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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Now that we are up and running again, I have a suggestion;
If YOU don't have a guitar or related item for sale, you can't start a post in the "FOR SALE" section. |
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| This is good! solves a lot of problems for the guy's who are trying to sell or want to buy a nice guitar. We all search ebay we know how to do it.....RIGHT????......What's the point.... We all know how to search Craigslist by distance...Right.....?? If not you should....there are web sites that do this for you. look them up.... they are not hard to find...
In know I have bitched about all the ebay heads up and the craigslist stuff or other crap that bumps everyones messages that are legitimate and offered to members to the bottom real fast...... My comments were not well recieved and not many (but some) of the guy's who I know are bothered by this, as well, did not bother to voice support when I did.
So if this is an issue with you at all...MENTION IT here. I think this is a perfect suggestion and I see no reason why anyone would be offended or not want to comply with this request. If you have a friend who has a guitar....list it.....just post a price for them....if you have an ebay auction running or a craigslist ad....post it.....
If it is not your guitar and you just want to go all Quasimodo with the information for us....please save it. Who know,s SOME poor slob might get a good deal on a guitar no one else saw.
There's my 6 cents, must be worth 2 even in this economy. Way to go Jeff...that and spell checking for me would be great!
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | How about posts wanting to purchase an ovation?
Should that request be posted over here as it's as much a request for info as anything else?
My own WTB ad for a parlor over there is a perfect example. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I don't think there is anything wrong with calling attention to something that is truly unique or collectable ...
"Hey guys look, Danny Partridge's original Typhoon bass is for sale."
But quite often certain members post somebody's sale here just to either make fun of the price, make fun of the description, make fun of the photos, etc. Basically to pat themselves on the back how much more THEY know than the seller. Well, congratulations.
If it was up to me I would just ban it unless you are the one selling it. But what do I know ... |
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Location: Indiana | There are occasionally good outcomes to those postings though.
Noah got a Book Mando last year because I posted the local Craigs list ad. The seller didn't want to ship so I did the footwork for him. Seems to fit the spirit of the OFC. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | There's only 23 Book Mando's in the world. I don't think there is anything wrong with posting one if you see it. |
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Location: NJ | the problem as I see it are the price police.
How many times someone posts an instrument then finds us here to find that he/she has been bashed to no end.
find it
post it
bash it
you get a vacation
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I have often posted PSA about guitars that I would like to have bought but could not afford.
But I watch evilBay alot! So I frequently think "OH! Whadda Deal! But No Money! :mad: "
There may be some folks who do not search eBay and don't have a button on their toolbar to "evilBay Ovation".
I am sure that there are people who have benefited from a heads-up. 
But it ain't really a point-of-contention to me... I'm happy either way.
Some fora have a firm policy on this...
BC Rich Players Community requires 20 posts before you can post something For Sale.
Maybe a poll would be a simple way to decide this... Or just an Executive Decision. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | "Want To Buy"
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | What Gallerinski and Alpep have stated is how it will be.
Find something cool.. post it in the for sale section. Bash it or make comments that elude to anything more than "check this out" and essentially you are breaking the one rule of "be nice to each to other" because there is a good chance, the person who placed that ad on CL or eBay is a member.
Also, you don't have to go far to find utilities to search... just click SEARCH above. The MegaSearch searches ebay and Craigslist. If you want those results higher up, just add the words ebay or craigs to your search. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I don't think there is anything wrong with calling attention to something that is truly unique or collectable ...
"Hey guys look, Danny Partridge's original Typhoon bass is for sale."
But quite often certain members post somebody's sale here just to either make fun of the price, make fun of the description, make fun of the photos, etc. Basically to pat themselves on the back how much more THEY know than the seller. Well, congratulations.
If it was up to me I would just ban it unless you are the one selling it. But what do I know ... Forgive me...
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| Well for what it's worth, I suppose the heads up on a great guitar could be a good thing....But it is the endless dribble and silly worthless comments about it that ruin the For Sale section for members who actually are trying to sell something. So What Al & Miles and others have mentioned makes sense don't bash the guitars, but perhaps there is some way people can just keep the worthless clutter of comments to a minimum out of RESPECT. ? I will never forget I was trying to sell a one of a kind Adamas in here... a while back and there were a few comments and people with honest interest and almost imediately there were posting after posting from a couple of people about the oddest guitars and those posts had 30 replys and none of it had any value what so ever. It seems at times to be purposeful when your the guy selling. especially when the threads are not even about Ovation guitars.
