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Location: Texas | why?
plenty of plugged in acoustic guitars....
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Serge, it's 2010. Ovation was the be all, do all, seen everywhere A/E guitar 30 years ago. Others have caught up - Fishman, K&K, Baggs, Takamine. Yes sad, but inevitable. 30 years from now it will be completely different again. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Taylor Swift learned to play on a Custom Balladeer 12 string...its in many of her pictures on her web site...and she won album of the year plus 3 other Grammy's...so at least Ovation had a big part in her story...Takamine was well represented by Bon Jovi...I agree with Dave...times do change...I keep hoping to see Adamas...on the other side...no Collings either...hmmmmmm... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Since all that crap is prerecorded and lip-synced,
what difference does it make if an Ovation is there.
Ovations are for people who actually play their instruments on stage.
BTW-- I just saw Green Day win over AC/DC and Eric Clapton & Steve Winwood...
I coulda won a bet on that one...
It ain't my choice but I knew that GD was who they would choose. |
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Location: Seattle | Funny how it all cycles....
Joaquin Phoenix and Reese Witherspoon making Johnny Cash's music relevant to a entirely different demographic
15-25 year olds playing RockBand with music their parents grew up with. AND THEN buying the TABS from RockBand
( See http://www.amazon.com/Rock-Band-Guitar-Recorded-Versions/dp/1423434... )
Some of which were originally recorded with the Ovation Sound. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | No... I stand corrected.
Stevie Nicks couldn't have been prerecorded... :mad: :eek:
(And she only owns that one black dress, right?) |
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Location: ms | How much does a grammy cost? Ask Taylor Swifts dad or record label. Somebody had to buy that cause she can`t sing for crap. Seems like a good kid , might be great one day but she can`t sing. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Obviously that part was live; yes, TS was very off pitch for the first song; she got better and by the last of the three she was back on...I think she had monitor trouble...I had a similar experience several years ago at a large outdoor venue...the monitor system was malfunctioning and I could not hear...consequently, I was off key for several songs...very embarrassing...
hey, she's also only 20 years old..singing w/Stevie Nicks...the word nervous comes to mind as well...
Bottom line: she has the number 1 selling album in all genre's this year...oh yeah, she can sing...
Man, its easy to criticize...her mom and dad supported her in letting her find her way and she turned being the brunt of jokes as a school social outcast into a well of songwriting ideas...and beat the cream of the Hollywood half dressed crowd in the process...good for her! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | TS always sings off key live. It happens nearly every time she performs live (that I have seen her). She's a studio artifact. Can you say, "Auto Pitch". |
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Location: WNC-God's Country | I think her dad's 4 million dollar investment paid off well....Swift Trucking is very profitable..After all it is the music "business" |
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Location: Vernon CT | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
TS always sings off key live. It happens nearly every time she performs live (that I have seen her). She's a studio artifact. Can you say, "Auto Pitch". I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that.
EVERY TIME I hear her Live, she's sounds off. Give her credit though,Shes got something that "fans" like. Cute kid, decent songwriter for her age/genre. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | All in all I thought this was one of the best Grammy shows I've ever seen. The opening number with Gaga and Elton John, Pink's high flying act, Green Day's musical number, all rocked. Oh sure, the sound could have been better and it seemed most had pitch issues at some point, but it's live and everyone seemed to be having fun. I even liked Dave Mathews' performance.
The campy moments with Colbert and his daughter were fun, and the gal that brought a little kid (wearing a tux) up to the mic and asked "you you want to say anything" and he just said "no thank you" was very cute as well.
As someone mentioned on the show, Record companies are gone. Grammy's are based primarily on sales. Sure there are plenty of great artists and musicians who's material doesn't see the light of day, but in the end, as the Grammy's are an music "industry" award, sales matter.
