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Location: So. Cal. | 1. Adamas I 12 string 1688-8 Optima Excellent Cond. (Custom order, practically new, never outside)
2. Adamas I 6 string 1587-9 Optima Very Good Cond. (Prototype, cutaway, no serial number)
3. Ovation Viper 12 string EA-58-5 Black Excellent Cond. (Custom order, practically new, never outside)
4. Adamas SMT 12 string (practically new, never outside)
5. 30th Anniversary Custom Legend CL 30 (1 nick, purchased from Al, never outside)
6. 30th Anniversary Custom Legend CL 30 Excellent Cond. (purchased from Al, never outside)
Serious inquiries only. These guitars will be sold at fair market value. This is not a garage sale. If you are looking for a bargain, I am sorry, you will be disappointed. I am just consolidating my collection. Please send all interests via e-mail (playadamas gmail.com) directly. Thank you. |
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Location: Scotland | Michael, you need to sell me your book Viper. We're off to Frankfurt in a few weeks and it's not going to feel right demo-ing on anything else. |
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Location: So. Cal. | It's now 2am west coast time, you must be dreaming despite in a different continent. Just kidding, how about buying my entire "Book" collection. Another joke! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The "Book" guitar was designed to be sold in Book Sets. Glad someone is finally doing it! |
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Location: RI. That small State out East | Michael:
I sent you a note about the 1587-9... I might be interested.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
what color is the -9? BROWN |
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| Ahh I have sent emails?? No response yet? I am looking to replace my Legend for one with electronics. If the price is right and nice enough I think I might be able to go for one of the Custom Legends? Not looking for a garage sale but also not looking to pay more than I can buy one for on the bay every week. Randy |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by northcountry:
Not looking for a garage sale but also not looking to pay more than I can buy one for on the bay every week. Randy That really pisses me off. Since when has Ebay been a reliable barometer of guitar values? Buy on ebay at bottom feeder, bottom dollar prices and you stand a more than reasonable chance of getting someone else's shit. Pay true market value from a trusted source and you'll get a good instrument. I would personally vouch for every guitar Michael owns, take that recommendation or take your chances on ebay, you might get lucky, or you might not. Caveat Emptor, as Ebay loves to say. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Seems like there's a lot of gray area between those views. I suspect fugot doesnt' think $10,625 was a bottom dollar price for someone else's shit. |
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| Ohhh now Paul That is very personal my ovation friend. You've crosed some kind of a line with me on that one BUD....take a step back..... I do not mind buying on this site I do often and it is a preference. But don't you dare think you have the right to lecture me or anyone about buying a guitar on ebay. We have all sold guitars on ebay and bought from there as well. If you have not then, You have never been in a hurry to find a guitar nor have you ever had to sell one ASAP.. The Day you sell my guitar for me in your shop That is the day you can lecture me what the value is!!!!!!!! How's that!!! You have never sold one of mine nor Have I bought from you. ?? So we do not know each other well enough for you to insult me!!!!!! I am quite sure Michael's guitar's are top notch. Who are you to vouch for anything! I do not need your endorsement to know when a guitar is a good one or not nor does Michael..... I do not expect Him to sell his guitars for less than he thinks they are worth but at the same time I will not pay more than I can find one elsewhere???? This will be our business..... What in the Christ's name of guitar deals is wrong with this thinking????
Your the one who is Pissed at my comment. WOW.. Sorry if I hit a nerve. But Hey I am buying a guitar if I find one in here that is $1,000 and one on ebay being sold by a guy just like one of us who needs to sell it for the same reasons we do and it's $600 well then who The Hell are you to call me or him a "bottom feeder" Mister! You get off your elitist horse mister. And RIDE ON.......If you have a nice Legend for sale give me a price. If not don't tell Mike or I what to do!
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Location: Scotland | Mark, that's hardly relevant. Everyone's jumping through hoops because a ridiculously rare and historically significant Ovation went through the 10K barrier. Big deal, that's at least the price that guitar should be fetching, usually Ovations go on ebay for way less than they are worth. Ebay is an amazing phenomenom but it does not adhere to any business model. It seems that people are quite prepared to say "hey look at this bargain I got on ebay, it's worth way more than I paid" but bitch when someone asks a realistic market value. Shit I'd hate to have Al's inventory and be dealing with that mindset. |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Not to gang up on Paul, but I agree there is a whole lot of grey area on the bay. $5K on my doubleneck was nothing to sneeze at either.
