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Location: NJ | OK I know I am not the only person watching this train wreck on tv.
what are your opinions?
isn't tommy lee a nutcase?
gilby clarke? not my idea of a lead guitarist.
jason newsted? too nice and talented to be hooked up with the other losers.
dalana? no way too punk and hardcore. Strong in the beginning but the last few shows her performances were embarassing.
storm large? hot bim, ugly tatoos, not the voice for a hard rock band but could handle some REAL singing chores
mahvi or whatever his name is? my choice for the winner. consistently strong vocals and performances and would fit the band. Plus he is from iceland home of the hottest bims on the planet.
lucas? too goth
toby? too canadian
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Sorry for the tangent, but my thoughts... buy a TiVo and only record what you really want to watch. Then watch it when you want to, and skip the commercials, so you get to watch an hour-long show in 45 minutes or less.
Before TiVo, I found that the shows that I wanted to watch weren't on at the time I had available to sit down at the TV. And trying to find something good during those times was an exercise in frustration.
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Location: Oregon | None of those guys in the band are Rock n' Roll. I hate them all. Give me a break Tommy Lee, you were in a crap band and took the fame away from the Real metal bands/guitarists who should have gotten the fame and ruined peoples look on metal.
On that note, y'all see the video where Yngwie Malmsteen buys and old Fender like a 60 something for 6000, then throws it in his car with the store owners watching? I laughed so hard. It was in the case...it was fine. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | My brother's been watching...all I know is that I can't imagine a band going anywhere (assuming the "reality" part of the show isn't just for TV ratings this year) where they pick a lead singer after the rest of the band has already written most of their music. It would be like buying an entire wardrobe worth of expensive clothing you couldn't return, without knowing the size (or gender) of the person you're buying it for!
Not to mention, you're talking about musicians who, don't get me wrong, do have talent, but come on...what straight non-screwed-the-head person actually WANTS to go see Tommy Lee in concert? Personally, I have no interest in watching it if for no other reason than the freaks like Tommy and Dave Navarro that just bother me to the core.
Look at it practically; these guys were big news before, and could be again rightfully, but were not even the mainline performers in the bands that made them famous. On top of which, how many popular rock bands does everyone know the lead singer of? Tons! People know Scott Stapp, Chad Kroger, Steven Tyler, Sammy Hagar, and so on...but ask any normal person who the drummer is in those bands...nothing but blank looks. Assuming the whole show is not just another show, they're banking on the success of a band being based on a gimmick-picked lead singer and a bunch of older guys who once upon a time played with Guns & Roses, Metallica...bottom line is, now, who is really going to care?
IMHO, the whole thing is a farce, just like American Idol, and if this band actually releases more than one CD, I will eat my own hat! |
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Location: Houston, Texas | I haven't a clue what you all are talking about.
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My favorite is actually Toby (from Aussie not Canada ) but Magni is kick ass also. Wish I could sing half as good as either one of them.
I also loved the comment made by Lucas who said singing on the show was great because before it, he usually sang for empty beer bottles and ashtrays!
Hated to see Storm leave the show tonight since she definatly had a strong performance and original song the night before.....even hate more the thought of not seeing that hottie in her tank tops!!!!! |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Agreed. When Storm left the building, I did too. Navarro, Lee, et. al. have turned into a parody of themselves. My money says the band throws out a quick and lousy CD, tours for six months and everybody goes home. |
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Location: CT | Originally posted by edensharvest:
ask any normal person who the drummer is in those bands...nothing but blank looks. Bands have drummers? |
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Location: NJ | ". . your thoughts? . ."
I think we need to take up a collection to purchase "a Life" for you guys to pass around and share.
"Corporate-Rock" was/is bad enough.
THIS is "Corporate/Network, Demographic, Whiney, HighDrama, WhiteTrash, Pre-Packaged, Bad Karaoke-Rock".
I play in a bad cover band every weekend.
I don't need t'tune in a couple times a week to watch somebody else do it (badly) between commercial breaks.
While we're at it . . . any opinions as to whether "TheView" is better/worse with "Rosie" as opposed to "Star"??
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Glad I don't watch TV hardly ever, cuz reality TV really bites. And reality TV with that idiot Tommy Lee would be even worse :) |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | I'm with Joyful Noise on this one; but having read what's been posted so far, I can skip this particular musical offering without a second thought--thanks for making it so easy.
--Karen and the crew
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Location: PDX | Well, i didn't watch any of it, except the first performance of Storm. Pissed me off a bit that she was singing rough R&R. You should hear this gal sing sultry standards in an intimate setting. Her Summer Time can bring tears to your eyes. Although, i have to admit i was amazed that she could pull it off. A testament to her artistic depth.
