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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Post-ops sit-rep:
Just another joyful and fulfilling 'O' jam!
First of all, the OFC 'rookie', Bob F. (Retired One) was the victim of 'shock and awe'. I sure hope we answered most of your questions. Welcome aboard Bob!
Second, a grand thanx to our brides/enablers for your support! To Sandy (BluesSailor's bride), sure appreciate ya keeping Patty company and your camera work. To Gwen (Bob F.'s bride), it was truly a pleasure to meet you and hope for many more visits. A special thanx to my bride, Patty, for putting up with me. She commented after everyone departed that "I sure like your friends". I did mildly correct her with "family". She then said "I know...".
As usual, we picked, plucked and grinned. Can't ask for more than that.
Now the Labor Day weekend food schedule was waylaid in that the Boiler Room was closed. :( So much for me bringing a camera... off to Beef's.
Hopefully, all had a good time; for I know I did! I will continue to proselytize that this is the greatest on-line community ever...
Now for a few obligatory pics:
The 'enablers' present... (L to R) Sandy and Patty...
The OFC 'sickies'... (L to R) BluesSailor (seated), Trader Jim, Retired One, yours truly, and darkbarguitar (seated).
... the true victims...
Just as an added bonus, TJ has enabled me to send the 'O'raqi back to Jackie with the appropriate brown case. Yo da man, Jim!
Oh, oh, hold the press... Alison, congrats on your 'new' 1680! < Jim...  >
More pics later HERE...
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Location: South of most, North of few | Great time Johnny. Thanks go out to you and Patty for opening your abode to us for some pickin and grinnin. Nice to see darkbar and blues again, and meet retired. Good times! |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Johnny and Patty,
Thanks for a wonderful time. It was great to get together with some old friends and meet some new ones as well. Sorry Darkbar (and TJ), that Martin is staying with me for the time being. Alison, enjoy the 1680. It is a wonderful guitar and it sure was a tough decision to let her pass by. What a great player and that fantastic Adamas sound to boot!
Nest time we'll do it at my place. We're finally all settled in and there is plenty of space for a big crowd.
Enjoyed it!
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Alison,
Thanx for the shirt that matched my USAF hat!
Oh, you can also thank "You can only play one at a time" Sandy.. (and the crowd went WILD!)! 
Brad,
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| " I will continue to proselytize that this is the greatest on-line community ever..."
It used to be until the flag-wavers and god-botherers turned it into an American only site.
there used to be half-a-dozen French guys, German guys, Poles and a lot more Brits and Aussies posting regularly on here. Then the military arrived for Operation OFC Ethnic Cleanse.
Judging by a lot of recent posts I guess Operation Democrat Cleanse is next to drive out those that haven't already gone.
It used to be about guitars and laughs and international. It used to be the wittiest site since Oscar Wilde got sent down. Now it's a self-help group for the Sarah Palin Fan Club. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Why did this Thread just get turned into someones political/religious "soundboard"?
:eek: :confused:
Muzza, AJ, TAFKAR, dweezil, Flag72, Joe Rotax,
Miguel-BR, Jerome, Koenig Kurt, off the top of my head this Am (My Appoligies to those I missed) I guess you all don't count acording to the above post. ALL from outside the US. and all contributors to the OFC.
Ok back to the Topic. Congrats iffy on sponsoring another great "mini" OFC get together!!! Retired One, Welcome to "Family" :) |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by darkbarguitar:
Thanks Johnny, for you and Patty hosting yet another get together. Definitely someone else's turn next time.
It was good to escape without TR selling me something (although Blue's mahogany Martin was singing to me) Oops...not only did TR not try to sell me something, TJ didn't either :rolleyes: |
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Location: Flahdaw | Funny how this thread turned. I was just reading the thread "I have an agenda..." and there were posts from Denmark, Ireland, Canada, Italy, Madrid, 2 from Australia, and some from the USA. It seems as if hope for a truly "international" forum is not lost. |
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If someone is trying to start a fight maybe they should start their own thread instead of hijacking a very positive, complementary/feel-good group of posts like this one |
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Location: Pennsylvania | Iffy, et al....glad you folks had a good time.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | schroeder,
Thank you for taking the time from your seven month OFC hiatus to contribute to this thread... |
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Looks like you had a great time. Since my son moved back to Tennessee. I now have a lot of folks I know down there. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Everyone loves Schroeder. He can do no wrong.
And not scared to say it how he sees it.
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Location: Vernon CT | Originally posted by muzza:
Everyone loves Schroeder. He can do no wrong.
And not scared to say it how he sees it.
And reading between the lines, I very much doubt that 'he's back'. Not knowing this "Schroeder" character and based ONLY on his post above, The key phrase is "He can do no wrong" which leads me to beleive it is ALL about him and HIS opinion. Doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, just what he beleives.
As far as him being back, unless I'm missing something here, let's hope he's not. OMHO |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | If you meet Schroeder you'd probably love him too. I would take what he says with a grain of salt, yet wouldn't be so blind as to not see the strands of truth woven between the lines.
