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Thanks buddy!!
Open letter to Yahoo, Jami, Deron, Conni, and MR. Yang CEO at yahoo-inc.com
and invites to others soon to join or pop in for a look...
with the EFF and NPR and local and national print media, tv and digital media, and local radio station contacts that we have made over our years here.....
Yahoo here's my analogy and I guess query on your Total and Truthful
and Honest feelings and the way this one was rolled out and why......
just humour me please, Jami, Connie, and Mr. Yang...
I feel that Mr Yang should receive this since the press and networks
and bulletin boards all over the world are currently reading this as well.... maybe you should have talked to him a long time ago about though Ms. Heldt
and all that I have sent invites to you and my friends who are working and promoting a better planet and a future for it... for our....children's children's children' and to be able to live as healthy, happy human beings with still any GREEN zones left on our planet?
"A little whitewash can cover up a lot of ding, breaks, cracks, and
wormholes in the fence"
but a little whitewash, can be pretty very easily be removed and be re-exposed whether it is being thrown away as there is no saving it as there is just too much rot and smell, and decay,
or see if it can be seen that there is really something More Beautiful, and better down inside... that's probably always been there....
if you know what you are doing, are a Craftsman, and have been already given the tools to do it properly, all that rottenness and decay, some generally have the tools or ideas to fix it...
or others just band aid it, or.. or just let it deteriorate on, and they let it become less than it was...
but; a Craftsman, can see that old scarred piece of wood, and can re-expose it for the beauty that's there..and inside of it and
surround it..... and fix it, and make it right.. and beautiful, and
organic, and fluid again.
and place it alongside with other restored pieces of wood and sturdy metal screws, and good and steady construction.... by a skilled and respected artist or craftsman or leader which TFN and Deron Beal have repeatedly demonstrated they are NOT.
couldn't a piece of art, that was gifted to the world, and the entire, world, and it, they and them, has and have been told this.... that the whole world created built and grew.... can't it be made it to be that way.?
why would you keep the broken board, with so many cracks... and continually keep polishing it up.... the cracks keep showing,.... but, maybe, just maybe, if it was part of the whole piece of furniture or construction, or Beautiful thing again,
and realized it needed to be there too in order to be Beautiful and something to marvel at once again......just Imagine...
"It could Happen"
Mr. Yang.... this is to you. directly.
what kind of wood has Yahoo repeatedly seen Freecycle and TFN to be, there are a lot of cracks there, and rot, and mold, etc....
can it ever be made part of something beautiful again...even after the TM loss?
Maybe with your help I guess..... but aren't the rest of us and
others....the independents whose leaders and facilitators almost to a man and woman the original Leaders, contributors, etc... for TFN and grew it to what it is today, before all of the whitewashing and WMI attempting to GREEN up their image, aren't all of these communities, and Your Y! members and independent groups and communities....
what finish the piece and make it complete? I think so.. so does everyone else in the world.... but Y! and Deron aka TFN.
why doesn't Deron? Why don't Your many employees that we have talked to, emailed, faxed, visited , and arrange meetings with all start ....ignoring us, not returning calls... emails, ims, etc... Jami... we haven't heard from you in weeks....
Connie we again enjoyed the conversation even again just another repeat and rerun of everything we've heard before....
so at least it was just as old and familiar as watching the Andy Griffith show..... but still enjoyable and you know exactly what's gonna be said, or happen next..
Mr Yang, we would really like to know your feelings on this...
I think that piece of wood you're propping your campaign on is pretty rotten, and a strangely joined three piece board at that.
Is this crappy three piece board... and I do mean the current board of directors on TFN which consist of his wife, himself, family friend....,
and with no disclosure or transparency, and nothing but smoke and mirrors, and a trojan horse that violated all of your groups policies, and false claims of copyright or tm or ownership of the word...
the TM application is for the logo only and the font and graphics...but amazingly those also are not licensed for commercial use, and TFN has not applied for an exception or exemption, and are not created by them.
and is a pending TM only and with the decision in the 9th is very almost certainly not going to happen.
but Since the 9th did decide in all of our independents favor and the TM is dead......almost dead, I think you and Deron both know it...so....
derivations of the word or use of the word is not restricted in any way, according to many attorney's .... and Judges, and Law Reviews, but yahoo routinely removed/deleted them.. and even just plain ole recycling communities...
So I guess Mr. Yang, and the rest of your teams, and sales agents, and affiliate teams, and infringement teams, and your trademark teams,,,
Jami, Connie, and while so many other so many of us have been keeping you informed of all of this, for all these years... yet you continue to delete our groups.... and that cost you advertising placement, promotion, clicks, members, and most of all..... TRUST....
hundreds of thousands of members could not reach their recycling communities, and contacts to new friends, old friends, neighbors, and all while helping the planet, and their communities. "One Gift at a Time"
How can this be fixed.... many know how... and are trying... just
seems that YOU, or YOUR teams or Deron just won't let it happen.