Selfishly, it's nice to hear she's been evicted. Now she can come back home to Portland and settle back into Wilf's lounge. Hopefully, without a new found entourage and a bunch of TV groupies.
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | OK, I have one basic thought:
These reality shows are retarded. If you watch them you learn nothing. In fact, instead of information going in, the process is reversed and your brains get sucked out. |
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No, it's not what a Cub Scout sleeps on. It's your exercise over what you want to sieve through your brain. |
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That would be "Witko". |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | You guys dissing a show you appear to have never watched is quite similar to the wood box snobs who condemn Ovations without ever playing the USA made ones.
I agree that I would never waste my time on Survior, Big Brother, Biggest Loser, etc (and yes I did at least watch one of each before condemning them) but since I love music, I find Rockstar to be entertaining and the performers are each very talented in their own way. |
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Location: NJ | sorry guys, I am a tv junkie. better than being a junkie, junkie but if phil hooks me up with the morphine, then I will let you know.
as for the show, it is entertainment, just like cartoons, etc. If i quit the day and watch a couple of mindless shows at night and laugh at the losers and lust after the bims, what's the harm?
I know I should be playing my guitar more or even better just changing the strings. |
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Location: NJ | ". . dissing a show you appear to have never watched . ."
If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't have commented.
He asked for "thoughts", and that's what I gave . . .
btw:
Clay Aiken called . . . said he wants his(oh, never mind) . . . |
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Also, sorry about giving Clay Aiken your phone number. He assured me that you had been like a father (or was it priest) to him and "consoled" him many times in his hours of need! |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by cliff:
btw:Clay Aiken called . . . said he wants his . . . virginity back? |
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Just more thoughts...
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I've been watching it. I like it. I would like Dilana to win as it would make Supernova interesting. Having seen their songs with a good male vocal just delivering the lines, as good as they are, one needs more to be successful today.
As far as the "6-month tour and they'll be a memory" comment (I paraphrased).. I'd take it. Not to mention the royalties from the show... cool.. sign me up.
As far as the band itself, I think Tommy, Jason and Gilby are the unsung heroes of the bands they are most associated with. Tommy "makes" the Crue, Gilby was stuck in the shadow of Slash, and Jason is the only real musician in Metallica as far as I'm concerned. I think it's cool they got together, and I like the tracks I've heard so far. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Oh... and... "what straight non-screwed-the-head person actually WANTS to go see Tommy Lee in concert?"
ME!!! I'm sorry, but anyone who plays a full kit, 20 feet above the stage that's spinning and rotating and doesn't throw-up or miss a beat, is ok with me. |
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Location: SoCal | rotating... did Buddy Rich do it first? |
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gilby replaced izzy stradlin in Guns and roses. Izzy wrote all their hit tunes. the band when down hill after that and FAST. |
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| Have seen about twenty minutes of three or four shows?? THe people they have doing the auditioning are interesting and I give them credit for their efforts. I do not find the show keeps me entertained for long. It usually reminds me I have a difficult part of a bass line or guitar piece I need to go work on and that is what I do. Navaro with his little devil beard is an ASS CLOWN......he reminds me of a guy I was in a band with a long time ago. He was a coke'r (for show) and a drunk (because he was) and a perfect ASS all the time. Girls loved him though. Ohh how they love to be used....and abused...never understood it....we played together for about 4 months, then it all fell apart, Thank God! I should-a knocked that big basketball head of his through the wall back then. Navaro reminds me that chances only come round once. I hope he gets a herpie right on the middle of his big basketball forehead!!!!
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| Dilana is a trainwreck. Yuck! You can see her inability to get along with anyone. If Dilana wins we can start wagering on how long the first tour lasts before the group disbands. I find most of the "love" between the contestants to look fake and poorly acted. You know, when someone refers to their "family" as they look upon the snarling competition. I'm a little surprised by what I perceive as a strong Lesbian cloud over several of the female singers who have come and gone on the show, not that there's anything wrong with that, but not what I would picture as a possibility to front these guys. I was surprised when this show began because the previous year's INXS was a ratings disaster. It's not great television-- ok, it's not even good television -- but it isn't any worse than any other reality crapola. Brooke our hostess has the real talent. The Dave Navarro worship is interesting. Terms like great and talented get thrown around without any meaning whatsoever. I love the way they tell the outgoing contestant how incredible they are. Very tacky show, but why not? The houseband has really rocked on some classic tunes. |
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Location: NJ | You guys start discussing "WifeSwap" or "SuperNanny" and I am SO "off" of this Board . . . |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by cliff:
You guys start discussing "WifeSwap" or "SuperNanny" and I am SO "off" of this Board . . . PROMISES PROMISES
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | As many different topics as there are posters, in my experience. You may not have reality TV shows in england...I don't think a government run broadcaster would do anything like that. Either too much artsy fartsy taste, or not enough love of the bottom line.