The "Old Corner Pub" has changed over the years. The landloard is still the same, but the staff has turned over and the menu has gone through some revisions. New patrons at the bar hail it as the best new place they've ever found. The old regulars cringe and long for the good old days. Drive-bys by some of the old folks offer a few infrequent glimpses into why many of us came here in the first place.
Yes, some members have left. The French guys have their own forum, that's cool. I'm sure some folks are put off by the patriotism and worshipping. Other are probably put off by the sexual innuendos and language. Whatever.
Who was it that said they'd never want to be a member of any club that would hav them as a member ... |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | "Who was it that said they'd never want to be a member of any club that would hav them as a member ..."
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Location: Vernon CT | Dave, While I do respect your opinion and see/understand where you are comming from, I just don't feel he had the right to judge the OFC after not posting for 7-8 month.
Some of the same people he talks about as Flag wavers and God-botherers I consider friends. These same people Know I am NOT a God botherer and even though I Love this country and am humbled by what our service men/women have done and still do, I am not a flag waver either.
BUT, I respect thoughs that are. :)
I love the fact that this site offers opportunities to have online conversations with members from "other" countries and there are still quite a few.
Yes the "old corner pub" has changed alot. I've been here for 2 years and I've seen some drastic change in the membership. I've been accepted by some of the patrons of the old corner pub and others, hmmm, don't know.
The point was, hey, don't judge if you haven't participated recently.
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Location: SoCal | Everybody here is a lot more sensitive then they used to be and it's starting to become annoying.
Shroeder's a liberal and I'm a conservative. A lot of my best friends here are liberals. We disagree, tell each other to f*%k off and go have a beer together.
No big deal.
Why does everybody here want to take everything so freakin' personally? Even tho' they're some of my best friends, I never worry about what liberals are saying. I accept them for the goofy people they are.
But now it's the conservatives on the board who are driving me nuts.
Maybe my mother was wrong when she said that sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt you.
I have loved and participated in this place for the last 7 1/2 years. Longer than the vast majority of you guys. And you're starting to piss me off. Grow up and develop some thicker skin. We're here to discuss guitars. Not be patriotic or not patriotic, not to be religous or not be religious. Just don't fuckin' go there!
You want to have discussion like that, go to the ning site. Not here.
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Location: Scotland | This is a public forum, so just because someone doesn't post doesn't mean they don't monitor the board and can offer a valid opinion whenever they see fit.
From PM's and emails I have received of late it would appear there are a proportion of the current regular posters who have driven away many of those who actually had something valid or informative or (shock, horror!)contentious or humourous to contribute in the past.
I would suggest that part of the reason those members no longer bother to participate is because the OFC is turning into a self-congratulatory, politically-correct wank-fest populated by a bunch of terminally boring, talentless yet incredibly opinionated wannabes, who have very little of value to say, but insist on saying it way too loud and way too often.
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Wow, I've never been called a self-congratulatory, politically-correct, terminally boring, talentless yet incredibly opinionated wannabe before. I thought I was just a woman who liked to play guitar and who enjoys talking to others who love guitars. I guess you learn something new every day. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | I've laid fairly low since the hi-jack and can truly appreciate Dave's post! I'm also glad that this has turned out to be a discussion as opposed to further attacks.
I'm sure (in some cases, I know!) I've ticked off some members, old and new. And I paid the appropriate 'penalties' for testing the boundaries (OK, there was that one 'suicide' post!). But whether I'm in the penalty box or on the ice, most know my 'number'. To me, that does not diminish the value nor my appreciation of this site.
The bottom line is that there has not been one 'O' gathering I've attended that required any ID, voter card, DD214, visa, etc. Guess what? Had a blast at each one and thoroughly enjoyed meeting and/or revisiting the folk behind OFC monikers.
Just as with guitars, there are many 'flavors' of people too! They can be picked, plucked, strummed, wailed on and in some circumstances, just put back in the case... 
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
is it something I want to have or not? Depends, ya wanna be a queen, worker or drone?
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Location: Vernon CT | Yep , I admit I'm talentless compared to a lot of you on this forum,BUT, I enjoy Ovations and the members on this forum. I don't judge those that are here on a regular basis. If my post defending the OFC & members makes me thin skinned and/or a wanker then so be it, Thats your opinion and I respect your rights to think that way. :) Have a wonderful day! |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I'll be a queen Isn't that why you're in Amsterdam right now? |
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Location: Tennessee | Try the weed. Makes the cheese taste even better.
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Location: East Tennessee | Some things that I have thought about posting have already been said so I'll +1 and you can figure out which ones.
I will say this; I like this forum because it allows,(Thanks To Al & Miles), a bit more freedom to allow us to have a little fun and learn a little more about Ovations and guitars in general without slapping our wrists that we put something in the wrong category.. I have met some incredibly talented and wonderful people along the way.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
No, I came for the cheese. ...is that what they call themselves these days? |
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| Geez, is someone going to have to bring out the Slipkid Manifesto again?