Keep in mind, just a fraction of the awardsee's are shown on the show.. http://www.grammy.com/nominees |
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Location: Tennessee | Taylor Swift started getting the rap that she couldn't sing live, so "they" decided to do an Ashley Simpson with her. Lefsetz outted her on the whole autopitch and hard drive performances at her live shows several months ago. She and her management denied it heavily, but the soundboard guys ratted her out. So now I think Taylor, Inc is trying to do everything without electronic enhancement and it's showing she doesn't really have it. Her abilities are largely due to studio magic. But you've gotta give her credit for going out and giving it a try. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I did enjoy Pink's "theater" piece and both GD and DMB were well done... As for Taylor, I'm in with Bobbo. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Actually, I thought I saw an ovation played by one of two chicks perched on a chair. It was one of the big production numbers, so they played a very minor role and as far as I could tell the girls were there for decoration. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Doesn't TS play her own intruments? And maybe over time she'll develop some presence. She's pretty enough, and if you compare her voice to the cRapsters with their ridiculous cher-voco-coder modulation she looks like a fricken' Pavaroti. |
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Location: Texas | I am just really happy that John McLaughlin got the Grammy for Best Jazz Instrumental Album of the year for:
“Five Peace Band – Live - Chick Corea & John McLaughlin”
http://www.abstractlogix.com/xcart/product.php?productid=24092
I have been listening to it since it came out about a year ago and I highly recommend it if you are into Jazz Fusion.
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Originally posted by War Eagle:
I think her dad's 4 million dollar investment paid off well....Swift Trucking is very profitable..After all it is the music "business" Keith, I was unaware of any connection between her and the over-the-road transportation company.
After some quick searches and snooping, I found an article that contained this excerpt:
"The family then moved from Pennsylvania to Nashville, Tenn., with Scott relocating his business, the Swift Group at Merrill Lynch, where he has worked for 30 years and is now a first vice president. He stays home with Austin, who he says is also a huge success as a photographer for Getty Images with photos in Rolling Stone and People magazines, while Andrea tours with Taylor."
On a related note...
Do you know what a Swift Transportation truck driver and a state highway worker have in common?
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They both get to watch FAST trucks go by! |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I went back today and watched portions of the show again...and I reiterate that Taylor's performance was pitchy and off key in every song: although the final song was the best of the three and the one most on pitch. Since I am a newbie about TS, I decided to do some searching and find out what others are talking about. I read a lot and learned a lot. I read a lot of conjecture but in the end I believe what others have said about her vocal problems. I have not seen her live and cannot afford the ticket prices for her concerts to take my daughter to. So she will have to listen to CD's and DVD's for the foreseeable future. But it is interesting. Here is a nice link by Lefsetz:
Phone call
In the end, tell me which of those groups did not use some form of enhancement in their performances...I don't think you can. Probably why TS's set stood out particularly if she is not using any thing now. Even Stevie Nicks was pitchy (something that is not new to her either).
Hey, talk about pitchy: several big names come to mind that have way less than perfect pitch...
As for Taylor, I appreciate the songwriting the most for the lessons it can give to girls in particular who have not made the mistakes yet they would grow to regret...as a parent, I appreciate that help.
I enjoyed the show with a few exceptions...better than some recent ones. |
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Location: Utah | I went back and listened to Taylor's performance on TIVO after seeing several threads online today about her pitchiness. Sara is a fan of Taylor, and recently discovered that Taylor used to vacation at the same beach town we do, and used to play at the coffee shop.
Anyhow, Taylor did pretty well on her own songs but really had a bad time on the harmonies with Stevie Nicks. It makes me think that they didn't have a lot of rehearsal time on the duet, and/or that harmonies aren't her strong suit.
The bottom line is that while we can criticize Taylor's pitch, she is a heck of a lot better than many, many very successful musicians. It is about the entertainment value, not the technical expertise, when it comes to the pop music scene. I give her a lot of credit for doing what she does and for her songwriting skills. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Now when I was picking on Swift and Nicks it was for fun, and obviously Live.
You can Look and Listen Again...
Stevie is singing songs that she wrote and performed before Taylor was born!
And she was stumbling on the lyrics of Taylor's song, so they are even.
Plus Taylor plays her own guitar!
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Location: Chicago | For an old jazz lover, it's a miracle to see John McLaughlin gigging with Corea for a few years now AND to win a Grammy. Whoo Hoo!