I hate to see you work to add more to this site Miles but since it seems it is not hard to just shut it down when you want perhaps you could add an "HEADS UP ON AN INTERESTING ITEM" category fairly easily to the For Sale Section?
Then the members who want to go this way can post away...following the rules. OF course.
Would that be more than you'd want to bother with?
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Location: NW Washington State | If the software allows, maybe only the original poster could add to the thread.
I'd agree with a ban on postings of items from Craigslist and eBay.
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
What Gallerinski and Alpep have stated is how it will be. I'm confused as to why this thread is continuing. What Miles said seems clear enough to me. |
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Location: Texas | All good points. I agree that you should never needlessly bash another member's for-sale post, but…
If we are not allowed to comment at all, what happens if someone misrepresents what they are listing? Do we just let another member get "taken" because we can't comment? (Yes that's very unlikely, but there's always someone with dishonorable intentions,) shouldn't we "watch each other's back" in the for sale section? Maybe we shouldn't? I would just hate to ever read a thread entitled "I was ripped of in the For Sale section" Is that a valid concern?
Also, if someone posts an outside E-Bay (or other) listing and then another member points out a flaw or potential problem with the item, isn't that of value to our members?
How hard would it be to keep the "For Sale" section for member listings and just add another section for posting "look what I found?" type of items?
Even if you search 24/7, you still won't find half of the interesting Ovations and related items that are for sale out there. If a member stumbles on something that they don't want or need but they know might appeal to someone here, what is the harm in posting it somewhere?
For example: The only reason that I own a 1598-MEII is because a member happened to notice an attractive price on a used one online, they didn't want it, so they posted it here. I was able to grab it and I am eternally grateful. That's a really nice benefit of membership here that I would hate to see outlawed completely.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I said, You can't START a topic in the "ForSale" forum unless you are the one selling it.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Ditto JEFF +200
PSA, CL, ebay ads FROM NON-MEMBERS should all just go in the general section. There are a lot more people that would probably see it in the general posting than the FOR SALE section anyway.
FOR SALE or WANT TO BUY should be for member items only whether it is a guitar an amp a pedal or an old BelAir station wagon to haul your equipment to the gigs. |
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| Whatever it takes to have the members For Sale Section become a for sale section for the members items only.
Posting heads up threads about ebay or other things need to go in a seperate section within the "for sale" forum or right straight in the general posting section.
Either way we all are saying the same thing and the problem is solved.
No need for the devils advocate, and all the other worries are solved by seperating this stuff.
I don't see the problem with this thinking?
As far as I know..No one in this thread ever said anything about people wanting a guitar can't post. Why anyone would come to this conclusion from the posts so far ... is beyond me.
As for continuing a thread, this is a discusson site, if someone has violated some rule I am sure Miles will take the actions needed to remedy this. No one is picking on anyone here...relax ....we are just making a point that does have some validity and it has been a problem for many people I have spoken to privately through the years but they seem to always remain silent. I if I remember right Al backed me up once when I kinda did the wrong thing and posted my feelings right in the for sale section about this. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Just to re-iterate..
Find something cool.. post it in the FOR SALE section. Bash it or make comments that elude to anything more than "check this out" and essentially you are breaking the one rule of "be nice to each to other" because there is a good chance, the person who placed that ad on CL or eBay is a member.
Also, you don't have to go far to find utilities to search... just click SEARCH above. The MegaSearch searches ebay and Craigslist. If you want those results higher up, just add the words ebay or Craigs to your search.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I had closed this thread, then re-opened it as some of the other comments need to be addressed at their root level of WHY it will be how I stated above.
"FROM NON-MEMBERS should all just go in the general section. "
- NO THEY SHOULDN'T. They go into the FOR SALE section. The members, the majority that DON'T post, use the FOR SALE section to find stuff and it serves as a nice reference.
- If there is a raw deal, that's between the potential buyer and seller. There will be NO PRICE POLICE anymore. We let people get away with it, but it drives away potential participants in the site and also opens the site up for liability.