They're cheap and nasty tv shows where, instead of expensive talent, you have free volunteer gonzos who will humiliate themselves in any way neccessary to gain their 15 minutes of fame. Only one of the participants, the winner, ever gets paid.
A million dollar prize, once per season, instead of $100,000 per episode per major cast member. and it has a reasonable audience. You do the math... |
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| We have them all. I just don't watch them. (And without getting too nationalistic here, I think we sent you most of them. I apologise) |
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Location: Texas | I do have TiVo, and started recording the Rockstar shows, and watch at my convenience.
I think the House Band really rocks.
Earlier I predicted that the winner would be either Dilana or Magni. Currently I predict the winner will be Toby.
I don't particularly like Tommy Lee, but he has not diminished the show for me.
I like all the Gibson guitars featured, they must have some kind of "brand placement" contract with the show. Also they recently did a segment at the Gibson showcase in L.A.
Ryan, who was dismissed, threw a $3000 USD Gibson Les Paul Custom during one performance. Dave Navarro dared someone to do it, then when Ryan threw the guitar, Navarro said "that was expensive to do". No kidding, Dave, you asked for it. Made me almost cry, I'd love to have that guitar (pre-breakage), it would be a keeper. Yes I like Gibsons!
I find myself liking the show, I wonder if there will be a "Season 3" of it.
(edit): And, I wonder how Dilana hurt her leg?
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And, I wonder how Dilana hurt her leg?
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | DILANA is a true, authentic talent. Effed up, but aren't most lead singers in rock? I don't think her voice is amazing, but it's got character, range, and she is a natural front woman. She gave really good, captivating performances each and every time for a good portion of the episodes (until recently). She's an authentic rocker...she lives it, and not as a part time lifestyle. Frankly, with all her exposure on the show, I think she's purposely blowing it as to persue a solo career. She doesn't need Supernova at this point. I think she is the best choice for this particular band, but I think Toby is the front runner in the band's eyes. Dilana can pull off different styles of rock songs, and engage the audience each time.
MAGNI is a good singer, but REALLY boring. He sings everything the same way and it gets old. Again, his voice isn't amazing, it's just good. There's nothing really unique about him. (YAWN)
LUKAS is an interesting personality and captivating to watch, but it's not an authentic performance. He's trying too hard, and he's not the best singer. He's passionate though. I think he would limit the commercial viability of what the band is going for.
TOBY. Hmmm. From the first episode I thought he would win, though I personally find his voice one dimensional. He's got a range, a good rock style voice, and really engages the audience. His original song was fun.
TOMMY is the Paula Abdul of this competition (YAWN). When it comes to saying anything of value he's wasting everyone's time. I enjoy his drumming, but could care less about the drum solo antics.
GILBY and JASON seem like decent guys. So their careers were on hold, and now they are more known. YAY.
I don't consider music competitions as reality TV in the same way as the OSBOURNES or stuff like that. As commercially pathetic and contrived as IDOL and ROCKSTAR may be, they're opening up the ears of the general public and making them listen more carefully to music. Everyone's a freakin' couch music critic now...and it makes for interesting chat around the water cooler, as non musicians now participate. For me, it's better than someone flapping his lips about last night's game, and it certainly is better than Star Search ever was. Should Ed replace Dave? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Nice summary Johnny.
Your thoughts on Dilana are very similar to what many have written about Storm.....so feel that she actually pulled out of the competition because of other more "interesting" offers.
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Location: NJ | sorry but Dalani butchered "I want you to want me " and "psycho killer" the week before. horrible is too kind.
sorta like the kid that killer baba o'riley. you need pipes to pull off that song. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | And to add to what Johnny said... good bad or indifferent (we all have opinions) there is ROCK MUSIC on PRIME TIME TV for at least 2 hours each week.
As for the talent, I really can't say much. They are doing their thing to an INTERNATIONAL audience. If you look at the message boards, they each have huge numbers of fans that are totally smitten to the point that most like "their" artist more than any of the SuperNova guys. Storm will be on the Ellen show monday, and I'm sure the others will get tons of press also. Their doing what they love, and getting paid for it. Hard to knock it. |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by Gary K:
Currently I predict the winner will be Toby.
-Gary K That they chose Lukas was a surprise, I didn't see that coming.
