long scale vs. short scale
Darkbar
Posted 2009-12-26 12:31 PM (#385201)
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I like to tune my git down 2 steps cause the key fits my voice better. I play with 12's. Of course, the strings get a little squirrelly sometimes, and when using a capo I get some intonation issues occasionally.

So, which one can I tune 2 steps down and maintain string tension with 12's....short or long scale guitar? Thanks in advance.
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stephent28
Posted 2009-12-26 12:40 PM (#385202 - in reply to #385201)
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Get a baritone guitar. They sound wonderful, easier to capo up if you want standard tuning and are great to sing with at the lower tuning.
Ovation makes a great one but if you go that route try to get the earlier model (DS768 I believe) vs the latter.

I own 3 baritones and they are fantastic flavor of ice cream to have in your arsenal.
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stephent28
Posted 2009-12-26 12:40 PM (#385203 - in reply to #385201)
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-12-26 12:47 PM (#385204 - in reply to #385201)
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Thanks Stephen. I guess I need a baritone with a wide nut.
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stephent28
Posted 2009-12-26 12:51 PM (#385205 - in reply to #385201)
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baritones inherently have a wide nut.

Beal's got a true "wide nut" baritone and the thing is a bitch to play. Long neck and wide nut create a beast that is almost too much to handle.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-12-26 1:03 PM (#385206 - in reply to #385201)
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A baritone (aka ovation longneck) is generally configured so that if you capo at the 2nd fret, it is identical to a standard 25.4" scale guitar with 1-11/16 nut. I think Bill had his made so that capo'd at the 2nd it would play like a 1-7/8. So I think his virgin nutwidth is 2-1/8 approx.

And BTW if you capo a standard 25.4" guitar at the 1st fret, it's roughly equivalent to a "short scale" guitar which are usually about 24.9". AND if you capo your classical at the 5th fret and throw away the 2 lowest strings it'll play like a low G strung ukulele.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-12-26 2:18 PM (#385207 - in reply to #385201)
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I put 14's on one of mine and tuned it D to D. Seemed to be about right. I think the lowest string is 59 in that set. A bunch of mfrs make the set (most call it heavy). I bought D'Adds. I tried mediums, but they still seemed a tad floppy to me.
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-12-26 3:21 PM (#385208 - in reply to #385201)
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Originally posted by stonebobbo:
I put 14's on one of mine and tuned it D to D. Seemed to be about right. I think the lowest string is 59 in that set. A bunch of mfrs make the set (most call it heavy). I bought D'Adds. I tried mediums, but they still seemed a tad floppy to me.
I tried that...hated the feel of it. Maybe someone at g8rbowl will have a baritone to try out.
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Beal
Posted 2009-12-26 3:38 PM (#385209 - in reply to #385201)
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there might be one there, especially now.
My 2080D is only 1 7/8 at the nut.
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-12-26 3:54 PM (#385210 - in reply to #385201)
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Great! I guess now there's no need to bring your Collings, or Martins, or Adamas's....
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dobro
Posted 2009-12-26 7:02 PM (#385211 - in reply to #385201)
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I own 3 baritones and they are fantastic flavor of ice cream to have in your arsenal.
Awesome metaphoricalistic mixification, Stephen! I can just see it: a vanilla-swirl baritone (Sinatra?) being fired out of a Howitzer!
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Beal
Posted 2009-12-26 7:52 PM (#385212 - in reply to #385201)
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no need to bring Collings, Martins or Adamaii.

OK, I'll stay home..............
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G8r
Posted 2009-12-26 7:58 PM (#385213 - in reply to #385201)
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Beal, bring one (or more) of the new Merrills...
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-12-26 9:34 PM (#385214 - in reply to #385201)
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Originally posted by G8r:
Beal, bring one (or more) of the new Merrills...
Are they all Baritones?
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stephent28
Posted 2009-12-26 11:25 PM (#385215 - in reply to #385201)
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Merrills are considered to be some of the best modern made pre-war sounding Martin clones available.

As far as I know Merrill has never made a baritone.
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-12-27 7:35 AM (#385216 - in reply to #385201)
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Are they all Baritones? [/QB]

Jeez!....no one ever gets my jokes!
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Weaser P
Posted 2009-12-27 8:30 AM (#385217 - in reply to #385201)
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Originally posted by dark bar:
Are they all Baritones?

Jeez!....no one ever gets my jokes! [/QB]

Try a different angle, Bob. Like maybe, oh, I don't know, try to make them humorous...?
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-12-27 9:01 AM (#385218 - in reply to #385201)
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Humorous? Ha! That's only for amateurs. My jokes are for deep thinkers.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-12-27 9:23 AM (#385219 - in reply to #385201)
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I got it.
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Miguel - BR
Posted 2009-12-27 9:51 AM (#385220 - in reply to #385201)
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Originally posted by dark bar:
Originally posted by G8r:
Beal, bring one (or more) of the new Merrills...
Are they all Baritones?
I don´t think so. Anyway, OFC gatherings look more like a Soprano´s thing...
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Beal
Posted 2009-12-27 11:10 AM (#385221 - in reply to #385201)
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Not since Serge shaved
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-12-27 2:59 PM (#385222 - in reply to #385201)
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I always associated Serge's 'stache with cheesey wah-wah.

Does it take a different kind of worm guts to make a baritone?
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