IMHO, I think when your talking about bidding on $100-$300 guitars that where purchased new in the $400 or $600 range, your liable to end up with anything. However, when the starting bid is in the $1000 dollar range, you are getting into serious guitars being sold (most of the time) by folks that take care of their gear.
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| Now you bring Al into this.....What the hell are you talking about Who's jumping through hoops???I don't care about that slothead?? it is a great guitar way out of my league. I just want to buy a nice deep bowl legend that has some fairly new electonics and I am more than willing to pay a fair price for it. By the Way Al sells on ebay all the time and so do I and this bottom feeder buy's on ebay too. So what....??? Why do you make me feel like this is a bad thing.... Jesus Paul What is up with you?? never heard so many bitter comments about guitars for sale in here. I don't want to be on the opposite side of anything in here but your way off on this one man...
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Location: Scotland | Randy, I was responding to Markinboises's comment about the slot, not your post. I'm not suggesting that you are not prepared to buy from OFC members, I merely suggested that using Ebay as a yardstick is not a realistic guage of their value. If you find that insulting or personal, well hey, tough fucking titty. |
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Location: SoCal | I tend to agree with Temp. Ebay's not terribly realistic. The problem came in, Randy, when you talk about wanting to buy a guitar on the 'bay, on a thread regarding Michael's guitars. They aren't on the 'bay and I doubt very seriously if Michael will list them there.
Oh, and Temp was right regarding Michael's guitars. Every one is a cut above. He knows because he's played a vast majority of them. I have too. That's why we can talk about them, as opposed to some posters who have no knowledge of them and accuse us of being the same. |
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| So you know ....This is a post about a sale between members who are interested in buying or selling between each other....
And once again I am curious....Ebay is not realistic???? WHat are you actually talking about People sell and buy Ovations by the truck load every day on ebay. Ebay is more realistic than the dealers wall.
I may not like it when I go to sell but as a buyer Hey you tell me am I being "Realistic" when I buy a guitar for half what your asking Paul? Really what is real here....inflated prices on a guitar that has been hanging ona wall for two years before some sap finally shows up to buy it at full retail value.
Times have changed.... Dealers who need to keep some cash flow going often sell on ebay. Nothing wrong with this. Moody.....JEsus your selling right now arent you?? How can you say that is not realistic. Give your guitar to a dealer and see. I mean really we are talking about "USED" guitars here. USED guitars are only worth what someone will pay for them and they are on a curve that considers condition, and current retail, and other similiar sale values elsewhere.
If you have some new way to determine what a USED guitar is worth I'd like to hear it Mr. Templeman..
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by northcountry:
Well you prick...... By the way STUPID Read my post you DA I never said I was using ebay as a barometer for price values...
"Not looking for a garage sale but also not looking to pay more than I can buy one for on the bay every week. Randy"
OK, explain what you actually meant then. Oh yeah and thanks for the abuse, very eloquent. |
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Location: SoCal | Excuse me... is Temp the prick, or am I? It's good to keep this stuff straight.
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| AGAIN BACK OFF this is not your thread PAUL.. Yeah I am typing with my two little fingers way to fast..I am pretty bad... You tell me why you think you have the right to interject your comments in here. that is the real question..??? Mike gives me a price?? I can either buy it or not?? Are you trying to say that Mike is not able to know what his guitars are worth? Why don't you sell these for him. Looks like your more than willing to ruin this as fast as possible... I'll deal with you Paul, that would be so much more plesant. Don't forget your the one who started this crap. It was not needed. I pay fair prices all the time. I have never once boasted about buying a guitar on ebay for cheap! I pay good money for them. Been past the $2,500 mark three times now for some of the guitars I own. And I sold my Doubleneck Ric. On THe Ric Forum for 5k HOw's that for one of us bottom feeders who also buy and sell on ebay.
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| Moody I see the humor in your post Just still to confused as to Mr. Templeman's concern for this deal?
To be honest Don't tell me you as well have never bought an ovation on ebay? Funny wonder how many of the guitars like the old Deacons that I see end because we all know an offer was made was because of one of us in the club...OK to use ebay for this.. Ebay sets the price all the time... by the way.. I have seen you guy's type messages to people who join and want to know the value of a guitar. EBAY values are always spouted. THIS IS A FACT, IS IT NOT???? can anyone deny this????