Again, while we appreciate input, please send it offline to one of the mods for presentation or to me personally. There's no need to discuss it in the forums.
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| I'm sorry that my first post on this forum is about something so trivial. *laugh*
On a few other fora I inhabit, there's a section for "Saw it on eBay/Craigslist/Local Classifieds!" Things which are posted in the wrong area get reported, and quickly get moved or deleted. WTB and FS/FT ads manage to coexist peacefully in the actual classified section.
The place where I always see people going wrong is assuming that they have to inform everyone about something for sale they've run across, because someone might have missed it. By putting all the spam... er, helpful forwarding of a lot of unrequested information into a section reserved for it, the main discussion area won't be diluted by a lot of unrelated and unvouched for ads.
Although I wasn't a member at the time, I've gained from the classifieds here, as they made me aware of a member selling on eBay. The guitar, a 12-string, has since been altered into a six-course, unison tuned mandophone. It was a fair price, as all the ads here seem to be.
Straightforward postings about items members have for sale, or that members want, make the forum helpful to the members who make up the community. Members are putting their good name behind items for sale, and that good name is a reason I trust the ads from members. I think the value of that in the regular for sale section shouldn't be diluted by the posting of items that one can't vouch for. |
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| Well thanks for the opportunity to discuss something you do not seem to want discussed in here. I was wrong with my statement about this being a discusson site and that this was a topic that warranted some merit.
I guess you decide what we discuss as well.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Now Northcountry, you know better.. I really thought I was just saving people some time and effort.
The first post was not "discussion" but rather statement, and an incorrect one at that. It was followed by some suggestions and some more statements, some of which were incorrect but all of which are discussed in depth and reviewed often. It's not like this is the first time it has come up... won't be the last.
I'm sure there were 10 better ways to say it, but it just seemed somewhat wasteful to have a discussion, getting peoples emotions up, about something which the people discussing don't really have any control over. It's not that I don't take the input, I do, but at the end of the day, I'm going to do what is best for the users of this site. And by users, I mean ALL users, not just the few that post.
If you feel you must discuss... by all means.. discuss, make suggestions, but do not (and I don't think you did) post "policy" and "rules" such as telling people where they should or shouldn't post things unless you have the information correct.
If an item is for sale, it goes in the for sale section. If it's an ad of something interesting on CL or eBay, please note on the link that it's just an interesting ad or something we might be interested in. No price police, accusations of scams, etc..
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Location: Texas | Northcountry, I respectfully suggest that your last post was uncalled-for. The moderators have no obligation to ever allow us to publicly discuss board policies, but they usually let such discussions exist if we all remain civil. Plus they frequently respond to our suggestions.
However no-one ever said this was a democracy. In fact, Miles and Al CAN decide what we discuss if they choose, they just rarely enforce that power, and only ask for us to follow a relatively small number of rules.
One of them is to be nice to each other…
(…and none of that necessarily means that I don't agree with you or respect your opinions…)
If they have made a definitive statement of policy, further public discussion serves little purpose. You can always PM Miles if you feel you have a legitimate concern.
That said, and probably because I am dense, I don't know if I completely understand the "for sale" policy, but I think this summarizes it:
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All posts regarding sales belong in the "For Sale" section, whether from members, E-Bay, the local Pawn Shop, etc. We are not allowed to make any statements anywhere in the OFC forum which are critical of any post of any item listed for sale whether listed in the OFC "For Sale" section or anywhere else on the 'net.
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| My second post, and still really not related to Ovation or Adamas guitars... *laugh*
One of the best parts of the "Saw it on eBay/Craigslist/elsewhere!" on the Mandolin Cafe is the regular pointing out of someone posting items that are hugely mislabeled. Some of the sellers of such things have fraudulently sold misidentified items before. I always thought it was nice that the community was vigilant and sought to protect its members from fraud, as well as from well meaning but mistakenly labeled items for sale.
Is keeping other members of the OFC free from such dangers a nice thing, or a naughty thing? My suspicion is that it falls under nice, and if someone were to offer an item which was not what it seemed, then the naughtiness belongs to the person who is making the offering, not the person who is pointing it out.