Seriously, I didn't realize that I had to be a foul mouthed, steadily gigging guitarist with the skill level of Glen Campbell in order to post here. ;) Or to have something to contribute for that matter.
I guess I'll have to take my talentless and boring guitar player wanna be self (and my newbie questions) elsewhere. :rolleyes:
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Personally, I'm offended by all the unfair Esteban bashing that is allowed here. I'm offended that there isn't enough Esteban bashing here. Bring one in, I'll be glad to bash it and smash it for you!
Someone who understands your pain...
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Everybody here is a lot more sensitive then they used to be and it's starting to become annoying. Aw... We're all just trying to be polite and Politically Correct.
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Location: south east Michigan | Originally posted by Guitarzannie:
Geez, is someone going to have to bring out the Slipkid Manifesto again? I never thought the "manifesto" would have the kind of legs it has shown to have. Sometimes I wonder if it didn't mark the departure point between the "modern" and the "traditional" OFC. At the time it was a personal observation / opinion that "we" had grown to the point where perhaps a little moderation was in order. At that time the pendulum was swinging in one direction and like they tend to do, they can swing the other way.
I won't quote Dave's "Ole Pub" post but go back & give it second read.
Same goes for Moodys. Especially the part about being "sensitive".
Polarization... It's running rampant. The level of it in the world is worrysome.
Dispite what you might get from the manifesto, I think that well placed curse word can be a thing of beauty and artisic expression. Some members here have the knack to be able to curse yet know where to stop before crossing over into "crude". Personally, I don't have the talent for it so I don't try.
I don't get bent out shape when it happens.
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When I was 16 I went to see my doctor... his name was "Goldman". He himself was sick as a dog that day and I'm sure he did not want to be there. As it was a few days away, I wished him a Merry Christmas. I'm sure he passed the same remark off dozens of time before but this time he decided to stand his ground. He told me he was Jewish and did not celebrate Christmas. So I told him, "Well then... Happy Hanukkah". In an instant the man's expression changed. Pardon the expression, but he lit up like a Christmas tree. He smiled, thanked me, then wished ME a Merry Christmas. This incident shaped my view on religon as much as any time I ever spent in a church.
Here we have the full spectrum of believers and non-believers. Now if you are going to marry my son I might have an opinion but for the level of friendship we can have here on an internet forum.... I DON'T CARE!! The folks here that I concider friends have exhibited a level of basic human qualitys that makes the issue of how they got them a moot point. I don't care how you have obtained or maintain your moral compass... just as long as you have one.
The only religon I have a problem with is the ones that want to kill me. I hate those fuckers.
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | +1 to what Ali said.
Sooo...from the looks of things, I missed a very nice jam by way of being too far North. A very nice gathering of gits, too; a few there that it would have been fun to try out.
Maybe someday...
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I've never met you Brad AND I've got the utmost respect for you AND consider you a friend AND REALLY hope we do meet up one day.
Originally posted by Slipkid:
The only religion I have a problem with is the ones that want to kill me. I hate those f***ers. That sentiment is just SO wrong.
It's not the religion that's trying to kill you (AND me... AND Schroeder) OR the faithful practitioners of that faith. It's the fanatical f***wits that use their religion as an excuse to mindlessly and heartlessly kill thousands of innocent people. The VAST majority of the people you refer to hate the senselessness of terrorism as much as you do. And millions of them have to live with it (and survive it) every day of their lives.
Don't condemn ALL muslims because of a fanatical minority. (An unfortunately LARGE minority)
I still luv ya Brad. And no, I'm not a Muslim.
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| Brad, I brought up the slipkid manifesto because it is a good set of rules to live by on this forum, IMHO.
I just find it interesting that the occasional mention of God here or patriotism (I haven't seen much of either, but then again I haven't read all posts) for that matter gets some people's knickers in a twist, but swearing doesn't.
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Guitarzannie:
I just find it interesting that the occasional mention of God here or patriotism for that matter gets some people's knickers in a twist, but swearing doesn't.
Michelle off-color words are just words, they do no physical harm to anyone. If you are a sensitive little flower then you might get bent out of shape if you see or hear a rude word, but it really doesn't cause any physical damage.
Conversely, right now, all over the world human lives are being wasted in the name of patriotism and various gods and personaly I am interested in neither, other than to be constantly amazed and abhorred by the destuctiveness both are capable of engendering.
There are countless websites where subjects such as patriotism, politics and religion may be discussed and I participate in a few. Many OFC'ers, including myself appreciate this site because it is not supposed to be one of them. It's supposed to be about Ovation guitars specifically and music generally. With or without an occasional harmless expletive.
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I too, come here because politics, religion and patriotism aren't generally discussed.
FWIW, I don't generally have a problem with swear words. I don't use them because they are ugly (to me anyways) and the world doesn't need me to add to the ugliness, IMHO. I've been trying to ignore those words lately, but am having a hard time with it.
