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Location: East Tennessee | We haven't had a good rant lately so here's mine.
End pin jacks. I hate them. The only Ovation I have with an end pin jack is my 97 Collectors. I know it was done in keeping with the vintage look of a parlor size guitar but it is a pain. especially the kind they used.
I recently purchased some leather and have made several straps. I have to enlarge the hole and I haven't found a suitable straplock that will work on the end pin. I would rather put a regular jack plug and a good end pin but don't want to alter a Collectors model.
I now will get off the soap box and sit a play something on 97 Collectors. :D |
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Location: GA USA | I've got no experience with the end pins, but how do you like strap making? You may have to give us a tutorial. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I have yet to find the right hardware to fit the end pin on my papoose. Can I share your rant? |
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Location: East Tennessee | Sure why not. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | A while back, this topic came up and somebody posted the link to a website that had a really cool connector to use with end pin jacks. I purchased one and it works really well.
I will try to find the paperwork on it and repost the link. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Well at the risk of taking some (more) abuse from Cliff, I'm going to have to use the "M" word.
Both of my Martins have end pin jacks and I agree, they are a pain in the ass. The strap never fits right and I can't use a strap lock, so I'm always worried about the strap slipping off.
Ok Mr. Doenges .... fire away! ;) |
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Location: closely held secret | I would just move the sucker to where it belongs and put a normal endpin on. It can only increase the overall quality of the guitar, collector or not. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | All Right!!!!! Break out the Makita, slap the Martin in a shop vice (don't forget to mask it first...ah forget that...use duct tape) and drill a few holes in it before getting one in the right place. LOVE IT.
I understand why they did it, but I agree that they are not very practical. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by JeffreyD:
I understand why they did it, but I agree that they are not very practical. Obi-wan, please enlighten me. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | G3,
Sent you an Email. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Jeff,
Thanks for the help.
P.S. You have mail. :cool: |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by JeffreyD:
All Right!!!!! Break out the Makita, slap the Martin in a shop vice (don't forget to mask it first...ah forget that...use duct tape) and drill a few holes in it before getting one in the right place. LOVE IT. Jeff, I was talking about the 97 Collectors. A hole in the bowl is the normal place. And it's not gonna cause any structural problems.
I wouldn't dare do that to a Martin.
I'd be afraid that wooden box would just fold up if I drilled a hole anywhere in it... |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
I wouldn't dare do that to a Martin.
I'd be afraid that wooden box would just fold up if I drilled a hole anywhere in it... [/QB] Why not? I think about 2-3" below the end pin would be alright. Try it and let me know. :D |
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Location: SoCal | On the 47RI, nice historically but hard to get a strap to fit and, from what I know, impossible to have a strap lock. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Gospel Guitar Guy:
Why not? I think about 2-3" below the end pin would be alright. Try it and let me know. :D Mike, I assume you're sending me one to try it on, as I don't own any Martins. Shall I PM you with my address?  |
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Location: East Tennessee | Wabbit,
Here's one you could get to practice on.
Martin
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Pretty bad description for a $10k auction. But I bet the guitar is SCHWEEET.
Dave |
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Location: closely held secret | Very nice, but no endpin jack. Disqualified. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Very nice, but no endpin jack. Disqualified. In 1926, they hadn't been invented yet. :D |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | I've been lucky. All my Ovations have the jacks in the usual place on the bowl, and even the Ibanez AEF-18TVS I use for backup has a jack mounted in the bout instead of in the strap peg position. Odd. My brother bought an AEF-18 a few months after I did, and by that time they had graduated to an endpin jack. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | I have an opinion on this
Ovation was originally the answer to converting your vintage acoustic to an acoustic/electric.
You were supposed to buy an Ovation as a work horse for the need to plug in and keep that wonderful acoustic just as it was, and play into a good mike when you wanted an acoustic sound.
For the sake of reality, when we sing we do not install a pickup in our throat with an end piece jack (where in hell would we put it?). We sing into a microphone to get a natural sound, you can do as well with a vintage acoustic.
That's my opinion, now watch all the singers with an endpiece in their ass call me a crazy dumb ass for thinking they should sing into something as passe (FRENCH) as a microphone, when they can send their signal from their ass into a simulator and capture the thrill of Tiny Tim once more.
Endpins are wrong.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | This could get interesting now.
If they were wireless would the wire only hang down about a foot? That way they could dance around on stage and not trip on the mic cable. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Maybe the solution is to go totally wireless and put the little bug inside the body of the guitar and have th piezo under the saddle. Sort of like the old CA's with the battery on the inside. I don't know how'd you'd turn it on, but I'm just an idea man, the rest is for the engineers to solve. Maybe a button just inside the sound hole?
Maybe Ovation could build an onboard transmitter?
However, I agree with Bailey. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | CWKII
I expect most of them would plug in a wireless transmitter, I surely would not reccommend that they sing outside in a thunderstorm, a lightning strike might be attracted to a radio emitter. Some singers might consider that a fitting end to their career as they go out in a blze of glory!! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | OK....FOUND THE INFO!
It is called the "STRAPKEEPER" by Tapastring Guitar Care and is made specifically for the problem you were referring to. I bought one and it works quite well.
StrapKeeper |
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Location: San Angelo, Texas | I say it is a throw back to the days of the drop in fishman pickups that you had to run the wire somwhere, and most people aren't like us, they didn't want to drill more holes in the guitar, so they found you could take out the end pin and put this "thing" in the hole that let you attach a strap after you modified it adn then plug in. You know these people by the way they still tie a string to the head of the guitar to hold the other end of the strap... |
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