It's my assumption that the mods here really care about the forum, and that a factual post regarding items for sale, free from emotion and rhetoric, would be allowed. I've seen such things here and elsewhere, along the lines of "I think that used to be Randy's instrument," or "I received an empty box from that seller on eBay and he never made good. Read what I wrote on the feedback." Regardless of whether a seller is a member or not, I think such information is being helpful and nice to other members. I feel confident that the intention of the mods is not to protect fraudulent sellers, but just to prevent folks from being catty.
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| Like I said thanks for the special allowance if this is not normally something allowed....I actually did not know this....and YES I did find it rude in a way as this has been a problem for many who post in here.....Sorry Miles...for my experience we most likely represent more of the non posting forums feelings than you realize....
I also thought is was very a simple thing to just add another section that says something simple like; ...."Off Site Sale Items" .... withn in the For Sale Section.
Like you said miles it is something that has come up........... sounds like Time and Time again..... and My simple thoughts If I may...??? were how hard would it be to actually just "SOLVE" the dam thing rather than perpetuate this credible observation? A simple extra section would do it. Now I can only "ASSUME" this is not an extremely hard thing to do......This is what I base my comments on.
Great Site Miles, I have said it a hundred times.....Good people, good information....great guitars. My suggestions...and those of a few others.....would only help in the long run.
You don't see it this way. Well that's the way it is then. It is certainly your Sand Box Brotha.
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Nothing in this world is ever 'solved'. Every single thing we do is just the way we choose to do it until it becomes inconvenient or a shiny new idea catches the eye.
Any decisions made this week may or may not be valid or recognized by the group in 6 months times.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Nubilee...
You hit the nail on the head. Facts are fine. The only problem we really ever had is the "price police" which just can no longer be tolerated.
I think the effort in general needs to remain on Ovation guitars here. Someone who is smart enough to use eBay or Craigslist is smart enough to search for a price base. If they searched, they were here. Period.. no question. It's pretty hard to search for anything Ovation and NOT end up here. So if someone misrepresents an instrument (not maliciously, but just gives an incorrect description) the only ones to blame are those who post here as that's likely where the person got the information from in the first place.
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| And in keeping with the goals of the forum, I have done just that, introducing myself in the Welcome Center.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
I'm going to do what is best for the users of this site. And by users, I mean ALL users, not just the few that post. Thanks Miles!
I really wish I could see this site through the eyes of a Administrator/Moderator...
Y'know? Just to see how many folks visit here and search around but never post.
So, you mean that the members of this site are not just the three dozen people who post all the time? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | OMA,
We average 250 new people each month visiting the site, around 1000 people visit each day. While these numbers can be reduced by as much as 2 or 3% to accommodate people who access the site from multiple computers, still... to respond to your assertion.. "the members of this site are not just the three dozen people who post all the time?" that is correct. But, at the same time, without those who do post, this site would be nothing at all. It is a somewhat challenging juggling act to continue to attract the new folks, the folks that maybe someday will participate but likely won't, and yet keep the folks that help build this wealth of knowledge interested. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
The first post was not "discussion" but rather statement, and an incorrect one at that. I clearly labeled my first post as a "suggestion" in the very first line. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | HI Jeff,
Yeppers you did suggest it was a suggestion. Just didn't read it that way the first few passes. Not sure why. Maybe cause it's a suggestion for a solution and a problem wasn't identified first? Not sure.. but yes, you did frame it as a suggestion. my bad. |
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| "Some people Own the corner lot. The rest of us are just millin around, fingering our bag-O-marbles waiting for a chance to get in the game"
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Location: Texas | Sooo, when someone posts, for example, an Ebay listing, is it violating the rules to say "That model didn't come with that bridge" or "looks like there's a crack on the headstock" as long as we don't discuss the price/value? Is it only negative comments that we must avoid? Can we say "that's a great price for that guitar"?
Not to beat a dead horse, but I still don't know exactly where the line should be drawn.
It's not my decision, but I hope such comments are still allowed. IMHO, whether the seller is dishonest or just uneducated about the item, it is a service to our members/readers to point such things out. Again just my 2¢…
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Location: NJ | I see no problem with mentioning issues that a guitar may have but sometimes lighting of a pic plays a big part on if something looks cracked or not.
