innuendo and the occasional fart joke are fine. Political and Religious debate do not belong here. Graphic violence or nudity are out of place as well.
If I ever post something that "PO's" someone they should email me and take it in that venue. |
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Location: Nîmes, south of France | I just voted, same answer than MWoody !
And i find myself to be sometimes too personal.
This is NO with a big smile, i think we must stay in the spirit of what is said in the "Welcome page" !!
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Have to say "no" as well; sure there can be tolerable leakage into other non-music areas but not too often.
What brings us together is our love of ovation guitars and music. Let's not lose our focus. |
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Location: New Hampsha | I voted in the minority for two reasons:
1) The open forum would not require any more work for the moderators, who seem to be struggling to keep up. (Good Job, guys!) This board should not strain Miles or Al or cut into their fambly life. So having the open forum might move the inflammatory stuff off the main board and ease their load. I assume it would be restricted access?
2) I'd probably never go there; I come for the guitars (and sometimes the llamas) and would welcome an area to dump all the OT stuff - it cleans up the area where I frequent. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Originally posted by Rick an4340:
... Let's not lose our focus. Bingo!
My humble opinion...
Miles and Al have a great "product" here.. a very well focused forum for us to discuss music, and O's and A's new and old. Sure there is the occasional tangent, but they are usually in the name of keeping things fun.
Any "Open Discussion" forum on this site would have to be closely moderated to keep it civil. To do otherwise would sully the good reputation this site and the OFC has today. You can't just say, "Here is an open forum, and it's a free-for-all." What would take place in that forum would have as much impact (or more!) on how the OFC is perceived as the primary forums. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I stayed out of the intial thread because I hoped it would go away....that said......
One of the reasons this forum is so enjoyable is that it is very hard to actually piss other members off because of the basic rules that keep up all in line. Having a section that would allow unbridled hatred, racism, religion, or politics would somehow spill over into the main forum and kill the overall family atmosphere that has developed here over the years.
I may not agree with everything Al or Miles do but I certainly respect the effort and overall atmosphere that has been created on this site.
I voted NO for the above reasons and if some of the OFC members want to talk about the above topics, there are hundreds of sites they can travel to.
Al/Miles.....way to hang tough and keep this a friendly watering hole! |
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Location: SoCal | I lurked for seven or eight months before joining primarily to see what the content and direction was of the OFC...sorry, I don't have time for a site that isn't focused on guitars specific, music in general. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | I am a resounding NO as well. Truth is, so called open forums rarely are truly open to genuine thought and dialogue.
I will be honest, I believe what I believe, and no "open debate" is going to change my mind on those issues (yes, Bible based Christianity is one), rather it ends up turning into a bash and ridicule session which I will just politely bow out of.
On guitar's and music related issues (perhaps not genre), I appreciate advise and experience from everyone regardless of their religious views may differ from mine. So...I agree...stay focused.
This may not be an appropriate example, but I will toss it out:
I used to belong to two forums related to a type specific airplane. One was anything goes, unsupervised and open. The other moderated by several experts in the aircraft and while there was a "jokes" and an "everthing else" section, for the most part, the discussions were kept focused. Inside of a year, the open forum became a place for "heresay", rumors and unfounded gossip to reign supreme, and when one of the experts (who participated on both) called foul on a particular piece of potentially dangerous bad advice, they were slammed as self-serving know-it-alls and told to go away if they couldn't be "open-minded".
I recently checked back into the "open forum" and it has been little but several months of name calling with all the real experts having moved exclusively over to the "controlled" forum.
So...my opinion comes from some experience.
But...it is ONLY my opinion. |
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Location: Maryland, USA | Sorry Brian, but I voted no, because I would HATE to see this place become a forum where it's all about the off topic section, and not enough about the guitars.
I see that happen to too many forums, where their main goal is swiped out of the way because the off topic forum is either the center, or drives out the people who'd like to write in the standard topic sections.