I guess it's because I haven't viewed this forum as ugly, like some other forums, and the language kinda shocks me for some reason. I've been to HC and was afraid it would turn into that.
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Words like "Blessings" and "Happy birthday to the greatest country in the world" don't do anyone any physical harm either. Some folks say "Good luck" instead of "blessings", but they are both said with positive intent so how could anyone take offense at either? Words like, "My 47RI is the very best sounding guitar out there" express an opinion, just like "the greatest country in the world" expresses an opinion. Do I agree with everyone else's opinion? Of course not, but unless that opinion is expressed with rancor, I do not take offense. But my objection to the foul language and the "little boys behind the barn" humor is that parents might see this and not allow their kids to participate in what could be a very informative and inspiring dialog with mentors like we COULD be. I have several students who could benefit from taking part in this forum if it weren't for that. As it is, I don't mention it to them. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | One of the problems with printed media is that it is so limited when trying to express or convey a feeling/ message/idea...the words can be comunicated but the eye contact/body language/vocal tone and timbre cannot be conveyed therefore the message is not complete. Several years ago, I used the term "blessings" as a way of closing my posts...Schroeder in particular was offended; I stopped and reflected and decided to change: I meant no harm and truly meant it in a positive way...as a Pastor, it is something I use everyday...but, if it causes discomfort to even one person and I can aleviate that by simply changing my terminilogy, then I did it.
Paul T. and I are on opposite ends of the stick when it comes to certain topic's...that is a fact. However, we both have many other things in common and at Amelia 08, we, together with Cliff, enjoyed a great night on the town and found we all got along great...and we had a really good time...
Life is filled with things we like and things we dislike...it's after all, just life...
I just wish we could all check our "stuff" at the door and try to get along without trying to force that "stuff" down everyones throat...seriously, it can happen...and the experiences we share can and will be awesome and life changing...
Accepting each other for who we are...what a concept!
I have gone to the former Soviet Union six times since 1994...one of the main things I learned from my travels is that if we could approach the world through their eyes and not force our opinions as Americians on the rest of the world, we might have their respect, and we could exchange ideas and emotions that bring us together and not tear us apart...
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Mike,
Please remove the "Many Guitars, Little Space" from your signature line. That statement really offends me. It's partly your fault...lol
Actually, I'm working on it...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Caravan Rooubishe:
Blastings. THAT is pretty damn funny.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Words like (...) "Happy birthday to the greatest country in the world". ...but it's not.
Originally posted by MusicMishka:
if we could approach the world through their eyes and not force our opinions as Americians on the rest of the world, we might have their respect, and we could exchange ideas and emotions that bring us together and not tear us apart... Mike, my respect for you just went up tenfold. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Muzza, I think chocolate ice cream is the very best flavor. Oh, so you like vanilla better? OK. It doesn't hurt my feelings at all. I keep posting about the Black Hills being the most beautiful place on earth. I'm sure Lanaki or Mark in Boise might think I'm wrong, and that THEY live in the most beautiful place on earth. But I seriously doubt that they take offense at my claim. If we are only allowed to post things everyone can agree on we might as well go join the Taylor forum instead. And if we are going to take offense when other's opinions are different from ours, we are going to have long, miserable lives. All I am saying is that flag wavers and God lovers don't bother me, and they shouldn't bother anyone else. What I myself am not too fond of is the language and sexual innuendo. But when it is in a thread like "Wayne Kerr", once I see what it is about, I just choose not to read anymore. Problem solved.
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Location: south east Michigan | If only the world was full of nice people like us.
Now I meant the collective "us".... not the "U.S." us. Wouldn't want anyone to think I had the audacity to have just a smiggin of any type of pride.
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Location: South of most, North of few | Man, all this over a little get together in Florida. What's next? Where's Heather? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | And uh one! And uh Two!
Hot-lookin’ chicks gonna set my soul
Gonna set my soul on fire,
But that ain’t all that’s-a ready to burn,
I gotta get myself up higher!
There’s a thousand pretty women waitin’ out there,
And they’re all livin’ devil may care,
And I’m just the devil gotta get myself my share!
Viva Viagra! Viva Viagra!
by 2ifbyC:
The OFC 'sickies'... (L to R) BluesSailor (seated), Trader Jim, Retired One, yours truly, and darkbarguitar (seated).
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Allison, don't be saying nice things about Boise. Too many darn Californians will move in. (I avoided the more appropriate obscenity.)
85 degrees and Tyrone Wells playing in the Grove outside my office window. I think I'll go down and have a beer and catch some free music (and try not to notice the young babes that are always there trying to be noticed.) Doesn't get much better. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by CrimsonLake:
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| Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
If we are only allowed to post things everyone can agree on we might as well go join the Taylor forum instead. And if we are going to take offense when other's opinions are different from ours, we are going to have long, miserable lives. All I am saying is that flag wavers and God lovers don't bother me, and they shouldn't bother anyone else.
Come to think about it, here's one - Elixers stink!!! :D Very true.