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...if you over step the line we'll let you know 
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Location: Michigan | I think Miles has nailed it and explained it more than clear enough. As it states at the top of the page:
"This are is NOT intended as a "classifieds" section, but more like the bulletin board of your local music hangout where you can buy, sell or trade gear. Vendors and Dealers are welcome as always and your support is appreciated. However, this website is not intended to be a storefront to a captive audience. Postings of specials, and/or other interesting items this community may be interested in is welcome and encouraged, but abuse of this privilege will not be tolerated."
What else really has to be said. As much as I frequent the board I really don't see the Classifieds as being overrun by irrevelent posts. Go to a site like Fredmiranda.com and post something for sale. You will be lucky if it stays on the first page for an hour. This is a small and friendly group so discussion and banter makes it fun for me. Just my 2 cents. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | if you over step the line we'll let you know
Thanks Al and Miles.
Just like in the playground...
I am glad that we have all this cleared-up...
Anything else y'all don't like about the board?
Posting pics of non-O guitars?
Expressing dislike of Deep, Contour or any other type of bowl?
Expressing a dislike of that yucky blue Adamas color?
Having an extensive sig line that may cause envy of other members?
Expressing a desire to actually buy and learn to play a banjo? |
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Use common sense and don't critique anyone's price. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by alpep:
also think about how much it stinks to list a guitar for sale and then have 15 posts about celebrities that are overpriced to knock your for sale post out of the vision especially considering how management "frowns" on the traditional "bump" that other boards use way too frequently to keep their thread visible and on top. |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
To Al's point...
It's a diservice to posting members for their item to be buried by other members, not selling, and posting off site items. Agreed, but that's a different issue than the price-police question. I think that Miles has made it clear that the proper place for adding EBay "finds" etc is the "For Sale" section. As long as that is the case, member listings will inevitalby "sink" down the list faster.
Maybe members should always start their topic with "For Sale by MEMBER", it's clear, and it makes finding member sales with a search pretty simple…?
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| Well now there are some members speaking up about the point I have been trying to make.
If you create a HEADS UP ON NON MEMBER ITEMS" section this will end the disservice some of the members feel about seing their prized rare Ovation guitar lost in a blizzard of worthless comments about some funny looking guitar that has CRACK THAT LOOKS LIKE JESUS ON IT..... these threads seem to attract posters like moths..
.. While; A rare Guitar worth thousands of dollars and offered by a member to other members and at the same time is far more valuable to this SITE to lose while it gets slowly buried... than the EFFORT it would take take to CREATE ANOTHER PLACE FOR THIS STUFF.....Again...IMHO
As for the Price Police this is a totally seperate issue......I have no comment or complaint about it I see the point and understand it.....The most important point is the one I think several of us are addressing. This problem seems a simple enough fix to me.
The problem keeps rearing its ugly head because....again IMHO...the problem is either not recognized as a problem.... or for whatever reason it is not being addressed.
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| I just noticed someone found the rules and posted them in here to help......OK......lets look at them....;
"This are is NOT intended as a "classifieds" section, but more like the bulletin board of your local music hangout where you can buy, sell or trade gear. Vendors and Dealers are welcome as always and your support is appreciated. However, this website is not intended to be a storefront to a captive audience. Postings of specials, and/or other interesting items this community may be interested in is welcome and encouraged, but abuse of this privilege will not be tolerated."
Sorry Miles... this is a great message and I get it... but I have never seen someone tac a message about some goffy ebay auction on the bulletin board of my local guitar shop. I don't need the "If you think this is bad you should see this other web site" comments. I do not understand why people would not want to see this stuff seperated out from the members items......I am not asking to stop people from posting these OFF SITE AUCTIONS or ITEMS FOR SALE if you have some impluse to share ....I am just suggesting that these postings have their own place. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Topic: Posting Guitars You're Not Selling
  
Here are a few that I am not selling... :D
But unemployment is running-out so there are some that I may be selling soon. :mad: |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Thank you for your suggestion Northcountry |
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| No, Thank you, for allowing this to be discussed. And please recognize that I am not the only one who feels this way.