My 2 cents ;) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I voted a resounding NO. I love this forum just the way it is. My only regret is that it places such a burden on Miles and Al. Don't change it. If any of us, me included, goes over the line the moderators will slap us back in shape. That's their role.
Keep in mind that WE (the members) do not own this site. We have NO rights whatsoever. Al and Miles own this and they can set whatever rules they want. They can delete, ban, edit, close whatever the hell they want to, for whatever reason (or no damn reason at all). Them's the rules. Maybe instead of busting Al's and Miles balls over this kind of stuff we should be kissing their asses for providing us (for FREE) a safe haven to hang out and discuss our interests in Ovations and loosely related topics.
Sure, I've made suggestions to Al and Miles - change a font here, new color there, add some categories, ban the commercialism, change the into page (christ it's 5 years old), etc. But if none of it gets changed, that's fine with me. I'll continue to thank god/satan every single day for this place being available to me.
Keep up the good work Al and Miles.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I think we need more fart jokes. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by cwk2:
I think we need more fart jokes. Finally someone who understands MY point of view! :D |
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Location: Upper Left USA | And feel free to air your differences as well! |
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Location: SE Michigan | Well it looks like the Red States have carried the day and the majority has spoken. Time to let this subject trickle down the message list into the archives. You can't say I did'nt try.
Any advice on improving my ability to make armpit-fart noises?
Thanks guys |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Lick the palm of your hand first. Dave |
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Location: south east Michigan | Well it looks like the Red States have carried the day Let's talk about that on Thursday. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Any advice on improving my ability to make armpit-fart noises?"
Learn to sweat like Templeman! |
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Location: Vermont USA | I firmly believe that if its not broke don't fix it.
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Location: SE Michigan | I firmly believe that if its not broke don't fix it. The forum or the arm-pit noises? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I voted no, big surprise right?
Actually I made a couple of points in a recent email that I thought really summed up the reasoning behind our little guidelines..
My comments are below, but I wanted to point out one of the funniest things I've read on here in a long time...
"a very well focused forum for us to discuss music, and O's and A's new and old. Sure there is the occasional tangent,...."
I'm surprised no one else picked up this.. :)
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I would love to have the "corner bar" thing, but as much as some can show restraint, we have those who can not and will not. They have proven time and time again they can't. So why restrict everyone else? Simple... when those same people are talking guitars, especially Ovation guitars, they are an invaluable asset. When talking religion or politics, they are right and everyone who thinks different is wrong, and they will fight to the death, forsaking all else.
Comment #2:
As far as the bathroom humor, I dont really get it and although we try we just don't always catch it, but even when it comes along, it's usually very short lived. Not always, but usually. The difference in how it's handled is a little based on the potential result. Bad humor or foul language, although offensive to some, tends to evoke comments (typed or not) of "I'm disgusted" or "that's just childish." However, Politics and Religion for some results in full on hatred.
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Lick the palm of your hand first. Dave Lick your armpit first
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Location: Maryland, USA | EDIT: Issue solved, no need for this post to cause any more trouble. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Hey Brian, I think that you misinterpreted the voting. It has nothing to do with red/blue state issues. The majority here want to keep this site primarily Ovation/guitar/music oriented, with an occasional "off topic" provided that it is within the (mostly unwritten and very loose) guidelines.
The members here have spoken. We don't want this forum to become a place where people can rant about anything they want to.
I'm a New York lawyer and not a "red" state guy. Stephen is right. Don't assume political views from the voting. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Hmmmmmm....I thought the red states comment referred to a communistic rule......certainly didn't connect it to Repubs vs Dems. |
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Location: SE Michigan | You seem to just assume too many things in your backhand comments, and honestly it's starting too irritate me. Wow Miles, I think I am beginning to see the light!
Sorry for the offense! |
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Location: Snellville, GA | I live in a red state but that's as far as the resemblance goes...I voted no along with the republicans. ;) |
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Location: SE Michigan | OK, so I think I finally understand. As a diverse group of individuals we have to communicate using the lowest common denominator; or as a Network Engineer would say, the lowest common protocol or layer of the OSI model.