I recall John being in a funk 15 years ago saying that by 2010 he'd be in wheel chair. Hell NO! He's in great shape and still going strong.
Confession: my favorite JM and Chick will always be their acoustic work: Shakti, for example and "Now He Sings, Now He Sobs" etc. |
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Location: Texas | I think TS is talented, but, sadly, talent is only a minor ingredient required for success in the music business today.
I'm probably going to get blasted for this example, but I think Don Henley has a heck of a lot more business sense than talent, yet he has kept The Eagles perennially profitable, throwing out artists and creativity along the way, because profits are how success is measured, period.
More often than not, Best Record goes to Best-Selling Record, regardless of the musical talent (or lack thereof) involved. They reward marketing, not creativity.
Monday is officially OFC "cynical" day, right?
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Location: ms | How could Stevie sing on key. She was trying to lower herself to Taylors very limited range and if you had never tryed to sing with somebody whose voice is jumping all over the place , its hard to do. Money makes the world go round and Taylor Swifts world has been bought and paid for. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Standing,
You are right on point. I think many forget that the Grammy's are "(originally called the Gramophone Awards)—or Grammys—are presented annually by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences of the United States for outstanding achievements in the music industry."
It's for outstanding achievement in the industry, not most talented or most popular, although it's nice when talented and popular run in parallel.
If you sell more albums than everyone else, that's an achievement. |
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Location: Utah | Springsteen doesn't sing on pitch. Bob Dylan? Most of the time the word is as much a mystery as the note being sung by both of those two. What the heck is Joe Cocker saying? Does anyone know what a "crossfire hurricane" is?
Taylor Swift is neither the most nor the least gifted vocalist to be a big music star. She's got something that appeals to millions of fans. Technical perfection is not the only ingredient to success. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I heard part of one of her songs and thought she was off key. That's hard for me to listen to, so I surfed for something else.
I've often wondered if anyone else notices off key singers or if it just bothers me more than it bothers others. Apparently I'm not alone.
Ben Folds is another that can't seem to find the right note, but I wonder if he knows it. My daughter was listening to him. I immediately recognized him because he's always off. She was singing along and I asked her, "When you sing along with Ben Folds. . ." and she interrupted, "do I sing on key?" I guess she hears it too. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | OK, you too can have that Perfect Pitch experience:
Auto Tune
Hey Stephen...... ;) |
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Location: ms | OK even Faith Hill, Reba, that chick thats married to Garth brooks can all have off nights but i`ve never see Taylor out of all the live tv shes done have a on night. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | How easy it is to criticize from the other side of the TV screen. Let's see ONE of us get up and do what these performers did. I applaud all of them. I think Swift was awesome and always is. What a great role model for young girls. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | "OK even Faith Hill, Reba, that chick thats married to Garth brooks can all have off nights..."
Garth's wife is Trisha Yearwood and, IMO, has one of the best voices in music. I've admittedly only seen her sing live a few times but she's never hit a bad note to my ears. Incredible voice. |
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Location: Canada | Taylor is miserable live. BE it on a award show, talk show, whatever, I just can't listen to her sing. I really want that KOA Taylor she has though, without the odd hole cover thing though.
As for the lack of Ovations, as someone said earlier, Ovation just hasn't kept up with the times. I love mine, don't get me wrong, but O needs something new, something wooden to compete with others. I truly believe they have some of the best playing necks in the acoustic biz, but I do wish mine was all wood, even if for just cosmetic reasons. The Adamas, while I myself appreciate what they are, they are just odd and old looking for most people. The Bindings, the bridge, looks almost Victorian at times. The rough finish isn't impressive either when your looking at a large rack of guitars. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Newf:
Taylor is miserable live. I agree. They look nice, but their electronics are just terrible. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by MusicMishka:
OK, you too can have that Perfect Pitch experience:
Auto Tune
Hey Stephen...... ;) |
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Location: ms | I have played on TV , live TV. But it was for a girl that could sing. When she was younger i played for Brandon Jane from the band Coldwater Jane. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Singing off-key never hurt Johnny Cash either.
Most of 'em should be called "Song Writer/Singer" instead of the other way around. |
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Grammys............no Ovations.....