No problem really, there will just be a lot of "BUMPS" for those who want to keep their auction above water for a while. Simple enough I guess.
Back to the Marbles.......... |
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Location: NJ | nope there will be no "bumps"
I made that clear long ago |
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Location: south east Michigan | Randy... you remind me of the story about the kid at the zoo... with a stick... who thought it was great fun to poke at the polar bear until... |
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Location: NJ | randy
if you want a vacation just say so. |
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| Well I thought this was a very very good post, and one that warrented a little more response. I actually thought Al and I were making the same point actually and I do not see how this thread or any of the content within can be fodder for anyone to give anyone a Vacation...I did not know I was breaking any rules?
Fair enough gentlemen..... You've certainly made your point. I on the other hand have apparently not.
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Location: NJ | will someone please explain to Randy what "pushing someone's buttons" means!!!
I have an important meeting in 10 minutes and don't have the time to spend on these issues. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | You get in the elevator and want to go to the top floor.
You push 30 and settle in for the wait.
Life is good.
On the 2nd floor a kid jumps in and pushes buttons 3-29 and jumps out.
Life is no longer good because somebody pushed too many buttons.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
On the 2nd floor a kid jumps in and pushes buttons 3-29 and jumps out. On some elevators you can cancel the request by pressing the button a second time. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Or you just punch the information into the kid and kick him off on the next floor......
....you know you want to. |
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| How nice of you to take this opportunity Stephen. Must still be some feelings about our deal that did not work. or is this just in poor taste?
I am on the verge of receiving some sort of retribution for my comments? No need. I'll leave if this is the groups wishes......the moderators see no value in having me here...One of them has declared open season on me...Classy.....
If my comments were enough to get be banned.....Wow, then this is not the open minded and normally interesting group I thought it was. I don't cause trouble in here.
Excuse me but really, this makes little sense to me. This whole attitude is a giant overreaction to any post I have made. Al won't speak to me ( I have tried to call, he hung up, I sent two emails he does not answer) never seen anything quite like this before....anyone wanting a nice deal on a new guitar....take a shot.....the perfect opportunity to be remembered......
This is very wrong gentleman,! nothing I have done warrants this. Nothing..... This deserves explanation but.....a vacation will be the easier choice.
So to get the rules straight apparently it is OK to "ask the group to take pot shots" at a guy who has done NOTHING but make his voice heard about something that seems a simple fix and he apparently posted to many times about it? Thread could have been shut down if it is TOO CONTROVERSIAL TO SUGGEST A PLACE FOR EBAY POSTINGS BE MADE...... If we are discussing this in a thread...then why can't I discuss this???
Is this the Ovation Fan Club? or did the alien pods take someone last night? I am not getting this whole thing.
Stephen your a smart man I thought you might be able to see that...all I was trying to do (since you have painted me as an annoying little kid Thanks again your a nice guy to do that but I'll admit very funny BTW) was get you to try the other elevator you foolishly walk by all the time by showing you the frustrating quality of the ride on this one..........I've held up signs I have tried to kick you in the leg but you continually ignore a better option I know is there for you.... so if pushing all the buttons helped you to find the new elevator and has improved your future upward travel habits....no need to thank me.
Certainly no need to get involved in something that has obviously become more of a problem that it should have, this is NOT IN GOOD TASTE AT ALL at all gentleman....your all having fun at muy expense and this should never have been allowed...you have no GOOD reason to take AL up on his offer of free personal pot shots..I have done nothing to you I onoly wanted to make the for sale section work better.....Your showing me and many others this site does not have the people I thought it did.
Now I suppose this message will be enough to send me... even though This has now become a personal attack through Al's open ended offer to the rest of you....If I did this to Al... I'd be gone by now.
Where is it they send terrible people like me?
Will there be Flowers and green grass?
Been interesting I'll give this site that....I have made a few friends and have a nice collection of Ovation guitars I use on stage and will be using on bigger stages I hope soon.
I don't think I should have to be the brunt of someones personal anger.....especially this level of anger. I have done nothing to warrant this. MILES you make this right or send me on my way. One or the other.
personally I think it wold have been an easy fix, would have made the site better for the guy's trying to sell personal guitars and for the guys who want ot run the heads up posts.