Are you a Craftsman? Mr Yang?
Can YOU rebuild or construct something
from pieces, or with strokes of a brush make something beautiful, special, and complete it one way or another....
but isn't it sometimes wrong if not enough is put into what your
putting together if it's not going to hold together, securely, safely, and for a long time, instead of hastily, exclusively,
and instead of being inclusive of the whole work as started? and freely gifted...?
this has been already proven and decided on in a court of LAW and in your and Yahoo's own back yard in Sunnyvale.
please fix it and let it flourish,as it was designed and destined to grow and become.
as it began when it was first gifted to the entire world.
I know you are a smart man to be where you are...Mr Yang.
What are your skills, priorities and passions sir?
some of us would like to know.
can it be fixed? and placed within the greater complete and more beautiful work? or works as a TRUE GLOBAL EFFORT?
so far it doesn't want to fit...... or try to fit..... and only wants
to be a board.
have you really looked at the true condition of it's structure?
is it something that can now be included in a Beautiful work for everyone?
thank you for your time here.
Glenn Hess Sr.
www.brevardfreecycle.org
321-757-9971
www.thefreebiecafe.com
forherandnow.com
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whatever..
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Location: south east Michigan | I read it, but I don't get it.
What does this have to do with Woody?
Or Ovations.
Or guitars.
Or music.
Or the OFC.
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Glenn, sorry, but,I am a little confused too.
Has there been a Trademark problem with the freebie cafe?
Is Yahoo! deleting references to the Freebie Cafe or recycling of some sort?
Maybe a simple explanation of what's happening for this simple minded person would be helpful.
I think that I somewhat follow the reference to Mwoody as a craftsman, but can't assosiate the rest of it. | |
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Location: Whitecourt, Ab | Glen,good luck with your issues, and in the mean time maybe this will help with the stress...
STRESSED?
try (manic mode) as well | |
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Location: Tennessee | I'm not sure what this all means, but before you publish this you might want to restructure your rants and focus on clarity and content so that yang, his lieutenants, the media and the world in general don't view you as a nitwit crackpot. I don't get what this is all about and don't think anyone else will either. | |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Originally posted by lanaki:
yeah, glenn. look where beggin lives... :D Simple is as Simple does.....or sumthin like that.... ;) | |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
I'm not sure what this all means, but before you publish this you might want to restructure your rants and focus on clarity and content so that yang, his lieutenants, the media and the world in general don't view you as a nitwit crackpot. I don't get what this is all about and don't think anyone else will either. Glenn, I was having trouble following your post due to my ADD.
Then my OCD kicked in... insisting, iNsIsTiNg, InSiStInG, INSISTING that I understand.
The only thing I get out of this post (and yesterday's post) is that you have graduated to the level of a fanatic WHO WILL USE any public forum (appropriate or not) in attempts to push your personal agendas.
Please take a few steps back from the door and read the signs. | |
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Location: SoCal | There may be satisfaction in writing something like that, but nobody's ever going to actually read it. And I have no idea why it's posted here..... | |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by cholloway:
... and becoming more detached every day! Man, I think you hit it on the head. Glen, what's up, this post is WAY WAY out there. | |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Much like brother Noah, I had to take couple of read thrus. When I was growing up we didn't have letters but I was very efficient at cleaning the Blackboards after school!
I read in that:
- There is an out of touch Board of Misdirectors.
- The Freecyle Concept is to share, repair, redistribute and utilize every resource and blessing.
- Whatever actions this Board is taking has struck you very hard.
-You compliment me brother, and I thank you. Keep in mind that I am a selfish, greedy, no-good-for-nuthin that has been blessed with the comfort and guidance of persons purposefully directed into my path. I am also cheap. That and I'm really proud of my humility...
Get some rest, get someone you trust to discuss this with and if you need to, set a course of action.
In the 1700-1800's the best means to push an opinion was using easily produced and often recycled letters that would be received in public gatherings. They were often read and re-read over and over and the words of the Author scrutinized and debated. One letter, one idea and one focus.
In the 1900s we had our information condensed and the art of misinformation was refined even more.
Today, if you can't say it in a headline or sticker it becomes noise, quickly replaced with something else.
Personally I try not to drink coffee after 7pm and if I launch on an editorial jihad I have learned to hit SAVE instead of SEND.
It sounds like it is time to "Recycle the Freecycle Threesome"! | |
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Location: Jet City | I had something to say...
