Practice makes...
Weaser P
Posted 2006-08-29 12:46 PM (#242585)
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How much time do you put into practicing every week? And just to clarify that, I'm not talking about the two hours a week you put in so that your partner can hit the right harmony notes. How much time do you put in actually working on improving your skills (and the level you're at just may be irrelevant here)?
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-08-29 1:08 PM (#242586 - in reply to #242585)
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Zero.

and it often shows...

When going out to play I make set lists, rush through a couple of the tunes I consider myself rusty on...and that's it. When filling in for a band, the first set is practise. At the NW-OFC gathering I hadn't touched my guitars,other than to restring them, for two or three weeks.

We've shut down rehearsal for the summer but rehearse Mondays with a buddy who plays upright bass.
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Omaha
Posted 2006-08-29 1:21 PM (#242587 - in reply to #242585)
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I don't do anything in particular that is specifically designed to improve my skills ("computer hacking skills, bow hunting skills, numchuck skills..."). But I do always have a new song that I am working on, typically fingerstyle. I'll give it 20 or 30 minutes a night.

I find that that makes a big difference, particularly for left hand technique.
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NostrAdamas
Posted 2006-08-29 1:23 PM (#242588 - in reply to #242585)
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One or two hours a day, been working on backing track chord progressions for Spain, medittaranian sundance, and Take five, so when we play live I can improvise solos and not have think too much and just live in the musical moment.It does pay off.


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Waskel
Posted 2006-08-29 1:30 PM (#242589 - in reply to #242585)
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Chicks dig guys with skills.

Pretty much like Omaha, I'm usually working on original stuff, so I'm trying to duplicate what I'm hearing in my head (not what the voices are saying, (shut UP!), just the music).
I don't always achieve this, but I usually wind up a little better for trying.
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alpep
Posted 2006-08-29 1:31 PM (#242590 - in reply to #242585)
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I never put enough time in.. ask anyone who has heard me play.
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Styll
Posted 2006-08-29 1:32 PM (#242591 - in reply to #242585)
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At times I use to put in ten hours plus...and thats no exaggeration.

Id get home from work and play until the sun came up...get a few hours of sleep etc...do it all over again the next day.

I litterlally would practice until my fingers would bleed,,,happened quite a few times.

I would have grooves on top of grooves on the fingers...to the point where I could run my fingers right down the neck perfectly.

My fingers tips are like rocks now..haha I think my prints are all but gone...
In fact I attended a local career day and they had law enforcement recruit day and had various programs and demonstrations...well they we're doing finger printing...They used me to show the process...guess what no prints...haha...They asked me what I was doing...
Just playing geetar Sir... :)
And thats the fact jack :)


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GregoryS.
Posted 2006-08-29 1:46 PM (#242592 - in reply to #242585)
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Hey Styll, if you ever need some extra cash...

I practise personally around two hours a day. Just personal time...band/group time is another 4 hours a week or so...

But you'd never know it to hear me play :)
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cliff
Posted 2006-08-29 1:51 PM (#242593 - in reply to #242585)
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I practice at gigs . . .
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-08-29 1:54 PM (#242594 - in reply to #242585)
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It shows.....
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Steve
Posted 2006-08-29 2:36 PM (#242595 - in reply to #242585)
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At least an hour a day..more recently due to new strings..
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gh1
Posted 2006-08-29 3:27 PM (#242596 - in reply to #242585)
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Heck, this is one of my nagging questions. I practice lots for a hobbyist. An hour or two a day and much more on the weekends. But i'll be damned if i get any better.

I can learn new pieces but that's not really what i'm after. My primary concern is that I can learn the new pieces but it all seems so mechanical. I feel i don't know what i am doing other than following a script and my music sounds like it -- lifeless. I'm not sure if i put that in an understandable way, but i'm not sure how else to describe it.

Second, i'm not sure if it is a hardwired flaw or something i can overcome, but no matter how many times i play a piece i can't ever seem to get through it without error. A lack of concentration? Poor practice habits? Unreasonable expectations? I have no idea, but it is frustrating as all get out.

Even with all that said, i still have lots of fun just playing.

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cliff
Posted 2006-08-29 3:35 PM (#242597 - in reply to #242585)
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Find somebody that you can play/jam with on a regular basis (ThursdayNight Beer&Guitars - something like that). It helps.
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-08-29 3:40 PM (#242598 - in reply to #242585)
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Performance rule #1; it's not how well you play, it's how well you play your mistakes.

If you make a mistake, stop, point it out to yourself and the audience, then start over. You are highlighting the incident so well you can't help but learn to make that mistake really good every time.

If you continue playing, perhaps even incorporating the 'mistake' into the overall piece as you go, you have established a 'playing style.' I am convinced this is where jazz comes from...but what do I know?