I've gotten my knickers in a twist lately, and I need to unknot them and remind myself to overlook some stuff that I don't like. I've been super sensitive to stuff lately, and in the end that is not good.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Yeah, Michelle. Suck it up and work on "Hard Way". |
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Location: Utah | I respect the owners' position on this forum that we don't discuss certain issues.
However, I never take offense at people's opinions that differ with mine. I do enjoy a good political discussion. And if someone from another country wants to brag about the great things about their home, great! Nobody here has set out to harm another with their opinion or beliefs, so why should it be offensive what they think or believe?
The one thing I won't back away from is my admiration for members of the military, past and present. They risk their lives and their families sacrifice a lot in order to secure our ability to indulge in easy lives. And that goes equally for military from other countries represented on this forum. Members of the military are distinctly not the same as the politicians who dictate how they are used, so I don't blame the soldiers for whatever mistakes the politicians may make.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Muzza, I think chocolate ice cream is the very best flavor. Oh, so you like vanilla better? OK. It doesn't hurt my feelings at all. ..Black Hills ... most beautiful place ... Lanaki or Mark in Boise ...I'm wrong ... doubt that they take offense... And within 2 posters, someone takes the bait, hook, line and sinker.
I wasn't offended by the 'greatest country on Earth' claim. I just disagreed with it.
Expressing my opinion - exactly what you claim to be promoting. So it's OK to express an opinion, as long as it's pro American?
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | And for what it's worth, I don't think Australia is the greatest country on Earth either.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Aw Muzza... :eek: Don't blow it for me!
I've always wanted to run Down Under. That is kinda like the fantasy country.
Kinda like the Wild West and New York all rolled into one! With Good Beer.
And they speak English! (sorta)
Too damn cold to run to Canada, and they're sick of Americans anyway.
(As well as 'our' insistence that the USA is "America" in total disregard of the rest of the two continents that share the Same Name!) |
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| Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Yeah, Michelle. Suck it up and work on "Hard Way". It does have that line "if you don't bend, well those are the breaks." ;)
I have to learn the hard way every time for lots of things in life.
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Location: south east Michigan | Oh yeah???
Well MY Ovation is better than YOUR Ovation.
Expressing my opinion - exactly what you claim to be promoting. So it's OK to express an opinion, as long as it's pro American?
As this plays out.... again... it just shows why this board just can't perform it's primary function if the listed guidlines are crossed.
I have bitten my tounge and went to private messages a couple time already. I have been told that I am "so wrong" in public but cannot reply in public. I would like to address muzza's statement BUT I CAN'T so I WON'T.
Mike... I embrace the wishes of your sunshine and lollipops statement and I'm sure it sounds good coming from the pulpit but in the real world, with so, so many bad people in it, it'll never happen.
Politically correct statements of unattainable and unquestionable virtue are posted but cannot be further examined.
Miles has said again & again... no politics. This proves again why. I think he has let this go this far to allow us to go full circle to once again, to prove the point.
Maybe it's time pull back... way back, from the edge here. Including even signature lines.
Mike.. look for a PM from me. And heads up, you're going to be offended.
Now... I need to wash this whole thing out of my head. It's taking up way to much time & energy.
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by schroeder:
" I will continue to proselytize that this is the greatest on-line community ever..."
It used to be until the flag-wavers and god-botherers turned it into an American only site.
there used to be half-a-dozen French guys, German guys, Poles and a lot more Brits and Aussies posting regularly on here. Then the military arrived for Operation OFC Ethnic Cleanse.
Judging by a lot of recent posts I guess Operation Democrat Cleanse is next to drive out those that haven't already gone.
It used to be about guitars and laughs and international. It used to be the wittiest site since Oscar Wilde got sent down. Now it's a self-help group for the Sarah Palin Fan Club. This post was the equivalent of the childish halloween prank of lighting a bag of crap on someone's front porch, ringing the doorbell, then running behind some bushes to watch the "funny man get poop on his shoe."
The rest of us are acting like CNN, BBC, or FOX news reporters who can't resist getting our version of the fascinating poop-foot story out to our listeners.
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Location: Brisbane Australia | "What the world need now is love sweet love"
Something to remember for all of us!!
It doesn't matter what we do.
It is always the people business we are in!!
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Location: NJ | this topic was brought to my attention. I have to admit I never read it before I can't be omnipresent although some days I think I should.
anyway, if we just talk about guitars the problems will be fewer and further between.
once we break out the music, it transcends liberal v conservation, athiest v christian, etc etc etc.
we can all just get along to quote rodney king IF we look past these difference.
let's look at the common stuff. we all play guitar, we all make music, we all bleed, we will all turn into dust.
Yes I too am not all that excited about many world issues but I come here as an escape not as a place to air opinions.
Think about it once this place has not become an escape anymore people have moved on.
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Location: Brisbane Australia | This thread has gone way OT!
I have had the priviledge of meeting and enjoying the company of a number of OFC members, some involved in this thread.
I don't give a rats about political persuasions, religious beliefs or patriotism.
What I care about is people.!!
It is the people here that make this forum what it is.
