Where to put the Hole(s)?
MWoody
Posted 2010-01-10 1:26 AM (#383290)
Subject: Where to put the Hole(s)?



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I have used the Elite/Adamas style of bracing but I want some opinions on where to punch the sound holes.

Option A: Put the holes on the sides and keep the top clean.


Option B: Nearly 2007 Collector's Style.


Option C: Long Oval Pairs.


Option D: Short Ovals.


Option E: Oval Pairs.


Option F: Suggest your own...
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tremor
Posted 2010-01-10 1:52 AM (#383291 - in reply to #383290)
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I think I like the short ovals.
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stephent28
Posted 2010-01-10 2:05 AM (#383292 - in reply to #383290)
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Paired ovals for me.
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2010-01-10 3:21 AM (#383293 - in reply to #383290)
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The REGULAR Elite Style is Best .. the rest looks like " Scary Movie " to me ..
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Trader Jim
Posted 2010-01-10 6:11 AM (#383294 - in reply to #383290)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
Paired ovals for me.
+1
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-01-10 6:19 AM (#383295 - in reply to #383290)
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Just don't do one of them 2080 tear-drop/Nike/cat's-eye thingies.
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gangonthehill
Posted 2010-01-10 7:31 AM (#383296 - in reply to #383290)
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07 collectors is my vote.
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twistedlim
Posted 2010-01-10 7:33 AM (#383297 - in reply to #383290)
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Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Originally posted by stephent28:
Paired ovals for me.
+1
+2
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AlanM
Posted 2010-01-10 7:49 AM (#383298 - in reply to #383290)
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Oval pairs for greater sound balance.
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Slipkid
Posted 2010-01-10 7:52 AM (#383299 - in reply to #383290)
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Again, paired ovals.
They look different enough but still look "right".
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Capo Guy
Posted 2010-01-10 8:21 AM (#383300 - in reply to #383290)
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Originally posted by twistedlim:
Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Originally posted by stephent28:
Paired ovals for me.
+1
+2
+3
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nikon4004
Posted 2010-01-10 9:11 AM (#383301 - in reply to #383290)
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Ow boutthe Nike Swoosh. Maybe yo can get Tiger whats his name to endose it....


Steve
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FlySig
Posted 2010-01-10 11:14 AM (#383302 - in reply to #383290)
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Small ovals do it for me.
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MWoody
Posted 2010-01-10 11:44 AM (#383303 - in reply to #383290)
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"Elite Style is Best .. the rest looks like " Scary Movie " to me ..."



Any Princess Mononoke fans out there?
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cholloway
Posted 2010-01-10 11:49 AM (#383304 - in reply to #383290)
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What would the paddle shape of the head look like as a sound hole?

Maybe the guitar shaped "O" used on the cases?

ehhh... nevermind!
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Beal
Posted 2010-01-10 12:32 PM (#383305 - in reply to #383290)
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all the ovals are light in the loafers.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2010-01-10 1:00 PM (#383306 - in reply to #383290)
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Originally posted by Beal:
all the ovals are light in the loafers.
OK, how 'bout a Rambo version...


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Jimbob
Posted 2010-01-10 1:01 PM (#383307 - in reply to #383290)
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Hello MWoody,
A question for the experts. What is the percentage area of the soundhole(s) in relation to the total area of the soundboard please.?
I have an idea for something a little different.
Jim
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MWoody
Posted 2010-01-10 1:02 PM (#383308 - in reply to #383290)
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Reminds me W2, I was looking at some of the early Nationals (I think) and I saw the predecessor to your Thunderbolt theme. Not my favorite but definately stepping out.

RE:"What is the percentage area of the soundhole(s) in relation to the total area of the soundboard please.?"

You would have to research Hiemholtz Law as there is a ratio od chamber volume, surface area and tone through the open hole.

Off hand, I'd say 18:1 until a better answer shows up.
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Waskel
Posted 2010-01-10 1:18 PM (#383309 - in reply to #383290)
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Wonder what would happen if you put the hole(s) south of the bridge...
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Jimbob
Posted 2010-01-10 1:27 PM (#383310 - in reply to #383290)
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Originally posted by MWoody:

RE:"What is the percentage area of the soundhole(s) in relation to the total area of the soundboard please.?"
You would have to research Hiemholtz Law as there is a ratio od chamber volume, surface area and tone through the open hole.
Off hand, I'd say 18:1 until a better answer shows up.
Thank you, now for my old brain to figure the area of circle(x)the depth. Gotta go digging in archives, perhaps it's already been calculated for the volume of the bowl.
Jim.
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MWoody
Posted 2010-01-10 1:36 PM (#383311 - in reply to #383290)
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That thar is prime soundboard territory, no drill'in allowed!