Really Don't you guy's make me feel like I did something wrong. If Mike tells me he has a guitar for $1,500 do you think I can't buy it??
What you think I am tring to do, get Mike to sell a custom legend for $50? You insult Mike and you insult me when you say this? And I am only speaking of PAUL here. The rest of you have not been mean spirited.
So again Perhaps Mike has some other members who may like to see the list.. This is, once again, what this thread is supposed to be about.
Paul if you could figure out how to sell a guitar you would not be so angry about all the ones that sell on ebay. Is that the rub?? JUst can't figure out why you would take so much offence to a simple mention of Ebay prices? Sorry but there are Custom Legends running now and I need a guitar soon for a few Gig,s Am I supposed to wait for you to sell me one at a fair price? I am sure you would not anyway. So you let me find my guitar. And if I bottom feed I'll letcha know.
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Location: Scotland | If someone wants a very approximate value for their guitar, looking at completed listings on ebay will get them a ball park figure. It'll be a pretty big ball park though. Pokeypup recently posted that he bought a 1624 Country Artist plus a Crate amp for $158. Maybe that's the price Serge should be aiming at for his instead of $750. I think not. The fact is that a good 1624 is worth $750 of anyone's money, but Ebay generally forces prices down. It is unreasonable to suggest to anyone that because a similar guitar sells on ebay at whatever price, low or inflated, that this is the "going rate"
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| Well you did pick the fight. And you have posted as many times as I....
So if understand what your saying Ebay is a good place to find a current value. ??? That was what I was saying...Huuuummm interesting??? I thought you said this was wrong??? I am sure no one of a resonable mind would think a $158 dollar deal is a fair evaluation of any guitar market??? Nice example though... What do you take Myself and Mike for Paul.. Yeah you insult us both by thinking for one second we are not able to conduct business without your help. So Thanks for the help Paul. We know how to average sales on ebay. We also know the retail price in a guitar store is high. and someone selling private sale should be somewhere in between these two variables. Am I wrong? Please tell me?? We would not know how to function without your help Paul?????
I'll let you know how it works out for Mike and I.
Wait till Mike see's this.... he is going to chew us both a new one! I'll probably loose my chance to make a deal. He has been sick and I am sure he is sleeping now..but he will not be happy with this. Thanks Again
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I was just thinking that this is too much like work. I get in the middle of plenty of fights there, but one of the fighters usually pays me to fight for them.
Other than the obscenities and name calling, both of you have valid points. The market is what the market is. I hate ebay. I have only had one good deal on a guitar from ebay and that's because the seller didn't know what he had. That's not an indication of market value. My best deal on a guitar was off this board. Randy, I've never sold a guitar on ebay. The good thing about it is the shear volume. |
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| I am sure your not lying whan you say you have not sold on ebay Mark? That's great. Many in here have bought and sold on ebay. And I am not a bottom feeder nor are they, as Mr. Templeman suggests, for doing so. Would you not agree? Ebay fetches good prices at times. And some of us actually need to sell a guitar or two in a hurry from time to time. Can't do that anywhere else like Ebay..... If you have never had that need then My hat's off to ya.
How would you feel if you were selling or buying a guitar in here and a member piped in with a comment that was not beneficial to either party. I have a right to take offence. Paul is out of bounds here. That's all I am saying.
Have an $1100.00 bid in on ebay and a $425 bid. Also working a deal with Al and perhaps when Mike feels up to it and sends some photo's I will try to hash out a deal with him. Sorry for defending myself. but I am going to buy a Legend of some kind in the next few days. If it is an ebay auction and it is what I want then hey I'm a bottom feeder I guess. If I buy one in here I'll keep it to myself. who cares anyway.
I have to look at the old posts I think I remember some guy (several actually) asking what his custom legend was worth and a bunch saying it was worth around 400.00- $500.00 or so?? If I have the time I will try and find it I think there are several. I will relay this information on to Mike when he gives me his price. THen we will see what Ebay averages out to. And then we will see what Paul wants for one? And we will see what is the true value. Or perhaps Mike and I can just come up with a price that works for the both of us without all this outside influence. Or is this not the way it's done anymore.
