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Location: Nashville TN. | http://cgi.ebay.com/Ovation-Guitar-Accessory-Provides-Playing-Stabi... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Yes. It works very well. Much the same as a contour bowl.
I had 3 and gave 1 away because I ran out of round bowls. But I am a true believer in them. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | The sensual round bowl is part of the whole OVATION experience.
If I wanted a hard 90 degree angle poking me in the gut, I would go rub up against the UPS truck that brought it... or buy a Taylor, lol.
The next step in de-evolution is taking your Black & Decker and drilling holes in the bridge for bridge pins...
Can we go back to talking about auto parts now? |
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Location: Jet City | I use it on my mid-bowls. They seem to roll on me more for some reason. |
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Location: Okinawa Japan | Originally posted by Avatar4550:
The sensual round bowl is part of the whole OVATION experience.
If I wanted a hard 90 degree angle poking me in the gut, I would go rub up against the UPS truck that brought it... or buy a Taylor, lol.
The next step in de-evolution is taking your Black & Decker and drilling holes in the bridge for bridge pins...
Can we go back to talking about auto parts now? Yeah what he said!!! |
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Location: Caribou, ME | I put one on one of my Applauses.
Does it work? Technically, yes. It provides a non slip surface.
Do I notice that much of a difference? Not enough to buy more of them. I prefer to just use a strap, even when sitting. That act alone eliminates a Roundback from moving too much.
Preaching to the choir I know. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | I like to use mine on the deep bowl roundbacks while doing the standing gigs. It really helps keep the guitar from rolling up on my belly. Oh yeah ... if you mention you are a member of the OFC the guy will give you a discount. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Avatar4550:
The next step in de-evolution is taking your Black & Decker and drilling holes in the bridge for bridge pins... It's funny you mention that. No I would not do it myself with a B&D, lol. But for my next ovation custom order I am thinking of actually having a nornmal pin bridge and bridge plate. I assume that with Guild now the lions share of production in the factory, it should be possible for them to do it. Others will disagree but I think the lack of a solid attachement to the bridge and the resonent properties of good quality bone pins are one of the reasons that a lot of Ovations sound "thin" compared to wooden guitars. Not completely decided, but I think this might be an interesting thing to try. |
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| There's been an ad for these Standing Ovation devices for almost 2 years running on the opening page of the OFC ning social network site , offering a 20% discount to OFC members.
Interesting that Takamine is going to pinless bridges on some models while there's speculation on putting a pinned bridge on an O. Meaningless, but interesting. If you're gonna put bone pins on an O, make sure it's good, solid USA bone, and not that soft foreign stuff. |
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Location: Flahdaw | As crazy as it sounds, Wii has gone completely bridgeless on their models |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The interesting thing, if you take a step back and just think about it ... The choice of bridge pins makes a noticable different in sound on a wooden guitar. That's just a fact, and I have experimented with numerous types on numerous guitars. In general the bone pins from Bob Colosi are nice, as are the bone and horn pins that Al is now selling. Certain combinations just "work" better than others. The fit is also very important to maximize sound. So you just have to ask yourself, given the fact that this string/bridge interface seems to be so important is it necessarily true that Ovations string through bridge is the best sounding choice? Maybe it is. Who knows. Yes Takamine does offer models now with string through bridge as well. But it's generally on the lower end stuff, so I assume for cost. Every high end Tak has bone pins. As does just about every other high end guitar out there. Anyway, it WOULD be interesting to take an already great sounding guitar like a 1537 or an '10 Collector and see how much better (or worse) it might sound with a nice pinned bridge sporting some Colosi american hard bone pins. |
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Location: Flahdaw | I often wondered about that myself, truthfully. If pinned bridges are good enough for the best builders in the world, why wouldn't Ovation be using them. Must be a reason, but what is it? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Probably part of the original Ovation "innovation".
I think a pinned bridge would be interesting but you gotta make sure it is a high quality pin.
I bought some outta Canada during a visit about a decade or so ago when the Canadian dollar was in the toilet.
Turns out the pins were too.
Terrible stuff probably imported from somewhere in the far east (before quality improved) but I suppose it could have been Canadian manufactured......never thought to ask. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Dave, just have them make the whole top out of bone. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Dave, just have them make the whole top out of bone. Yeah, basically a high end Academy model !!!
