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Location: Jet City | OK, so there was a...
VT-8
And a VT-10
And a VT-11
What happened to VT-9? Could it be what's on mine? I just realized my bracing is close, but different in one place. It has no brace along the top, but instead has a brace from the left of the sound hole going up and in towards the neck a bit.
VT-9?
Weird.
Also, I felt that a brace has popped loose. You all think it would be OK to bring it to a local O-authorized repair place to fix? seems like it would be easy, but it is a '69-'70 Deluxe Balladeer (Really a first year Legend) and I want to be careful with it. |
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Location: Jet City | Hey Bobbo, can you check yours out? |
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Location: Scotland | Don't recall a VT-9 but there was a VT-6, used on Artist depth guitars (Artist Balladeer and Country Artist) but it wasn't around for long. I've never actually seen the VT6 pattern, but if that is what yours is, I guess it's possible that tops with VT6 bracing could have ended up on deep bowls. |
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Location: Tennessee | Damon ... I am on the road and won;t be home until Thursday night, but I'll check it out when I get home and let you know. |
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Location: Chicago | My '74 1117 has a VT 11 bracing pattern: the horizontal braces below the sound-hole don't meet, and two longest verticals extend "south east" without meeting the lower horizontal. Nor do they meet a smallish third horizontal in the south eastern corner (as in VT 10). The brace above the sound-hole is just like it is in the VT 9, VT 10, VT 11 diagrams above.
Grab a flashlight and mirror and grope! |
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| I got 60 days without the option last time I did that. |
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Location: Chicago | Damon: correction. I meant to say that "the brace above the sound-hole is just like it is in the VT 8 and and VT 10."
Schroeder: but groping is the best part! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Take your digi-camera, turn on the flash, press the macro button, loosen up the strings and reach in there and take a photo. |
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Location: NJ | Get a two-for-one deal at your next colonoscopy. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by cliff:
...at your next colonoscopy. Great, now ya tell me!  Just had my first, and hopefully last, one this morning.
BTW, the Doc determined I'm not the perfect azzhole many thought I was... butt I'm tryin'! The damned standard is just too high here...  |
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Location: NJ | . . . gives you something to ASSpire to. |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by Damon67:
Hey Bobbo, can you check yours out? OK, I checked out F-194 Damon. I think I have the VT-11 bracing. It could be VT-8, but I can't see to that level of detail all that great and both are pretty close. But definitely not like yours.
Worse, I discovered a big crack down the face of my guitar. From the rosette and under the bridge all the way to the bottom of the face near the strap button. :( Must've happened while I was gone this week, but I don't know why or why now. First crack I've had. I do not think it is lacquer either although I can't feel it on the inside. I think it'll need to be cleated and sealed. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it sounds better now than it did before. |
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Location: Chicago | Again, my 1117 is definitely V11. Also has a few cracks from the bridge on down. Sounds better than ever before, especially with Phosphor Bronsze... |
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Location: Jet City | Mines in for repair too. Gluing the main brace closest to the soundhole back in place. It's only about half on there. I don't know when it happened either. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
OK, I checked out F-194 Damon. I think I have the VT-11 bracing. It could be VT-8, but I can't see to that level of detail all that great and both are pretty close. But definitely not like yours.
Can you see how close the main "lateral" braces are at their apex? |
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Location: SoCal | Say what??? |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Is this the measurement you mean?
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | to the left near the edge of the sound board... notice the difference between vt 8 and vt 11 |
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Just about bracing ..... look at this balladeer on ebay. How can it be possible to clearly "see through" the X bracing from outside ?
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Sorry ... HERE |
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Location: SoCal | X-ray vision..... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I figured it out!
Your bracing was supposed to be like this...
But the bracing towards the neck fell off,
and some amateur luthier glued it back on like this...
Which doesn't look like a logical bracing pattern to me anyway.
[but neither do most of the other VT's] |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Day-um, talk about me being in the wrong 'neighborhood'...  |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Originally posted by stonebobbo:
OK, I checked out F-194 Damon. I think I have the VT-11 bracing. It could be VT-8, but I can't see to that level of detail all that great and both are pretty close. But definitely not like yours.
Can you see how close the main "lateral" braces are at their apex? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | probably vt 11, then |
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Location: Chicago | Just did another sound check: The 1117, in pure acoustic terms, domintaes, KO's any other guitar I own: it's twice as loud, dark and defined. I hope I'm as lucky as Dime was, to die with a guitar, THIS guitar in my hands!! No sh*t bros... |
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My 1117 has a different bracing.