Although...



some of the Archtops like this D'Aquisto Centura went pretty low.
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Waskel
Posted 2010-01-10 1:42 PM (#383312 - in reply to #383290)
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Mike, are you using an Ovation bowl for this project?
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MWoody
Posted 2010-01-10 1:48 PM (#383313 - in reply to #383290)
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Yes
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bvince
Posted 2010-01-10 2:41 PM (#383314 - in reply to #383290)
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Here's another option ... The location worked well for the McPhersons ...
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MWoody
Posted 2010-01-10 3:27 PM (#383315 - in reply to #383290)
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Considered that but that is where the big ol Preamp goes (precut).
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nikon4004
Posted 2010-01-10 3:28 PM (#383316 - in reply to #383290)
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As far as the soudhole/volume numbers. Take a look at the Martin that Tony Rice plays. Clarence White used to put his cigarettes out on the edge of the sounshoe, and over time opened up the size and that git is a legend.....(no pun intended)

How about 2 well placeed old style f holes...

Steve
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Omaha
Posted 2010-01-10 3:59 PM (#383317 - in reply to #383290)
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I really like Vince's suggestion. Different, yet still looks "Ovationy".
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Jimbob
Posted 2010-01-10 4:35 PM (#383318 - in reply to #383290)
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Originally posted by nikon4004:

How about 2 well placeed old style f holes...
Steve
That's what I thought might look nice, something Eddie Lang would pick up. Gosh I relly am dating myself.
Jim
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stellarjim
Posted 2010-01-10 4:43 PM (#383319 - in reply to #383290)
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I'm an asymmetrical person. I like Vince's suggestion best but I'd prefer to replace the 3 small holes on one side with one medium hole. Then leave the rest as suggested.
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bvince
Posted 2010-01-10 5:41 PM (#383320 - in reply to #383290)
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Bummer about the preamp conflict. You KNOW ... you COULD aquire one of those Takamine TUBE preamps and place it up in that left upper bout. Then you could have the better of both worlds. (:
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FlySig
Posted 2010-01-10 8:22 PM (#383321 - in reply to #383290)
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How about moving BVince's configuration down under the strings? Sort of an Eliticized center hole.
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Phil Wong
Posted 2010-01-11 10:17 AM (#383322 - in reply to #383290)
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Instead of F holes, what about an M and W?
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Miguel - BR
Posted 2010-01-11 12:59 PM (#383323 - in reply to #383290)
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Waves:

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Miguel - BR
Posted 2010-01-11 3:34 PM (#383324 - in reply to #383290)
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like this, but on the bass side, like an epi.
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2010-01-11 3:41 PM (#383325 - in reply to #383290)
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How about elite style where the f-holes would go?
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lanaki
Posted 2010-01-11 4:17 PM (#383326 - in reply to #383290)
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i like option D but place the single oval on the bass side and make it slightly larger than the three others that should be on the treble side.
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cholloway
Posted 2010-01-11 4:45 PM (#383327 - in reply to #383290)
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Make your favorite Jack-O-Lantern face on it and call it a semiHollow-een body???

Jus tryin to hep...
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Beal
Posted 2010-01-11 4:55 PM (#383328 - in reply to #383290)
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waves on one side and holes on the other. oh yeah..
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scooterboy
Posted 2010-01-11 5:41 PM (#383329 - in reply to #383290)
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How about 2 yin/yang-shaped holes (like these two but pulled apart and separated by a bit of wood)?




Then add some fretboard inlays like this guy did here :


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Nils
Posted 2010-01-12 1:57 AM (#383330 - in reply to #383290)
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Originally posted by Capo Guy:
Originally posted by twistedlim:
Originally posted by Trader Jim:
quote:
Originally posted by stephent28:
Paired ovals for me.
+1
+2
+3
+4
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bvince
Posted 2010-01-12 8:56 AM (#383331 - in reply to #383290)
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How about a big happy-face cut in the upper left hand corner? :)
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Michael R. Winters
Posted 2010-01-12 9:12 AM (#383332 - in reply to #383290)
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I kinda like the long ovals but what FlySig was saying would be cool too; Elite-style holes where the round hole would normally go.
Even further if I was doing it, two sets of Bass-side epi holes, big holes facing one in, little holes to the outside.
I can't figure out how to post a drawing of what I'm thinking but do you "see" what I'm getting at?
Anyway, just my two cents.
Tell you what, I'll get you to make me a top and.......
HA HA HA HA
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bvince
Posted 2010-01-12 9:17 AM (#383333 - in reply to #383290)
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