I learned my appreciation of music/jazz from a pet cockatiel. He only knew one tune; Pop The Weasel. He'd sing that simple 5 note tune over and over.
pop goes the weasel
pop goes the weasel
pop goes the weasel
Then he'd do pieces of it, then backwards, then inside out.

Try it with the little intro bit to Black Magic Woman. Play it over and over like a manta untill you aren't sure where you are in the tune, but it's still going on. You'll be lost >inside< the music, where there is no right or wrong...just sound.


(Dang! What's IN this coffee?)
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Jewel's Mom a/k/a Joisey Goil #1
Posted 2006-08-29 3:44 PM (#242599 - in reply to #242585)
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Waskel
Posted 2006-08-29 3:51 PM (#242600 - in reply to #242585)
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Phil, I would have told this story a little bit different...


I learned my appreciation of music/jazz from a pet cockatiel. He only knew one tune; Pop The Weasel. He'd sing that simple 5 note tune over and over.
pop goes the weasel
pop goes the weasel
pop goes the weasel
Then he'd do pieces of it, then backwards, then inside out.


So I shot him and fed him to the neighbors' cat.


More coffee?
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-08-29 4:01 PM (#242601 - in reply to #242585)
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It also explains my limited appreciation of jazz.

Thanksh...wash' in this stuff?
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Waskel
Posted 2006-08-29 4:25 PM (#242602 - in reply to #242585)
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Originally posted by fillhixx:
It also explains my limited appreciation of jazz.

Thanksh...wash' in this stuff?
Today?
Apparently heavy doses of boredom compounded by large amounts of afternoon drowsiness and a strong desire to either be playing the blue guitar or riding the black 'Wing. Instead of being where I am...
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Beal
Posted 2006-08-29 4:46 PM (#242603 - in reply to #242585)
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There are severasl different aspects here. Most of us get caught up in play time, like Cliff says, Thursday nights jam with somebody, or when we just pick up the guitar and noodle for a few minutes, or play our favorite song for the 100th time.
Then there is the work on the chops/ practice the scales time. Boring but needed.
Then there's the work out a new tune and learn it.
All three are different and I'd guess that most of us fall into the first unless we get ourselves a bit motivated and do the others.
Comments?
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alpep
Posted 2006-08-29 4:50 PM (#242604 - in reply to #242585)
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CWK hit it on the head.

different time spent doing differnt activities on the guitar. All considered practice all have various effects and results.
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cliff
Posted 2006-08-29 5:02 PM (#242605 - in reply to #242585)
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The only scale I know is the one in my bathroom . . .

. . . and I've been avoiding that one, too.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-08-29 5:08 PM (#242606 - in reply to #242585)
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Probably only an average of 15 minutes a day. Sometimes I go a few days without touching the guitar, but I rarely go more than an hour at a time. I tend to play the same thing over and over. I'll work on one song until I have it down. That may take years at my pace.
Vocals have always been easy for me, so I have to learn the guitar part well enough that my fingers have it memorized and then I can usually fill in the vocals without much problem. I have to go over the same thing many times in order to remember all the verses, though.
I have no one to play for but myself, so it's not really "practicing", it's just something I do because I enjoy it. I'll often play while watching TV, during commercials, so I'm not really focusing on either.
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-08-29 5:10 PM (#242607 - in reply to #242585)
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I can't remember which guitar god I once saw quoted; "the best thing I ever did for my guitar playing was go fishing."


course he already knew his mixolydian scales...
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MWoody
Posted 2006-08-29 5:10 PM (#242608 - in reply to #242585)
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Wife: Gets him a bathroom Scale...


I rarely practice, more often its learning specific songs.
I really enjoy Jams and like to learn from others.
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FlySig
Posted 2006-08-29 7:13 PM (#242609 - in reply to #242585)
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I only get to practice about 3 times per week due to my travel schedule. Maybe I'll get a headphone amp and carry my electric, or even get one of those travel/practice guitars like the Yamaha.

Anyhow, usually I get to play for 30 to 60 minutes per session. It's not nearly enough to learn much or to improve much.
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Styll
Posted 2006-08-29 9:35 PM (#242610 - in reply to #242585)
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Hey Gregorys,

What did you have in mind as far as extra cash?
haha...as long as its legal and doesnt involve a night in the clink...haha


Someday - and that day may never come - I'll call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, accept this justice as a gift.

:)

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72tour
Posted 2006-08-30 4:57 AM (#242611 - in reply to #242585)
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I practice at night. The my parents tell me to stop. Then I wake in the early morn(12:00pm) and start playing at about 5pm.

It's hard for me to practice since I don't have any recording stuff so I can play over progressions, but I add lib it. But probably overall, a couple hours a day.

I might drop my AP US History class so I have less homework and can play more during the school year though. :D
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2006-08-30 7:18 AM (#242612 - in reply to #242585)
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72, you might try something like the "Band in Your Pocket" or whatever those backing track CDs are called. They have them near the counter at GC, I think.

