Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?
yoch
Posted 2010-01-20 4:12 PM (#381785)
Subject: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Speck in finish of top with indentation over the speck.
2 pics.
Use Zoom In function to see the indentation...

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab235/Yochanan757/2078LE/
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-20 4:26 PM (#381786 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Originally posted by yoch:
Dust speck in finish of top with indentation over the speck.
2 pics.
Use Zoom In function to see the indentation in the second photo....It shows up in the middle of the light reflection.

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab235/Yochanan757/2078LE/
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-01-20 5:17 PM (#381787 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?



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Okay... Contact the dealer and ask for a discount.
But eventually you will put another dent just like it somewhere.
Which begs the question, "When and Where did that flaw happen?"
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Trader Jim
Posted 2010-01-20 5:25 PM (#381788 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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You can never keep a guitar pristine unless you keep it in the case. Take it out, and you've got a ding. Yours just got it early, consider yourself lucky it's so small.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-01-20 5:35 PM (#381789 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?
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If it's under the finish it should have been caught at the QC check in the factory. But stuff slips through. You could return it and get another one and it could have a different problem.
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War Eagle
Posted 2010-01-20 5:47 PM (#381790 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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I'd be pissed...Sell it to TJ for half price !!
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-20 5:48 PM (#381791 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Thanks...
Yep... I understand it could be worse or something else...

Not a big deal since it's so small... I just don't want it to cause a crack in the finish somewhere down the road.
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BT717
Posted 2010-01-20 5:54 PM (#381792 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Originally posted by War Eagle:
I'd be pissed...Sell it to TJ for half price !!
He should just sell it to whomever is gonna buy it off TJ in 2-3 weeks. Saves on shipping charges! :D
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Nick B.
Posted 2010-01-20 6:02 PM (#381793 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?



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Originally posted by yoch:
... I just don't want it to cause a crack in the finish somewhere down the road.
It's obvious this is bothering you, as it would a lot of folks who just bought a premium guitar that arrived with a defect. Contact the dealer you bought it from and explain the situation. Even if you decide not to do anything about it right now, at least they'll have a record of it should something happen later on down the road.
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guitarwannabee
Posted 2010-01-20 6:23 PM (#381794 - in reply to #381785)
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yoch it must already bother you if you made this post .if you are a person who has a bit of o.c.d. then you will spend the rest of your life looking at that flaw every time that you pick up your guitar.it is the human element in us.
nobody else will probably pick up on it but you.
i have a small crack in my drywall at my house and every time i go buy it i just have to look at it.i have fixed it 3 times and after a year or so it keeps coming back but i have to look every time i go by it.
it drives me crazy :eek: but i now have learned to live with it , i think :confused:
i tell myself doug don't look up at the crack in the ceiling when you walk by it :rolleyes: but then the voice in my head says doug you have to look at it and then the voice says no don't look doug ahhhhhh ....
im not looking up at the crack in the drywall ahhhhhh ............ yes doug you have to ,but if i don't look this time it will just go away ahhhhh
don't do it doug .....yes do it doug ahhhhhhhh...........
no no no no make it stop now .... :eek:

does this help yoch :confused: GWB
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stephent28
Posted 2010-01-20 6:39 PM (#381795 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?



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A guitar without dings is one that never gets played.

I once had a VERY EXPENSIVE electric guitar that I babied to no end. Absolutely perfect until I raised it over my head to take it off and landed the headstock smack dab into the turning ceiling fan. Took a good sized nick into the finsh and broke the tuning key.

Small dings never bothered me much after that.

If it sounds good, play it.

Eventually you will forget about it and add a bit more character in new previously unmarked areas.
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-20 6:41 PM (#381796 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Damn, Doug...,.

Now I'm almost as worried about the crack in your drywall....

Ok ok ok ok....."don't think about the crack in Doug's drywall...."

"Ok....I'm not thinking about it now... damn... wish I knew just how big the crack was.... then I probably wouldn't even think about it..."