But I hit "save" instead of "send"
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Glenn , I wish you Great Success with your endavour , and I really wish that I knew what it was all about , what really confuses me is that Yahoo is being addressed as a person , I thought it was a company purchased by Google , see how ignorant I am...
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Slipkid:
What does this have to do with Woody?
Just a sneaky way to get members to read the rant.
Sad......
:confused: :confused:
I am beginning to think that Tiednbound and Detached are one and the same.
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Location: Yucaipa, California | ...maybe Glenn should have his hat re-lined!?
It worked for me. | |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Glenn ,
Obviously no one here supports your non-Ovation crusade, regardless how much it means to you. If they do, they can contact you via other methods.
It may be best for you and the OFC for you to redirect your efforts and frustrations to a venue that will garner your desired support.
OFCers,
I'm disappointed in some of the responses to an obviously stressful situation for a fellow member. Constructive criticism is one thing, but mocking innuendos is not what I expect from this membership.
Let's put this issue to rest and move on... | |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Glenn,
I don't know you, so who in the hell am I to give advice. But you've shared with us in painstaking detail that you have a sick wife, a financially troubled mother, and now some kind of brevardsmurfdaddy thing happening that nobody here can seem to understand or care about. Your posts are dark and troubling. Even your choice of usernames is haunting. I don't know what to make of it, or if I should even give a damn. I could joke and poke fun (and I've done some of that), but you sound as close to being a danger to yourself and to others, as I've ever gotten. The help you need you're not going to find here. If I was you would seek professional help and do it quickly. Sorry to stick my nose in this, but seriously this has gone beyond being just another joke by some whack-job member. This honestly sounds very troubling.
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Location: Melbourne, Florida | 'Iffy'
I appreciate that. After my husband has told me so much about you guys. I hear the jokes, your get togethers, and such. I always thought you were a bunch of pretty nice guys for the most part anyway.
I can realize that Glenn thinking he could share something he wrote with you, was wrong.
He should never have thought you guys would comment on it, help with it, give constructive comments about it...
It was a letter to go out to Yahoo, about an issue we have fought as a Green group on Yahoo for about 4 years. Yes it has become very difficult and this affects my Freebie Cafe which is a companion to my website. So what happens there affects our income greatly.
Means nuttin to you, and that's fine. I think Glenn has been stressed somewhat, yes. He may need some sleep, he's been having some insomnia lately.
But your comments that were made, I had to come see the, I could not believe what I was hearing.
Glenn has already unsubbed from here, I had to join to read them.
Funny thing is no one asked you your opinion anyway. But you sure gave it, and that is normally I guess Okay in these type situations, but jeez...
To speak like that to someone you perhaps conversed with online, bought a guitar from, or sold one to, and you go into attack mode that way.
It reminded me of a feeding frenzy with a bunch of sharks. One gets nicked in the middle of the frenzy and they see their fellow shark, bleeding.
Do they help him? Wonder if he's Okay?
No they tear him into pieces and eat him too.
You did just that. For a group of men I thought pretty nice guys; to see you go off like that,wow!
Glenn won't see what I am writing. He said he does not want to see it, or ever see anything here again. He left, and I don't think he will come back. I hope not right now. I would hate to see things like that written about me on my home chat board, freebie cafe.
I know he's told you what we do.
But my group of thousands of women, never, ever go after each other and do their best to disparage them. And men talk about women being bitches. You guys that said those things have us beat.
That is sad. He got so much joy from this board.
He thought a lot of many of you.
Wanted to play like some of you.
Learned from you.
Looked up to you.
Wanted to meet you.
and I see things like this, you know who said what I'll not repost it.
and becoming more detached every day!
STRESSED? try (manic mode) as well
nitwit crackpot
The only thing I get out of this post (and yesterday's post) is that you have graduated to the level of a fanatic WHO WILL USE any public forum (appropriate or not) in attempts to push your personal agendas.
NOTE:*Do I recall it right Noah,or are you not a dick a lot of the time?*
Glen, what's up, this post is WAY WAY out there.
Just a sneaky way to get members to read the rant.
Sad......
I am beginning to think that Tiednbound and Detached are one and the same.
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...maybe Glenn should have his hat re-lined!?
It worked for me.
Ah....foil.....good idea Tim!
Really gentlemen, poor show.
Char Hess
Yes I am really sick and dying, in case you think he made that all up. Wish he was.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Oh this is good. I can not think of a more pathetic ending to a thread that's bound to get locked real soon ...
I tried to bite my tongue and offer compassion before you pulled a Saddam Hussain on the shower rod. But this is a whole new ball game.