Gh1, I know what you mean about messing up songs. It's hard not to get caught up in the music and lose your place, but I find that I have to get the next chord in mind as soon as I make a chord change. And sometimes a song "just isn't me" and I let it go.

I'd say I practice 4-5 hours a week.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-08-30 10:34 AM (#242613 - in reply to #242585)
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72tour, your practice regimen definitely shows well in your playing. Most of us were very impressed with your skill. But don't cut back on school. It's a pretty rare bird that won't need a day job to support the music habit. Personally, I'd prefer to keep the music/guitars as a hobby and have something else that I consider work to pay the bills.
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JeffreyD
Posted 2006-08-30 10:53 AM (#242614 - in reply to #242585)
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I don't remember the last time I actually played to improve my skills, but similar to others, just learning a new song or two. I still play probably 4-5 days a week or more, and while I don't seem to be much better as far as capability, my consistency with what I do know is much better.

Still...would like to be around someone to show me more "stuff" as I tend to learn by watching and doing, not by books or CD's. Although I do figure out some lead/solo stuff just by listening and faking it. Probably not always very accurate, but close enough that those listening (I play to musically challenged audiences) don't know the difference.
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TWA
Posted 2006-08-30 11:50 AM (#242615 - in reply to #242585)
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Little Fretty.
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-08-30 1:56 PM (#242616 - in reply to #242585)
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For reasons other than music, I actually keep one of those in my front pocket at all times...
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an4340
Posted 2006-08-30 1:57 PM (#242617 - in reply to #242585)
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Saw the post about the bird singing above, and just wanted to tell about a friend of mine who had a parrot. It learned to imitate his alarm clock. It was the most annoying thing you can imagine. Eventually he just got so fed up and let the bird go. It probably died somewhere in North Jersey.
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rick endres
Posted 2006-08-30 5:18 PM (#242618 - in reply to #242585)
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I play too many gigs to have time to practice. That's where I work on stuff, and being in the heat of combat helps you focus. If you add it all together, it comes to about 16 - 20 hours a week.
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72tour
Posted 2006-08-31 6:19 AM (#242619 - in reply to #242585)
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Yeah Mark, I was thinking that. I was just going to cut down from Advanced Placement to Regular. I don't think any future job will require me to know that The Iron Act was passed in 1750 and was mostly ignored by the American colonists..... :D But college people do look at that kinda boring stuff. But thanks! We'll have to jam more at the next OFC gathering.

TWA... I had just blocked Little Fretty from my mind.
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GregoryS.
Posted 2006-08-31 1:46 PM (#242620 - in reply to #242585)
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Why can't I get dualing banjos out of my hed now?
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cliff
Posted 2006-08-31 2:00 PM (#242621 - in reply to #242585)
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It's a RedState thing . . .
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2006-08-31 3:15 PM (#242622 - in reply to #242585)
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Then you can pretty much take your pick.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-08-31 4:10 PM (#242623 - in reply to #242585)
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That blue spot in the middle of Idaho is Blaine County, where Kerry and Arnold Schwartznegger have their "summer" homes. I guess all the Republicans had to move out because they couldn't afford to live there.
Back on track, I don't think I could keep up with 72tour. He's as good on an electric guitar as I am bad. I'll just sit and watch.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-08-31 4:30 PM (#242624 - in reply to #242585)
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-08-31 5:15 PM (#242625 - in reply to #242585)
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"It's a poor workman blames his tools"
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Posted 2006-08-31 7:15 PM (#242626 - in reply to #242585)
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-09-01 12:12 PM (#242627 - in reply to #242585)
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Waskel
Posted 2006-09-01 12:52 PM (#242628 - in reply to #242585)
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-09-01 1:16 PM (#242629 - in reply to #242585)
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cliff
Posted 2006-09-01 1:26 PM (#242630 - in reply to #242585)
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Posted 2006-09-01 1:55 PM (#242631 - in reply to #242585)
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2006-09-03 12:02 AM (#242632 - in reply to #242585)
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Okay, I think we killed this one.
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-09-03 1:39 AM (#242633 - in reply to #242585)
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GregoryS.
Posted 2006-09-03 9:34 AM (#242634 - in reply to #242585)
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I had to see how we got from practise time to p.j. o'rourke...

Something about opening a thread, and seeing that quote, is just inherently wrong...on so many levels...
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-09-03 10:34 AM (#242635 - in reply to #242585)
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It's never wrong to quote P.J. O'Rourke......

"Giving money to politicians is like giving beer and the car keys to teenage boys..."
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2006-09-04 1:02 PM (#242636 - in reply to #242585)
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Ahem. Did I mention I practice 4-5 hours a week? Sometimes more.

One thing I have tried to do is to learn actual songs to practice all the way through. It makes perfect sense, but I don't know that I gave it a lot of thought until I read it on Matt Smith's website a couple of years ago.
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