Which I am guessing is fart noises. :D (rim shot) |
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Location: San Angelo, Texas | If I wanted to deal with a bunch of political crap, I would still be on church staff... :)
Al and Miles have done a VERY good job of saving us from ourselves and keeping this a pleasant place to come, relax, read, laugh, think and from time to time even help each other.
Just do the music...and the occasional fart joke :)
Am I the only one that noticed Sammy and Sasha's matching T's???? :cool: |
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Location: NJ | Yeah, I noticed them.
They reminded me that I've been needing to get the pads on my brakes looked at . . . |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I live in a Green, White and Blue state. The lower mountains and plains are a beautiful green. The mountain tops are still covered in white. The water in the Sound and many lakes, resovoirs and fjords are varying shades of blue.
Those are the only colors that matter. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Normally, I hate being in the majority, but not this time. I found this forum doing research on Ovation guitars, of all things, and have found it to be an almost daily source of amusement and information since. I frankly don't need to hear any of your opinions on politics or religion and you don't need mine. I get enough of that in unsolicited emails. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by cliff:
Yeah, I noticed them.
They reminded me that I've been needing to get the pads on my brakes looked at . . . You do of course realize that they are only 15 :eek: |
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Location: NJ | Annoyance knows no age limit . . . |
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| Brian I hate to see you get miffed and leave for any reason. With that said; I have to say I applaud your general conviction concerning your feelings about the way some threads are nixed. Let me repeat that, kinda... I agree that there are times when the actions of the moderators on many web sites need to be protested. I also know you were not the guy who started the thread in question. But it is a fact that each of us has our own opinions and we are all guilty of some discretion of overstepping a boundry or two, at some time in the past, while voicing our thoughts about some post we most likly had no reason to get invloved in to begin with. I know I have, more than once... And this can easily get out of hand. This group is better than most. I'd say???
I have not voted it seems to me the outcome does not really matter...... Does it???
This is a web site that was created by two guy's who had a like for an instrument company and they did not sell stock to make this some sort of a half-assed, wacky, guitarists, stock holders democracy. I say Miles and Al have done a fantastic job at keeping this thing alive and well. And I am sure you do to....I hope no one thinks your totally against what Al & Miles are doing here. Sometimes these mistakes in translation can become a fact in the readers head.
So back to the topic (and that's all this is...a topic) It does not add much to the love of Ovations if your a Bush Fan or if you want to see him Burn....Now does it really??? Nope.
So my hope is, that this site remains as it is and is monitored much the same as it has been so far. These guy's have enough to deal with than the constant monitoring of this site simply because they allow the almost perfect catylist for bad feelings or open forum rivalries and nasty comments or people who are offended because of the age of those who visit here (young) or personal beliefs......and that is.... Politics, Religion, and Sexually explicit messages...
Now I personally think there were at least three specific posts that I made that should have been edited just because of my use of the nasty language. I get fairly ticked at times and I'd have to say these guy's really showed some tolerance for the verbal abuse I let spew.... and also recieved. I trust them to decide what they want. As I see it it is their Site. That says it all for me..
When I was younger and into my teenage, opinionated, years......I remember my Father saying; "we don't talk about politics or religion at the dinner table. It tends to ruin the conversations, at the least, and at most it can ruin good friendships, or My Go&&am Dinner! and then he went on to explain.... "In case you didn't know it I am still the one in this family buying the dinners" Get it... I did....
So for what little that may be worth please don't piss off any friends or family here I still like the dinner that's being provided. And I don't say that just to you Brian......that's for us all including myself.
Now.... you'll have to see Cliff or Al or any of the guy's from Jersey about the armpit noises. I'm a NYS boy and we never were good a getting the chicks using that technique! We would just play guitar when we were on stage.