Welcome "Char" to the club.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | "No well intended deed goes unpunished"
I'm truly and deeply saddened and will not post on this thread again... | |
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Location: Melbourne, Florida | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Oh this is good. I can not think of a more pathetic ending to a thread that's bound to get locked real soon ...
I tried to bite my tongue and offer compassion before you pulled a Saddam Hussain on the shower rod. But this is a whole new ball game.
Welcome "Char" to the club.
Oh my freaking god ..... I guess I am dense, but what? Are you implying that I am not who I say I am? I really am confused. And you're quite wrong, no one needs a shrink in our home.
It's all quite true, unfortunately.
If this is the way you folks talk to each other, I don't want to be in your club. And I don't know an E from D string. Never played.
If you think I am Glenn, give me a call, I'll be glad to put that theory to bed. Be glad to call anyone, I've got unlimited L. Distance 321 506 2280
I'm up late workig.
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Location: Melbourne, Florida | BTW
WTF does this mean?
before you pulled a Saddam Hussain on the shower rod. But this is a whole new ball game.
Please do enlighten me.
Char
Dave make the call, if you really think that. Really...
Any of ya. This is just mean, and I am his wife. | |
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Location: SoCal | This has got to be the strangest thread I have ever read, and I've been here for most of them.
Al, stick a fork in this one. It's done..... | |
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Location: Melbourne, Florida | or you can call collect on the home phone:
321 757 9971
Be up for a while still.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Paging Daylan.
Look, I'm no professional but to me your husband sounds like he's in a bad place. Dispite the fact that he rants on and on here like a total freaking lunatic and then turns his dying wife on the wolfpack in some sort of odd retaliation, I would truely feel bad to read about him in tomorrows newspaper.
Why the two of you are choosing to lay this out and engage in a keyboard war of words on an internet guitar chat forum is beyond me, but that's your right. I don't know why the responses should surprise you.
I won't be calling because I donot choose for my life to intersect yours in any possible way. It's time to stop feeding the troll.
Peace and good luck to the both of you,
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | How may times has Glen left the board only to return. This has taken a sad turn and the reference to Daylan is quite appropriate.
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Location: Melbourne, Florida | Who is Daylan? Things are fine for us Stephen, but thank you.
Nothing that will screw up our personal lives, simply an issue with the Yahoo group and lack of respect.
Off topic no doubt for you guys, but after
perusing the board, much of the conversations are not about guitars at all. So I guess it's one way for some, another for others? Only off topic if some say?
And no one tells me what to do Dave. I find your reference to trolls odd. Troll no, but maybe Pyranha Dave?
It seemed quite nasty. But I read a few of your posts on the renaming yourself thread, and found that about silly business.
I'd say get over yourself Dave and go play with all the guitars. Seems it is all a brag and bluff deal to me. Thinking no one cares and you are only impotent due to your many, many posts about nada, but apparently the number of them means something?
Who really cares what your new 'name' is to be? A poll? Get outta here, really.
Never heard of that, but if it pleases you...
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I will contact Mr Pepiak
to follow up on the order placed and to verify it was a female/wife posting.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by noah:
Daylan... is he living in Florida now? Yup. And KayDee's been there for some time according to her MySpace.
I'm at least glad the Amazingly-Char saga has ended on good terms.
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by charhess:
I can realize that Glenn thinking he could share something he wrote with you, was wrong.
He should never have thought you guys would comment on it, help with it, give constructive comments about it...
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Funny thing is no one asked you your opinion anyway. But you sure gave it, and that is normally I guess Okay in these type situations, but jeez...
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Do they help him? Wonder if he's Okay?
No they tear him into pieces and eat him too.
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and I see things like this, you know who said what I'll not repost it.
Get your story straight. Which is it?
You know what, people did provide constructive criticism. Since it wasn't what you wanted to hear, you took your ball and went home and sent Mommy back to spank the other boys and tell on them. Tell pussy boy that if he has a problem with our reaction, he should address it directly with us like everyone else instead of running away and hiding behind Mommy's skirts.
People DID show concern. A lot of it. Go fucking read the words.
And if this is truly Char, what gives you the right to come here and tell us how we should behave? After everything everyone has done for Glenn despite all the trials and tribulations he put people through here? Huh? He was welcomed back and forgiven after he fucked over some people we consider brothers. People here gave him a chance to make it right. This is an inclusive group. You of all people should be grateful your fallen angel has fallen into the arms of people here.
Many times the love you get here is Tough Love. That's because there are a lot of good, honorable, loyal people here. You want life sugar-coated? That's a crappy way to live and we're not phoney people who will not do that to our comrades. You can find that elsewhere where they truly do not care about each other.
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OT.. but Mwoody you were the inspiration