You're probably joking. Because bone would not vibrate the way a nice wood top does and the function of the bone pins is to solidly transfer the string energy into the bridge and top. And can you imagine how big of an animal you would have to use to make an entire top out of bone. Maybe a whale or something. And then you'd have the peta asswipes throwing paint all over your bone topped guitar as you walked out of the shop. Just not worth the trouble, if you ask me. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
And then you'd have the peta asswipes throwing paint all over your bone topped guitar as you walked out of the shop. I've seen several paint jobs where I am pretty sure this happened. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | DJ Ashba ? |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | I'm wondering if this is a case of "creating a need and then filling it?" I've never noticed guitar movement as being an issue, but then I've grown up with Ovations. I bought my first "real" guitar, a deep bowl 1111-4 Balladeer, new in 1971 and still use it to this day (with a Fishman undersaddle pickup). I also use a shallow bowl model.In '71 I had a flat belly; now my gut matches the profile of my deep bowl! ^_^ Even with that, I've had no issues. I use a strap (even when sitting) and wear the guitar kind of high on my chest. Works fine for me. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | How about having a top made out of seal skin laminated between two pieces of carbon-graphite... but make sure they use real Greenland seal and not any of that Canadian rubbish.
Hmmm, that would be pretty exotic... Maybe you could leave the seal's ears on, to mirror the OVATION headstock's ears.
How about bridgepins made from the the bones of Cambodian orphan children that would be totally unique!!
(the above commentary is used in satirical way, and is NOT meant to have any political connotations whatsoever... It is merely to illustrate how having 150 of the most prized guitars on the planet can become boring eventually and can lead to potentially harmful flights of fancy...) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I was half joking. I don't quite see how having bone pins joining a walnut bridge to a spruce top helps transfer the energy to the spruce any better than a glued bridge with no pins or a "pinless" bridge that's bolted with metal bolts. Of course there's a local guy who swears that an Adamas II has better sustain than one of the originals with a carved bridge because of the greater mass of the bridge. This all reminds me of golf club or ski "technology". 95% marketing spoo with no verifiable difference. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I don't know enough about guitar design and sound technology to weigh in on this one way or the other. Somewhere in the factories, I trust there are knowledgeable engineers who know what they're doing within the cost parameters within which they must operate. That said, my feeling is that in the hands of a real pro in a recording studio where an effort is being made to create a specific tone, it might make a difference. Under most other circumstances, I doubt that it really matters. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Interesting. Classical guitars are always "string through". You can make or buy classical strings with ball ends. I wonder if classical guitar makers are just sticking to tradition, or if someone ever tried it and it didn't sound as good. Or if someone SHOULD try it and see what happens. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | All good points. I don't know the physics of it at all, but SOMEHOW the volume, clarity and sustain of numerous guitars CHANGES when I change bridge pin type. It's an easy experiment, just loosen the string a bit, change the pin and retune. Maybe I can post some audio clips. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Avatar4550:
It is merely to illustrate how having 150 of the most prized guitars on the planet can become boring eventually Dude, if you're gonna hang with the big dogs you need to grow your collection a bit.
Impressive start but not quite there yet. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | Thank you Stephen, for finally having the balls to come right out and SAY IT!!
I've been waiting for one of you... 'Big Dogs' to cross the line and admit to the ingrained 'old-boys together', 'plantation' mentality!!
Do you have any idea how sad it is, that you (collectively...) have taken a vehicle like the OFC and turned it into a 'country club' for spoiled playboys with too much money and no respect for anyone else?
Handing out wisdom and then laughing about it amongst yourselves is a pretty serious character flaw and says more about how shallow you are than the people that were humble enough to come to you for advice in the first place...
Personally, I couldn't give a rats ass whether you have 5, 150, or 500 guitars. If you measure YOUR self-worth in how many guitars you have... that's entirely up to you. I buy the guitars I have to PLAY!! That's what they were made for!! I don't need 500 of them...
And let's cut through the BS... the 'bowing and scraping' you all expect to receive here is NOT down to the guitars you own, but a byproduct of the MONEY you spent to get them. The only people that deserve that respect (as far as I can tell...), are the ones at OVATION that actually MADE them... Yes, you all (again collectively...) have some beautiful instruments, does that make you anymore important here than someone that owns a '77 Balladeer in a broken case.... I don't think so.
Having been told by one of the so-called 'Big Dogs' that I, '... probably couldn't afford his $600 guitar...", after having spent 10 grand on guitars in the preceding three weeks, I must admit the arrogance did finally get to me... Mea Culpa. I'll pick one up on eBay... so you can keep yours thanks.
So to sum up... I guess, if being a 'professional shopper' is worthy of such respect, we should all bow low to Paris Hilton, and the 'Big Dogs'...
My apologies to you PEZ for hijacking your thread, but it was the only way to make a very important point... I promise I won't do it again. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | What the ???
