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Location: Jet City | The pretty blue Carvin has been replaced. It will be sorely missed, but I plan on visiting it whenever possible. It's in a good home.
Since I am a big fan of both the old Peavey and Ovation solid bodies, it seemed natural that I should possess one of these.
The rare bird that is the PF-22 now has a place of honor within the herd.
This one has obvious signs of being a prototype. I opted for blades. Being a fan of UKIIs and T-60s, it's not hard to see why.
Enough silly words...
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Very nice looking guitar :)
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Location: Delaware | That's a beauty. What year would that be ? |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | Damon67: who is new lucky owner? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | . . . love the contour at the neck joint |
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Location: South of most, North of few | That is a beauty! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Oh my! We gotta hear the story on this one... |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by LBJ:
Damon67: who is new lucky owner? Mr. Ovation |
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Location: East Tennessee | Wow,
This is what I call "Understated Elegance". Beautiful looking guitar. |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by fridave:
That's a beauty. What year would that be ? It's a prototype, and Miles (Mr. Ovation) has the story on his website> I can't seem to make a link directly to it, so here's the story from Miles' site:
The PF-22 Prototypes
The PF-22 never made it to full production. About 25 guitars were made around May, 1980.These are probably the best electric guitars ever manufactured by Ovation. These were set-neck (screwed and glued) guitars. Glue makes a better connection for vibrational transference between the neck and body than the traditional bolt-on necks resulting in improved sound and sustain.
On other Ovation electrics with bolt-on necks there is a piece of paper added between the neck and body that was soaked in glue. This would glue the neck to the body and the bolts insured correct alignment. This technique meant that if the neck ever needed to come off, you could take off the bolts and the neck would separate from the body at the paper joint.
The PF series did not have bolts. The holes were used for dowels to align the neck. The neck and body were glued together. As you may have now realized, that although necks on other Ovations will come off, PF necks will not.
The original PF pickups were two single coils. The bobbins from the magnum bass rear pickup were usedwith a hole drilled between the two pole pieces for the third pole piece and set them. Dave Fiester from the Henry Paul band had a Fender custom and liked those pickups so Bill Kaman tried to get close to that. The pickups were mounted on a plate and were wired in the hum-canceling position, (much like a P bass setup). The plate was the same size as a Dimarzio so they could be changed if the owner wanted to. Anything in the aftermarket at the time would fit.
So how did the PF-22 get its name. According to Bill Kaman, "We were still trying to have a soild body in the early 80's. Peavey had just come out with their first guitar and bass which had satin finish (the T-60). Hartley also had just put out an ad that the headline was "It took me 22 years to create this amp" and showed him sitting on the amp holding the guitar. Randy Hess, ad mgr (for Ovation), rest his soul, said we should do an ad with me (Bill Kaman) sitting like Frank (Zappa) in the "Phi Zappa Crappa" poster, on the can, holding the guitar, and the headline would be "It took me 22 minutes to create this guitar" Since we (Ovation) were going to kick Peavey's ass with this model we called it the Peavey F&%Ker. Hence the PF-22." This is true story. Years later at a trade show Bill told Hartley (Peavey) about it and they "both had a good laugh over it." |
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Location: GA USA | I thought a lot of folks didn't like the weight of the T-60, or balance or something. I guess it doesn't bother you. Give us a comparison.
Your pictures are fantastic. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Very cool. |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Those pics would be great for the Calendar!
Hint, Hint! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | the s/n should be stamped on the side of the peghead, a 6 digit date number. |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Designzilla:
Those pics would be great for the Calendar!
Hint, Hint! Hint absorbed ;)
I plan on sending you CDs full-o-pics from all the Os. I'll let you sort through 'em :D |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
I thought a lot of folks didn't like the weight of the T-60, or balance or something. I guess it doesn't bother you. Give us a comparison.
Your pictures are fantastic. Thanks for the compliment there.
The original T-60s were indeed very heavy, and I have one from that era. They're typically referred to as "slabs" (no contour in the body, like a tele). These things were solid as a rock. Eventually, They added the contours which decreased the weight a bit, but they're still heavy beasts.
There are no balance issues though.
The T had some really cool electronics. The controls consisted of 4 knobs and 2 switches. One switch is a 3 way pickup selector, the other is a phase switch. The 2 volumes are self explanitory, but the tone knobs take some splainin'. On the knob, from 0-7 was a humbucker tone, but once you hit 7, it split the coils and was tone for the split coil from 7 to 10. The necks were the first to be made with CNC technology, and revolutionized the industry. They were available with mapl or rosewood fretboards, though most were maple. One of the things I really like about the guitar is how easy they are to setup. Many think you have to adjust each individual saddle like a strat or tele, but that's not the case. There's actually a neck tilt adjustment that sets the action. The height adjustment on the saddles is for correcting the curve only.
As for the PF-22, it's indeed much lighter. This is a prototype and wasn't made for public consumption, so there's a bit of detail work left out. You can still see some glue, the pickups look handmade, casings and all. It's really not a fair comparison, and really, they're not similar at all. The PF looks to have 2 split coil switches and the 3rd is a phase. Then the pickup selector and 1 volume and 1 tone. I do really like the smooth neck-thru feel (though it's a set neck).
Too bad they didn't make it to market. They had the potential to live up to their name. |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
the s/n should be stamped on the side of the peghead, a 6 digit date number. Not there. I saw what you're talking about on the PF bass, but this one has nothing anywhere. |
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Location: Jet City | A side note on the T-60 thing...
From Chip Todd, the T-60's creator (T stands for Todd), "I am still impressed with their "Deacon". I shifted the upper waist on the T-60 trying to make it close to the Deacon's ergonomics."
So I guess Kaman played a part in that T-60 as well. Chip was an authorized repair center for Ovation (and Fender, Gibson, and a couple others) before Hartley asked him to head up the efforts on designing Peavey guitars. He was given the above mentioned Deacon as a gift when he took on the Ovation work.
He's said to me before that he still regrets having to give that thing back, but he felt ethically it was the only right thing to do. |
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Location: San Fernando, CA | Very nice equipment you have here. How does it sound? Please play some music on this baby and let's enjoy...
Thank you. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Man that guitar looks NICE !!!! |
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Location: Jet City | This looks cool. Greek to me, but cool!
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Location: GA USA | Very interesting. Thanks. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | DON'T CUT THE RED ONE! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Not nearly enough solder on those connections...
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Very cool. |
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Location: GA USA | Not trying to be a troublemaker, but I remembered this from a couple of years ago:
stephent28
Can I assume that I am one of the first on the list if you decide to sell a PF-22?
stonebobbo
Nope, that would be me.
hosebei
As if!
alpep
sorry guys, I sold 4 or 5 of the pf's to miles I think I may want them back if they come up on the block
Was that all just good natured ribbing? Not that it matters. When you own something, you should be able to do whatever you want with it. |
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| Beautiful looking guitar. |
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Very rare indeed! My new prized possession...