Guys and Gals lets just enjoy what we have!!
It's pretty damn special in the grand scheme of things.
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by Slipkid:
If anyone wants to busk with us, come on over on Sunday. Brad, I would love to but it is a little far for me to travel. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Mike.. look for a PM from me. And heads up, you're going to be offended. Wow, that’s a great way to start someone’s day off...Know what Brad, don't even bother...I am not going to read it...I have enough locally to deal with that offends me, thanks.
I have tried to interject some positive here...
I certainly never set out to offend anyone, and I don't enjoy getting caught up in a quagmire over someone's issues...there's more than enough negative around.
I simply love guitars and the good they can bring in this world...it's been true for me and hopefully for others...
But, I am done here...history...end of story...
I am taking a hiatus and I wish you all the best!
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC ...
It sure looks like you all had a great time down there in Florida! I wish I could have joined you, but I'll just have to be happy for you and then sit and play my guitar for a while. We had a great Labor Day get together here in town also. I hope to post a couple pics on the Labor Day thread later. Right now I'm watching the three grand daughters (deployed parents) to give my wife (who is ill) a break. A BIG THANKS again to iffy for bringing some joy into my daughter's life while she was in Iraq. It looks like that will end up being continued in Germany also. DAVE ... the title "O'raqi refers to the name iffy gave the guitar he sent to her while she was deployed, which now has a bunch of signatures all over it from the many who benifited from playing it. |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by MusicMishka:
...one of the main things I learned from my travels is that if we could approach the world through their eyes and not force our opinions (...) on the rest of the world, we might have their respect, and we could exchange ideas and emotions that bring us together ...
Originally posted by MusicMishka:
Know what Brad, don't even bother...I am not going to read it...
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Location: Texas | I come on here once in a blue moon and it is a thread like this when I realize why I don't come on this MB more. And if you don't like my opinion, it won't hurt my feelings.
Michelle - you have your opinions - stick to them and don't let anyone take them away from you by calling you too sensitive. JMO
Mike - I am glad you are taking some time off - you don't need some one calling your words sunshine and lollipops and tells you a PM is on the way and then warns you ahead of time that you will be offended. That is way off base and I don't blame you for not reading it!
Al, that was a very good post and very true. Too bad, that is not what is happening on this MB....especially on this thread.
For the person who said they will not direct their young students to this board - that is sad but true. I wouldn't want kids to read most of this either.
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Muzza, I was going to send this in a PM, but if YOU have misunderstood me, perhaps everyone has. The "greatest country in the world" was put in quotes because it WAS a quote from the "Happy 4th of July" thread earlier this year. Someone said that, and others took offense. My POINT is that it is an OPINION. I do not take offense at people's opinions as long as they are not contentious when they are stating them. If you insisted that outer Mongolia was the greatest country in the world, and if Miguel said, "No, Brazil is." and if Jerome said, "No, France is.", I would simply be happy for you all that you had found a place you love so much. (My personal opinion is that the Black Hills are the greatest place in the world, and it wouldn't matter WHAT counrty they were located in!)Your opinion does not hurt me one bit. If you like Elixers on Taylors, that's OK with me. I certainly wouldn't get MAD at you for it. I have had some serious discussions with some folks on this board through PM's and e-mails where our opinions were so different they had me questioning their sanity, but in the end, our differences mean nothing compared with our similarities as far as music and guitars go, and in the end, music and guitars are why we are all here. Do I completely ignore everything someone says just because we differ on SOME points? Heck NO! And it bothers me when I see people who have always been friendly with each other start calling each other out about stuff that, in the long run SHOULDN'T MATTER. We are not here to solve the world's problems, we are here to share info and light-hearted banter about guitars.
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Muzza, I was going to send this in a PM, but if YOU have misunderstood me, perhaps everyone has. The "greatest country in the world" was put in quotes because it WAS a quote from the "Happy 4th of July" thread earlier this year. Someone said that, and others took offense. My POINT is that it is an OPINION. I do not take offense at people's opinions as long as they are not contentious when they are stating them. If you insisted that outer Mongolia was the greatest country in the world, and if Miguel said, "No, Brazil is." and if Jerome said, "No, France is.", I would simply be happy for you all that you had found a place you love so much. (My personal opinion is that the Black Hills are the greatest place in the world, and it wouldn't matter WHAT counrty they were located in!)Your opinion does not hurt me one bit. If you like Elixers on Taylors, that's OK with me. I certainly wouldn't get MAD at you for it. I have had some serious discussions with some folks on this board through PM's and e-mails where our opinions were so different they had me questioning their sanity, but in the end, our differences mean nothing compared with our similarities as far as music and guitars go, and in the end, music and guitars are why we are all here. Do I completely ignore everything someone says just because we differ on SOME points? Heck NO! And it bothers me when I see people who have always been friendly with each other start calling each other out about stuff that, in the long run SHOULDN'T MATTER. We are not here to solve the world's problems, we are here to share info and light-hearted banter about guitars.