Thanks BT717... Sent the 8 x 10 glossies with the circles and arrows to both the dealer and Ovation so it's on record...

I sure wish Doug would get the crack in his drywall fixed... :p
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Trader Jim
Posted 2010-01-20 7:12 PM (#381797 - in reply to #381785)
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It's even starting to bother me... :rolleyes:
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-01-20 7:29 PM (#381798 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?



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Oooo! I was just trying to think of all the cracks and flaws in my guitars....

I can't think of any!

Which must mean that none of them are that bad! :D

[Oh wait, the Black CV68 has some pick-tracks and stuff, but it is a Celebrity anyway. :p ]
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FlySig
Posted 2010-01-21 12:12 AM (#381799 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?



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Yoch, that's a pretty nice and expensive Ovation, yes? I would be unhappy with a significant flaw that I can easily see.

My 2007 Collector's has a dust fiber trapped in the finish, which is not really visible except from the player's position where the bump in the finish is visible. From any other location it really isn't noticable. It bothered me a bit at first, but I realize that A) I got a fantastic deal from Al on an FRG guitar, so this was a pretty minor flaw for the huge discount I got, and B) nobody else is ever going to see the flaw.

In your situation, I think that some kind of discount or other satisfaction is reasonable. Either the dealer or the factory should do something to make it right for you.
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guitarwannabee
Posted 2010-01-21 12:25 AM (#381800 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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yoch

you should not let something as small as that make you feel bad about your guitar.here is a perfect example of having to deal with a small imperfection.
hope this helps you out.GWB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jImblMTIBe0
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-21 1:39 AM (#381801 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Thanks y'all..

Every time I pick it up to play, it's dreamlike! Ahhhh. I'll get over it... I think.
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-21 1:40 AM (#381802 - in reply to #381785)
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GWB....
"Perfect example"....... Thanks....
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WillaMuse
Posted 2010-01-21 8:28 AM (#381803 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?



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Doug, don't come to my house! I'd have to call an ambulance for you. Drywall cracks? Where are guys like you when I need one?

Yoch. Just play your gorgeous guitar. You know yourself better than anyone, and if it's bugging you, it's going to keep bugging you. Also, as the guitar ages, the mark will become more visible, no? If it's as tiny as you said, I'd leave it alone and just keep her. I do agree with StephenT28 that a pristine guitar is one that never gets played. That's what they are made for!

If it looks like someone set a wet beer bottle on the top before it was finished, I'd have it replaced, but that's just me.

;)
Willa
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2010-01-21 9:55 AM (#381804 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?



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I regularly gig with one of Takamine's best ever models, the EF75. Our sound engineer was pulling cable around the stage and, of course, yanked out a kink and the metal connector wrapped up against the guitar's top. The sound was ugly and the resulting ding was the first one on the guitar. It is noticeable and really bugged me for awhile. On the other hand, the sound engineer is very talented, a good friend, and he rebuilt a PA system head for me for just the cost of the parts. His continuing friendship is worth more to me than the ding in the guitar, so I'm living with it. Nonetheless, I can't look at the guitar without noticing the ding. Plus, I learned a valuable lesson . . . never leave a guitar in a stage rack until the sound engineer has finished pulling cable.
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Northcountry
Posted 2010-01-21 3:29 PM (#381805 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?
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Email Al and complain. ~!
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Mitzdawg
Posted 2010-01-21 4:53 PM (#381806 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?
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Yoch,
Consider that your guitar is made by humans, and that there's about 193,000 square millimeters on the top of that guitar, and just one of those is less than perfect.

That means that 99.9995% is fine. Pretty good for a human.

Play it!
'dawg
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Darkbar
Posted 2010-01-21 5:32 PM (#381807 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?



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I would sue! Mark in Boise is an attorney...he can help.
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-21 7:12 PM (#381808 - in reply to #381785)
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All good food for thought.......
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-21 7:13 PM (#381809 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Hmmm... W.W.S.D.