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Location: closely held secret | Some elevators simply go to the top floor, then plummet to the basement, killing all aboard. |
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Location: NJ | randy
I had a meeting this morning that I just got out of
yes almost 5 hours. believe it or not I have a business to run and consider.
I did not answer your e mails because I was NOT AT MY COMPUTER
I hung up on you because you don't get it and I had no time to explain it to you.
bottom line.
the more categories the more choices the more work for the moderators.
all we asked was that the posts not get bashed and there be no price police.
for some reason you can't get that.
"I love it when I know the next response. " your words these are breaking my b***s and I don't need it today or any other day.
Now you are getting into personal attacks on me.
Did I really need to tell you my schedule for today? is it your business? do you think I sit at the computer just waiting for your e mail to come through so I can answer it?
c'mom randy STOP IT |
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| Wow Al, what you did was way wrong dude.
You're so far gone you don't see you made it personal...not me....you took it to new heights by asking the whole group to do your dirty work for you. That is way bad....
That's not a site I want to be involved with..nor would any decent person.
Thanks for at least giving me the reason you did not want the extra section to be added.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF YOU JUST TYPED THAT TO BEGIN WITH...and saved all this and saved a good customer.
you do what you want to me, I will be of no use to you anymore anyway. Hey...you hung up that phone in 3 seconds.....no explaination...just childishness. very surprised by this. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Northcountry:
How nice of you to take this opportunity Stephen. Must still be some feelings about our deal that did not work. or is this just in poor taste?
(since you have painted me as an annoying little kid Thanks again your a nice guy to do that but I'll admit very funny BTW)
Come one Randy...grow up.
I have agreed with you many times about the "FOR SALE" section. I am just smart enough to know when to drop it and pick it up another time and place.
Interesting that you saw "yourself" as the annoying kid in the elevator. I didn't. I was just posting a humorous response to button pushing and an actual experience that happened to me. Sorry you took it personal but maybe you were feeling guilty.
If you reread the thread it appears that you are TRYING to get a vacation ala Glenn H with the way you keep coming back after you say you are done.
As far as our almost deal goes.....why would I have any hard feelings over that? I have had hundreds of deals that didn't work out cause one side or the other wasn't comfortable with the terms or the "value" of the trade to each member. Hadn't even thought about it since the day it fell apart.
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| Was not worried about the little kid scenario Stephen, I thought it was in poor taste for you to not notice, that Al in the position he is in, had encourage others to do his bidding. This was not a decent thing to do to get his way or to make his point no matter how right he may be.
I was offended to see you post for him. any of you guy's. If you don't see that then you grow up my friend. I thought the little kid pushing the buttons wa funny myself..already said that but it was posted as a direct response to Al's request that you guys take personal interest in setting me straight....so it was taken that way.
did not take a big leap to come to that conclusion...it is easy to say....ohh come on now grow up....I was just kidding.....so was I Stephen........
Al finally gave the explaination that was needed. I am OK with it, "he" could have saved (or Miles as well for that matter) this whole thing. by just saying it is too much work to monitor another section.
But instead Al lost it and gets to blame it on me.
Hey like I said. I'm out of marbles and not welcome on the corner lot anymore. Kids are too tought for me here anyway. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | So the sun is shining in Hot Springs, and I just learned a new song. Got a delicious cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee sitting in front of me, and I get to visit with my friends of the OFC. I sure wish I could spread this happiness around so all of you folks could feel it too.
I won't ask you guys to kiss and make up because I think that might not appeal to you (and I doubt if you wear make-up.) But how about a "Well, I guess we had a misunderstanding, but I won't take offense."? After all that we have been through lately here on the board, isn't it enough to know that we're back and that no matter what, that has made our lives more interesting and rewarding?
I know, it's none of my business, so I'll butt out. But it IS a beautiful day. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Alison,
I was just talking to my soul mate this morning about our trip out to S Dakota this summmer. She is having to decide between AI4 or your gathering because she is due for a knee replacement surgery within the next 4-8 weeks. If she does it sooner, then AI is out....later then SD is out.
She doesn't want to miss out on either event but this morning she mentioned "I have never been to the Dakotas" so it looks like she is leaning that way.
Regardless, it will be a good time and I am sure beautiful weather! |
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