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Location: Vernon CT | I saw the below C.L. ad and started to think what is a "vintage" guitar? I would think that just because a model is from the early 70's that it may not be considered vintage especially when the top has been replaced twice. Can anyone clarify what a "Vintage" instrument is?
http://hartford.craigslist.org/msg/1602997060.html |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | "Vintage" is just a marketing term, no definition.
If pressed, I would say that an item has to be a combination of Old, Rare and Desirable.
There is a lot of old stuff that is just regular dime a dozen crap. Certainly not vintage in my book. |
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Location: NJ | due to the date of manufacturer it is vintage.
sorta like a model A with a chevy v 8 is it vintage? yup
just not original |
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Location: California | Old vine zin= >25 years
Definition and differences:
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Antiques/Antique-Vs-Vintage/400098...
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Location: WNC-God's Country | I was told by Gruin that vintage is 20 yrs up to 49 yrs..50 plus is antique |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | My dad was an auctioneer and he used to say anything 30 years old was an antique or vintage. Don't know where he got that info, but that makes a lot of US vintage.
My definition of vintage: old |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Most of the time the term is abused and wrongfully applied to boost an item's worth. What I have seen is the more lagubrious the adjectives are applied the less knowledge the Seller has about the genre of the item.
That said, I offer the following asa guide:
Vintage - Represents an era and is no longer produced. It will have certain characteristics that are no longer in production because of peculiar techniques or materials available at the time. Examples would be materials like Brazilian Rosewood, Ivory, Tortoise Shell,etc. Use of labor intensive methods that have been discontinued like French Polishing.
Classic - Implies a reference to a person or Time/Place that stands as a milestone marker. "Classic Young Elvis" Leather Jacket, etc.
Retro - Mostly associated with Fashion mistakes that some Marketeer wants us to repeat.
Rare - The 1932 "S" was one of 400,000 minted and is considered rare because of the 4,000,000 others minted that year. It's relative but I believe that rare means;
they are hard to find
they are desirable
they are no longer made. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Vintage - Represents an era and is no longer produced. It will have certain characteristics that are no longer in production because of peculiar techniques or materials available at the time. Examples would be materials like Brazilian Rosewood, Ivory, Tortoise Shell,etc. Use of labor intensive methods that have been discontinued like French Polishing.
So based on this explaination, I would think an early 70's guitar that has had it's top replaced twice is NOT a vintage instrument, but maybe considered a Reproduction of a vintage style even though some of it's "parts" are original? |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | I've always heard that an Antique meant 75+ years old....
I agree with Woody's definition of Vintage....having to do with an era:
A Vintage '40's art deco clock ~ A Vintage '50's catcher's mitt ~ A Vintage '60's transistor radio...etc.
....My 2010 $1.15 opinion (.02 cents adjusted for inflation) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Collectable" is the term I hate to see. For a Woodworker a tool is collectable only after it can't be used anymore.
Some of the most prized tools are "Vintage" ones that are kept in perfect and usable condition and actually used! These are the ones that the other Woodworkers lust and envy over.
On the root of the subject - It would have been better if Josh's first guitar was decommissioned and he was given an upgraded "Next" guitar instead of a rebuild. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | My insurance company told me that when my car gets to be 25 years old it will be eligible for "vintage" car insurance.
I take vintage to mean that you can no longer get the parts and they have to be special made.
So when it comes to Ovations a replaced top would not affect its vintage, or even a new neck if it was made with the same materials, I'd say if it's more than 25 years old it becomes vintage.
I've played basses made in 1600 and they've had major parts replaced.
I think the major clue for Ovations would be if you could no longer get an original FET pre-amp in a 1976 country artist, for example, then that would be a vintage.
So I'd look at an original manufacture date of 25 plus years, plus lack of ability to get original regularly manufactured parts. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | In conclusion...
It's whatever you want it to be!
i dunno
i'm just sayin' |
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Location: Vernon CT | Originally posted by cholloway:
In conclusion...
It's whatever you want it to be!
i dunno
i'm just sayin' I knew I could count on you Colin,to give me a straight answer! ;) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | No, "vintage" cars are those that are so old and unreliable that they are rarely driven and therefor qualify for special insurance rates. If they aren't insured then they are simply known as "junk".
"Vintage" guitars are those that an ebay seller thinks are old enough to claim a higher price than if they just used the correct word, "old".
Vintage wines are the only goods that I can think of where there is an accepted or regulated definition. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Some (most?) states have a provision for multi-year vintage or collector license plates for vehicles that reach a certain age. At present in Colorado, a "collector" car is one that is 35 years old, although certain "grandfather" provisions suggest that the law may have previously set the age at 25 years. I have no idea what this means for guitar gear, but it is a definition. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Thanx Mark, I think I understand now...
OLD = $300
VINTAGE = $3,000
Same guitar! :cool: |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Classic Delorean..."
"Vintage VW Beetle or Van (6 volt system)"
"Retro Beetle (overpriced attempt with a flower vase)"
"Classic Hot Rod..."
"Typical Witko remark..."
"Standard Ovation Finish Cracks..."
"Rare MWoody meaningful contribution" |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Let's not forget "Relic".
Oh yeah... That's a Fender term. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Wait! I thought "Relic" was when you took a perfectly good new guitar, then scrape and scratch it up and claim that it is worth another $700 cuz it ain't new any longer? |
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Location: NW Washington State | Is Arthur vintage, or just old? |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Have you ever seen him??? He's a Relic!
re: OMA's previous post defining "Relic". |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | Thank you, TRboy, for upping the entry level for "antique" to 75; I am comforted to know that I'm not there...at least, not yet. :D
(Although, if you are as old as you feel, this is one of those days where I am probably vintage, antique, retro and historical all at once. :rolleyes: :p )
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Location: Upper Left USA | I think Arthur is more "Seasoned" than anything else!
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| That 12 string Deacon is "Vintage" |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Since it has the Solid Chunk Bridge I'd have to say yes.
If I had it it would have a Schaller one-piece and remain a useful tool...
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Location: Phoenix | In a similar vein, my personal beef is the tag "Lawsuit"-usually applied to any imported guitar from the 70's or 80's... |
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What's considered "Vintage"?