I hope they all do well. SN will touring with the House Band. If I went to their concert I would be going to hear the House Band. :D
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | For me, Lucas's movement and stage act got old very quickly. He was visually exciting but after a few performances you had seen all the moves. I also thought that although I liked his voice, it was the least versatle of the remaining three. His version of the SN original was nowhere near as good as Toby's for the same song. Plus like Al mentioned earlier, Lucas was too goth for the music that SN appears to be writing.
Dalana's stage performances were always varied and fun to watch and I think she could have been entertaining over 90 minutes. I think what ultimately killed her was that she got totally toasted and had to be carried out during the Vegas trip and the fact that Gilby did not care for her song writing.....also, I don't know if the band ever really "seriously" considered a woman to front the band.
I thought Toby was the crowd favorite and definately agreed with Jason's comments that his vocals were the only ones that consistently cut through the music. He was my personal favorite of the three finalists with Dalana 2nd and Lucas 3rd. |
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Location: NJ | I was shocked Magni was the first to go. then i thought about it and realized that they don't want someone that will fit in with the rest of the band. his age and look and his ability as a guitar player was perfect. it was lame that they told him he was too much part of the band then front of the band. I would have done anything for lead singers that just wanted to be PART of a band.
toby I thought would have won at this point. I was shocked to see him second to leave.
Dalana's last few performances were just lame but I guess they went on the strength of the early performances and ultimately the public voting so it really insulated them from making a real decision.
now I look at lucas and it makes sense. he is younger than the rest of them and may pull in some of that teen idol market selling more records then it probably should.
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Location: GA USA | I was shocked. I walked into the house just as the show was going off. I asked my wife who won and she said "dog boy". |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Hadn't thought about the teen market segment. Makes sense....Delana might have pulled a few women into the fold but the reputation of TL probably had that covered.
I thought the biggest snag Magni would face was because of his newborn baby and wife, both living in Finland. The other 3 had no ties or significant others that ever came to light.
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I hope they DO, 'cuz I won't be watching that, either . . |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | The choice of Lucas surprised me. I've been following the message boards for the show and about 99% of the "Rossi Possi" as they are called, love him and pretty much dispise what little SuperNova music they have heard. Most of his fanbase was actually hoping he came in 2nd place so he could "take his band on tour with SN and blow them off the stage." So although they are proud, at the same time they were hoping he didn't win. They are a pretty dedicated fanbase.
Like Al, I really liked Magni for a vocalist, but I couldn't picture them getting out of the stereo-type "four guys playing rock'n roll" that SN was supposedly trying to avoid. If it was "just about the music" then I think he'd be it.
Toby I think was just too green. Even he related that he "grew into" his current abilities over the summer. I can't picture SN playing "teacher."
Dilana was a clear choice for me bringing the edge without being too girlie. I've missed seeing Woman in rock, really doing rock'n roll. I thought she could bring it.
I am a little curious if more than SN was involved in the decision for Lucas. The final show performance of SN w/Lucas fronting at the end of the show looked like the Lukas show. I have never seen Jason so bored playing the bass, and Tommy could have been replaced with . Very little interaction with Lucas all around. Even the announcement of his winning seemed a little anti-climatic.
I would have paid to see SN /w Dilana. No interest in seeing Lucas for more than a single song at a time. I guess I'll just download the album when comes out, just to hear.
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I also would have thought seriously about going if either Dalana or Toby had fronted the band.
Even thinking about it, Lukas fronting SN for 90 minutes just bores the hell out of me. Not a good match and a very curious choice. |
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Location: Toronto | Hey me too - Dilana was my first - and I really thought her vocals improved near the end. Man - she did a number on Roxanne the other nite that I thought was amazing. I got her voice up there in the top 5 all time great female rocker voices.
I'm waiting for my copy of FHM!
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Location: NJ | did anyone notice that the SN songs were canned? they were so obviously pre recorded it made me puke.
also having magni come out and play on the second tune, how could that have not been rehearsed?
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | The performances are actually tapped on Sunday and Tuesday. There is a site http://www.RockBand.com that has the spoilers and interesting insight. As Al noted, Magni played on the last tune and that was not done last minute. To give you an idea of the impact of this show. There are 34,000 plus messages on just Lucas. There are 48 pages of posts on just the last performances.
Each of the at least the last 6 performers have put their music to more people and acquired more fans than probably all of their performances in their life until now. In reality, fronting SuperNova or performing on this show may not be the highlight of many of these folks careers, but rather just the launch point.
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by alpep:
did anyone notice that the SN songs were canned? I saw in one of the earlier shows, when SN was playing, Gilby had stopped playing guitar, but the guitar part kept playing. A "Ashlee Simpson" moment.
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