Now, I'm tired and I'm hungry and I'm going to go eat some lunch. It'll be a chicken sandwich, and I hope that does not offend any vegetarians in the group. Excellent post Canterbury!!! And I do love those Black Hills and chicken sandwiches lol |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Now, I'm tired and I'm hungry and I'm going to go eat some lunch. It'll be a chicken sandwich, and I hope that does not offend any vegetarians in the group. As long as the Chicken is broiled and not fried... because those fried chicken people are crazy! |
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Location: Newington, CT | A man in a boat on a lake sees another man in the water drowning. Does the man in the boat question the drowning man's beliefs and opinions? Of course not.
He rescues the man.
Every time.
Does the drowning man care whether the man rescuing him shares the same beliefs, values and opinions as he?
Of course not.
He is grateful to be rescued.
Every time.
They might be two men who couldn't stand each other in different circumstances, but each focuses on the task at hand given the current circumstances. And each gives the other a COMPLETE PASS -- at least at that time -- as to his or her underlying character.
Every time.
- The lake is "ignorance-of-some-(not all!)-things-about-music-and-guitars."
- The boat is "the-total-knowledge-possessed-by-all-the-members-of-this-board"
- The resuce, or the task-at-hand, is the sharing of knowledge with those of us who don't have it. Then, it's the gratitude we who receive should hand back.
- And, we are, each of us, BOTH the drowning man AND the man in the boat -- depending on the topic or the circumstances.
If we stay on topic -- rescuing the drowning man -- we'll ALWAYS be fine.
And, if sometimes we hear something we don't like or approve of, let's try hard to remember that -- again, depending on the topic or the circumstances -- we are each and every one of us either the drowning man or the rescuer. Then we can bask in the knowledge that pours forth on these pages.
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Tim in Yucaipa:
...yeah, but there will always be someone who doesn't like the way someone else is performing the rescue... Lololollllllll!!! ain't it the truth!?!? Skin's off their back!
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Location: Flahdaw | Does anyone else picture Schroeder sitting in a dark room, lit only by the glow from a flickering computer screen,rubbing his withered and gnarled hands together, a sly grin on his haggard and unshaven face, saying....."yesssss, my evil plan is working perfectly. Hahahahahaha" |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Okey Dokey...
I'm reading thread for the first time now. I saw the initial post, wondered what "O'Raqi Jam" meant, but it was a nice few pictures and figured that was it. I didn't notice it grew to be 5 pages long. Like Al, we can't be everywhere.
Frankly, I'm just plain ashamed of many of you. ONE POST... on the FIRST page... drove a group of intelligent people completely off-topic for 4 more pages??? HUH... WTF ???
Just think what would have happened if NO ONE would have responded to that ONE post and just kept the conversation about the topic. What type of pathetic person NEEDS to respond to obvious nonsense?? Is it that you have NO self-control or is it just that your ego's are so huge you positively have to have an opinion on EVERYTHING even if it required NO opinion.
I am thinking of of closing this topic, but frankly... as Slipkid mentioned... it's an entertaining example of why this forum is about OVATION GUITARS.
As far as the "old timers" having left... they haven't gone as far as you think. When they have something worth contributing, they do. I think a few more people should take that approach... ONLY POST IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OVATION GUITARS.
Now, if you have something Off-Topic that you'd like to share... you know we allow that. If you think it's fun, interesting or otherwise worthwhile to the other fans of Ovation guitars... as long as it doesn't contain ANY references to ANY politics or ANY religion... it's likely ok.. If you don't know... then don't post it!!!. That's really simple isn't it.
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/manifesto.asp
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by darkbarguitar:
Does anyone else picture Schroeder sitting in a dark room, lit only by the glow from a flickering computer screen,rubbing his withered and gnarled hands together, a sly grin on his haggard and unshaven face, saying....."yesssss, my evil plan is working perfectly. Hahahahahaha" Oh... you've met him then. |
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Location: NW Washington State | Originally posted by darkbarguitar:
Does anyone else picture Schroeder sitting in a dark room, lit only by the glow from a flickering computer screen,rubbing his withered and gnarled hands together, a sly grin on his haggard and unshaven face, saying....."yesssss, my evil plan is working perfectly. Hahahahahaha" No. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | No, I see Schroeder sitting there satisfied at having made his point and that an interesting discussion followed. Satisfied that this discussion caused many here to think about what it is they want, need, and expect from this forum and how it does or doesn’t meet those needs and expectations.
It seems that about every 6-8 months this board goes through some type of upheaval, Brads manifesto gets paraded through (Brad-Nice work there!) and we all get a better understanding of who we are as individuals in this large group. A period of relative calm follows, a series of meetings and get togethers take place and we all grow a bit closer as a viable group made up of individuals with a similar interest.
Can this forum be the same place it was 5+ years ago? Unfortunately, I’m afraid not. There are too many of us with too varied experiences and opinions that invariably lead to ‘confrontations’ such as we are having now. This forum has evolved beyond the ‘boys behind the barn’ place it was in the past and in many ways that is sad. Those that were active at that time were a pretty tight knit group and hardcore Ovation fans. It really is a lost to all of us that they no longer actively participate because in between the raw humor was a mountain of knowledge and more importantly, spirit that I find lacking today.