StephenT28 this was a debate about the pros/cons of pinned bridges. What is your point? |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Avatar4550:
My apologies to you PEZ for hijacking your thread, but it was the only way to make a very important point... I promise I won't do it again. Hey, don't apologize to PEZ. He's a rich spoiled playboy too. |
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| Avatar - if you haven't read the Code of Conduct , please do so. If you feel another's post has crossed a line and violated the Code of Conduct, then report the post to the admins. If you have an issue with another member here, please refrain from taking that issue publicly. Address that individual directly via Personal Messaging and leave the Forum for guitar-related discussions. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | My apologies GR8, I, like most other Candians do not like confrontation (of ANY KIND...)... this is the direct result of a 'gang attack' on me personally and I just got tired of being slapped around...
The matter ENDS here as far as I am concerned... Again, my apologies if rules were controvened. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
it WOULD be interesting to take an already great sounding guitar like a 1537 or an '10 Collector and see how much better (or worse) it might sound with a nice pinned bridge sporting some Colosi american hard bone pins. Model 1537 has its bridge Bolted with 2 bolts , that would make for a secure connection , and it sounds far from thin .. on the contrary , it has a Strong and Warm voice .. as far as the anti-roll device goes .. tjah , some people put racing-stripes on their car , and the other day , I saw a car with a grave-yard painted on ,.. tomb-stones all over it , .. x-tra`s can be fun I s`pose ..
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
What the ???
StephenT28 this was a debate about the pros/cons of pinned bridges. What is your point? Um...actually, I thought it was - originally - about the "Standing Ovation" thingie that supposedly made "O's" easier to play... :D |
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Location: Flahdaw | Noooo....that was just the "original" post. The real debate was about bridges. Try to follow along ;) |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by rick endres:
about the "Standing Ovation" thingie  rick, how dare you steer us back to the original topic without our 'touching all the bases' first! 
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | John, I don't recall being the one to bring up owning 150 of the most prized guitars on the planet.
nor did I say I was a big dog. I actually have a rather small collection.
You are the one who showed true colors by trying to impress us with your world class 150 guitars.
I was letting you know that I for one was not impressed cause I know people who have more than 150 guitars stored away because it interferes with the other 200 that they keep handy for playing purposes.
Seems to me that you exposed yourself in your own self condescending statement
I've been waiting for one of you...
that your only purpose here was to promote your radio site and try to bait the regulars.
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | Stephen, nothing of the kind... I TOTALLY respect the members here whether they are players or collectors... My exception was with the condescending (and sometimes rude attitude...) that was shown to ME and others here.
I don't have 150 guitars (no where near it actually), nor would I have much use for them if I did. As I stated in the previous entry, the guitars I have are to use... daily!!
For those of you following this on-going debaucle... this all started when/because I made an off-hand remark that someone mistakenly took to be insulting to ALPEP. This was NOT my intention at the time and I said so. It was said in a humourous way and was totally mis-interpretted. I have NOTHING but respect for the man!!
From this point on, everytime I turned around, I was getting it in the neck from someone or other. Being that this seemed to be an orchestrated 'event', I (possibly) over-reacted as well. Rather than continuing to slap each around about this... why not draw a line under it?
As I said earlier... After this, I don't intend to comment on it further. If you don't like something I've said... take it up with the mods!! I've already heard from them and they are aware of both sides of this... as they should be, in all fairness.
My hand is out... either shake it or slap it away... it's up to you. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I'm cool. |
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Location: Up North | John, think of it like the war movies, when a fresh recruit shows up and the veterans give them a hard time. It's part of paying your dues.
So suck it up buttercup! |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | Thank you very much, Stephen.
Back to our common love of guitars... you can lead the way.
Anyone else?
StoneBobbo, perhaps?
I KNOW you know A LOT about guitars and computers... I appreciate your help in the past.
What are we fighting about (bad syntax?) |
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| Well, at the risk of breaching the code of conduct and offending the humourless cognoscenti as well as the high end conno-sewers I’ll just say that the Standing Ovation Device is one seriously dorky looking contraption. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Joe, you should know by now how much it pisses us off when somebody tries to drag a wayward discussion back on course.
but I digress (and agree with you 100%) |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | Originally posted by dark bar:
Noooo....that was just the "original" post. The real debate was about bridges. Try to follow along ;) Indeed... :D |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I thought that this was about that stupid Standing Ovation thingie, that I believed should be giving copyright royalties to Dave/Standing Ovation/Tupperware/Gallerinski...
Then I was searching for a photo of an Ovation with bridge-pins when this thread degenerated into mud slinging about who has more guitars...
So what were we typing about? :confused: |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
So what were we typing about? :confused: Topless guitar players |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Agree, I think we need to narrow our focus here and keep on a topic. Doesn't have it be the original topic, just A topic. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | George Lowden believes that a pinless bridge places more force on the leading edge (where the vibration of the strings are actually transferred) making the transfer more efficient. |
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anyone ever try one??