What Would Sully Do?
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2010-01-21 7:19 PM (#381810 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Originally posted by dark bar:
I would sue! Mark in Boise is an attorney...he can help.
No thanks. I'd offer to represent Ovation, but I expect Fender has them covered.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-01-21 9:29 PM (#381811 - in reply to #381785)
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What did the seller have to say about it?
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-21 9:47 PM (#381812 - in reply to #381785)
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He considered it a minor Ovation flaw and didn't think it was a big deal.


At this point I'm in agreement. I got a great deal on it so I'm not inclined to make them bend on the price.
I've been playing phone-tag with Ovation... I'll probably connect with them on Monday.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-01-21 9:54 PM (#381813 - in reply to #381785)
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Sounds like it worked out OK for you. Congrats.
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muzza
Posted 2010-01-22 10:15 PM (#381814 - in reply to #381785)
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It's an FRG.

It probably didn't pass the final quality check so was sold as is. I don't think you've got a claim against either the seller OR Ovation - unless the seller claimed it was unblemished - then you might have a case.

You're probably the first person on this board to actually find the fault on their FRG. I don't think anyone else has, (I couldn't) so in that respect, you're just damm unlucky.

Anyway - it's so small. Don't be so precious and play the #*#* out of it and let the ding collection begin. Think of Willy Nelson's guitar - should put it in perspective.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-01-22 10:25 PM (#381815 - in reply to #381785)
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I didn't know it was an FRG. That would explain everything.
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muzza
Posted 2010-01-23 5:54 AM (#381816 - in reply to #381785)
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Y'know, I just went through this thread again and couldn't find the reference to FRG. I don't know where I read that, must've been another thread.

Sorry.

I still think you're being too precious about it though.
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Miguel - BR
Posted 2010-01-23 7:37 AM (#381817 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Originally posted by guitarwannabee:
yoch it must already bother you if you made this post .if you are a person who has a bit of o.c.d. then you will spend the rest of your life looking at that flaw every time that you pick up your guitar.it is the human element in us.
nobody else will probably pick up on it but you.
i have a small crack in my drywall at my house and every time i go buy it i just have to look at it.i have fixed it 3 times and after a year or so it keeps coming back but i have to look every time i go by it.
it drives me crazy :eek: but i now have learned to live with it , i think :confused:
i tell myself doug don't look up at the crack in the ceiling when you walk by it :rolleyes: but then the voice in my head says doug you have to look at it and then the voice says no don't look doug ahhhhhh ....
im not looking up at the crack in the drywall ahhhhhh ............ yes doug you have to ,but if i don't look this time it will just go away ahhhhh
don't do it doug .....yes do it doug ahhhhhhhh...........
no no no no make it stop now .... :eek:

does this help yoch :confused: GWB
That´s easy to solve:

1) Fix it;
2) GLUE a nice picture (sugestion: a nice Ovation picture) over it;
3) it was fixed last time you saw it. Now you don´t see it anymore. Ergo, problem solved, ocd satisfied.
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-30 1:22 AM (#381818 - in reply to #381785)
Subject: Re: Should This Little Flaw Have Me so Wound Up On a New Guitar?


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Just to clear things up.
This isn't an "FRG".
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muzza
Posted 2010-01-30 3:23 AM (#381819 - in reply to #381785)
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Yeah, I don't know where I saw that. I must've read 'FRG' in another thread - sorry bout dat.

Are you still pursuing it, yoch?
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yoch
Posted 2010-01-30 9:28 PM (#381820 - in reply to #381785)
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No,...I had a nice conversation with Ovation and
they volunteered to go all the way to make it right if it continues to bother me.
I appreciate that much but the spot is just tooo small and some insect was lucky enough to have a fragment of his rear-end (looks like) memorialized in the finish of this gorgeous guitar.
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