Now in case no one noticed. ??? I have two guitars up for sale and I am asking fair prices for them. I figured out these prices all by my silly little self. These prices reflect Ebay prices. If they reflected a dealers used guitar price they would be in some cases more than $100 dollars more ea. I like my prices. It is what I paid for the Legend and less than what I have in the GS. Now Paul you seem interested in guitars that are for sale in here. Did you have anything to say that might ruin my sale in some small way?? Might just as well get it out of your system now.
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| Wow, we usually do not get this type of ill feelings. It's cool. Personally, I love getting garage sale prices for something I want. Fair market price?? What the hell is that? An Item, any item, is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. A manufacturer can say this is the msrp, and a book somewhere can say it's worth $XYZ, and people on this forum can say a model 123 custom legendary elitest balladeer is worth $ABC, but none of that really matters if you can't find someone willing to spend the money on it. To say Ebay has no say in "market value" isn't very realistic, either. When ma and pa guitar seller tell me that internet prices and return policies aren't realistic in the market, I usually start laughing. Frequently, I see guitars offered here (at a special member price) to our forum members first, no bites, then they sell on ebay for less than was offered here. So, what was the market price? Is it what the seller thought it was worth, or is it the actual selling price? Ok, now you all can call me names also! Let's not lose track of the fact that this thread started with someone offering guitars for sale? Anyone interested? |
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Location: closely held secret | Darn, 'zilla. Why didn't you offer it here yesterday? I just spent my last $255,000 on Ebay... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I guess I should have said I have a love-hate relationship with ebay. I'm trying to give it up for Lent. I'd much rather buy something I can see and play, but that's just not possible here in the sticks, so I'm glad I discovered ebay and this forum about a year ago.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The market price is set by the BUYER, independent of where he chooses to buy. You can use ebay as a rough barometer of what those types of shoppers (ebay buyers) are willing to pay for a certain item. Nothing more, nothing less. Weather you LOVE or HATE eBay is not even part of the discussion - To each their own. My friend buys Titlest golf balls at a chi-chi golf boutique proshop because he "likes" the place. I buy exactly the same golf balls for $6. less at Wal-Mart. So what's the market price of the golf balls ???
Back to the topic of this thread. Mike has some nice stuff for sale. I have known him personally (face to face) for 4 years and have played (I think) ALL of his guitars. Although he has so many it's hard to be sure. Whoever buys from Mike will pay a fair price for a great instrument.
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| OK I am off the possible buyers list. I was in a hurry of sorts. Did not get any photo's to look at so I bought one from Al. His #64 on his list. Nice cutaway. All is well that ends well I guess. Anyone still interested in some nice Ovations contact Michael.
Sorry for the words Paul You got me pissed for some reason? No worries.... I'll not mention Ebay in a sale thread again....if you don't take my Goat down the street and kick him the whole way????? Fair enough?
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Since we are on a more civil track, thanks Dave for reminding me about golf balls. I'm going to try to at least play 9 on Sunday. Fortunately, there are lots of bad golfers that subscribe to the marketing hypes. I lose cheap golf balls and find Titleists. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | No, it's more like the question that was posed by one of my foursome to another: "Why does a shitty golfer like you use such good golf balls?" I'm a shitty golfer, but I don't use good golf balls and I wasn't the one asking the question, although I was thinking the same thing. |
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Location: ms | Glad to see that everybody has kissed and make up. It was fun while it lasted, just like the old days. As for myself, I just haven't been able to bring myself to by a guitar from ebay. I have in the past ordered from elderly or mannys, but have a long and good relationship with both companies. I have friends who often bid and buy on ebay with good results, and have heard horror stories. This place is great because so many people know eachother personally or have done business in the past, and lets not forget having access to Al's shop. It's all good! :) |
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Location: Orlando, FL | I have purchased 3 guitars from OFC members and one from eBay. They are all excellent guitars and I love them all equally (at least thats what I tell them). But I felt very confident in what I was getting buying from OFC members. I was kinda worried with the eBay purchase until I got it.
I'll do the eBay thing again if something comes up, but I know a few OFC members who have guitars for sale that I'd buy today if I had the cash!
BTW, as entertaining as it was, I'm glad to see everybody has kissed and made up. If ya'll really want to fight, go over to the Martin Board! :D |
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| Well so you know there was no formal "Kissing" We just caught each others eyes for a moment. |
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| Hey Someone please contact Playadamas! He has some high end guitars! Mike I know will be after one of the Custom Legends but it will be a while until I pay for the proto purchase from Al.
I really needed something, like Yesterday, for a fairly big Gig we have going.
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