And Brian... don't worry about the lack of support either. You have to figure at least half of us are sucking up to Al or Miles to try and get a better deal on another guitar. Now that's funny right there!
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Location: Vermont USA | A couple of things 1. Armpit noise why, when one can pull the finger of someones Grandfather and have the real thing. 2 Red and blue states I live in the state of confusion, and I'm happy. When I'm feeling blue I just breathe.
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I think the question was well worth asking and the responses, regardless of pro/con are welcomed.
I visit two other chat sites regularly; one is a Canadian political chat site. I don't think I'd want to meet anyone from the political chat site here, nor they me...if they're guitar players. (if anyone from that site is here and we recognize each others sig or style, I'm sure we ignore the situation.) I don't take my music issues there and I don't want to discuss my politics here.
I also don't s**t where I eat. It just makes sense.
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And I don't need an armpit to make fart noises...the real thing works whenever I need it. On pitch and with the beat. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | We are living in a uniquely challenging time. It is understandable in a democracy that we would struggle to make sense and ultimately form a coherent policy given the nature of our troubles. I am not surprised to see political passions heat up. That's understandable. I'm sure that everyone here who is inclined to toss in a political comment, and particularly those who are really energized by their political views, will find ample opportunities to voice those views in a more appropriate place.
Paul Begalla said it pretty well: As an exercise, try to form a coherent argument for the "other side". If you find that you can not, then you are probably getting a little over the edge. I firmly believe that we should start from the position that EVERYONE is acting from good and noble intentions. As a nation (apologies to our non-US readers) we have a lot of tough decisions to make over the next few years. It will be better for all of us if we listen to each other a little more, and hate each other a lot less.
With that in mind, I really hope this forum remains a sanctuary, away from all the troubles of the day. It is a pleasure to be able to escape into the world of guitars from time to time. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Originally posted by Omaha:
... With that in mind, I really hope this forum remains a sanctuary, away from all the troubles of the day. Omaha, you nailed it with the word sanctuary.. music -- and this community -- is the place I come to when I want to escape from work, politics, the evening news, and screaming 2-year-olds. |
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Location: SoCal | I don't really have anything to add to this, but it's becoming a long thread and I'd hate to think that I hadn't contributed anything to it....... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Moody,
In a John Wayne/Dean Martin kind of way - I love you man! |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | .....Now go and smoke you a cigar! ;) |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Killroy was here :eek: :D |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I haven't bothered reading this thread, but I've read the threads that have lead up to it.
I think this forum does what it does and does it better than any other.
If you want this forum to be something else, go somewhere else or create something else.
There are other vessels for other forums.
Get over it.
My hat off to Miles and Al for sticking to their guns and standing firm.
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| "My hat off to Miles and Al for sticking to their guns and standing firm."
They're armed?
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Location: Bluffton, SC | And how else would they be able to make their fart noises...? |
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Location: Lebanon, TN | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
...but I wanted to point out one of the funniest things I've read on here in a long time...
"a very well focused forum for us to discuss music, and O's and A's new and old. Sure there is the occasional tangent,...."
I'm surprised no one else picked up this.. :)
"...the odd Celebrity, a smattering of Applause, members of the Elite, but we are all part of the Matrix....woah...heavy man!" :D
Does that work Miles?
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Oh and I voted No! |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think the point was Eclipsed by the Storm brewing. Do think it's a Hurricane or just a Tornado? Has anyone else witnessed the Thunderhead?
This is what happens when you are no longer a Breadwinner. Maybe I should visit a Preacher... uh... oh... may have to slap my own wrist for that. |
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Location: NJ | . . . at least the bathroom humour was funny . . . |
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Location: Scotland | Ignore him, he's a Legend in his lunchtime. This will all be folklore soon, or may incite an angry MOB. Or maybe I'm just A-dumb-ass
I think I'll stick to fart gags. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Fart gag. The ultimate effect/goal of a Flatuator.
That's funny... |
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Location: Lebanon, TN | Oh dear god what have I done :eek: !!!!!!
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