In return, we do indeed have a larger group, spread throughout the world, and just as in the past, I am proud to take part. I’m confident that I could travel throughout the country, indeed the world, and I would be welcomed as family by people I have never met, but have become ‘virtual’ friends with due to our common association on this forum. It is rare that this type of community exists, but I’m glad that it does.
Schroeder, Cliff, Jeff W, Fred and others (you know who you are) – I miss your wit and banter probably more than any other thing. I also miss your contributions on the history and all things ‘O’ that helped build the foundations this board stands on. Please don’t remain strangers. Paul Templeman, I include you in this same group, but you do stop by now and then to offer up a bit of good information from the well of your vast knowledge. I do appreciate that.
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Let me say this:_
Nobody here loves the OFC more than me. It was the first and only internet thing I have ever joined and participated in. I have been to two OFC tours. When some of you start dribbling on about "the finest community of friends" and all of that shit most of you don't know what you're talking about. When I had a death sentence pronounced on me it was my immediate family and a bunch of strangers on the OFC that dragged me through months of surgery, radiotherapy, chemotherapy and morphine hell. One of them, as older members know, didn't miss a day for close on nine months emailing me to keep my spirits up - days when I couldn't be bothered almost to breathe, I dragged myself to a computer to answer the guy who wouldn't let me quit. I'd never met him. Then, out of the blue he sent me his best guitar - newer guys have no idea how rare/important/unique the U681t is in Ovation's one-off and custom build history - across the ocean and utterly trusting. I have never met a better human being. When I was recovering I made it to my first OFC tour - but only because he took me into his home and life and got me through it all. At the Tour I met a lot of other guys, and I hope it's not an exaggeration to say that half-a-dozen of them have become true friends, both of me and my family in a couple of cases.
At this point I might mention that the biggest, hardest and meanest 3 chord player in the world is one of them, so don't be too rude to me because you might bump into him one day. And he looks like my long lost brother so any comments about my appearance are not wise.
This board was one of the friendliest, wittiest places on earth for a long while. You current posters have no idea how fast this board used to move - it was like Twitter before Twitter was invented. Jeff/cliff/dave/temp/bobbo/weaser/waskel/M-I-B/pauly/filhixx/beal/brad - the list goes on and I'm sorry if I missed anyone I should have included.
MM made reference to my great objection to his use of the word blessings in his sig line. He made it sound like I objected to blessings period. What I objected to was the automatic inclusion in every post. "I changed my strings today - blessings" is not the same as "I became a grandfather today - blessings". Getting your religion from"Bubba's Burger Bar and Bible School" is not the same as someone here who regularly uses his vacation to travel to Africa to actually help people. The crap that so many people post with "religious intent" is just posturing, not a representation of faith.
There is at least one guy here with a HUGE family connection and interest in the military - and he doesn't carp on and on about it even during the periods when he has had children under fire. A real man who understands the meaning of service and sacrifice. Just like the endless cheap use of "blessings" belittles the faith and actions of true believers, so the endless "flag-waving" belittles those who are reading the posts with genuine worries.
Let it also be said - nowhere, to my knowledge and experience, in Europe do people find it necessary to fly flags in their gardens or feel the need to comment in any way shape or form about how much they love their country. To non-Americans visiting this site the endless flag-waving shit is offensive, unwelcoming and off-putting. For Americans who have never travelled it seems that it's us that have the problem - but believe me, I have never felt in my entire life that I have to declare my feelings for England to anyone. That's how Europeans are. Only far right nationalists and outright Nazis seek the cover of the flag to make their activities respectable over here. It's not that what you do is wrong - it's just that you don't/refuse to see how others see you. I assume that all the flag-wavers are not suggesting that all the people I mentioned above are not patriots? There was a regular international membership here which has gone. An occasional post doesn't alter the fact that most Europeans have left.
If what the majority want is an almost American-only board suffused with a morbid sentimentality, then carry on.
For those who don't get this I'm sure Temp will be along shortly with the concise version. Or, maybe even more fearsome, Caravan may drop in to share his thoughts and feelings.
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I have never liked the little scripture quotes in the signature lines, a cheap shot at getting religion in every thing they do. Just like the F***ing(see I was controled) bible thumpers who end every sentence with "Praise the Lord" or "Bless You" or other shit like that.
NOW, can we all get back to bitching about why Elixers are Great/Suck and the purity of Taylor guitars? |
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| I think that was the pacifist wing of The Caravan. I've never met him.
And Elixirs suck. |
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Location: SoCal | Schro', my man! God our mother musta been ugly.... |
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Location: Newington, CT | I almost never get up in arms about someone posting silly pot shots at entire peoples. Schroeder, your last post was both moving and REALLY immature.
The story of your recovery (compelte, I hope) from cancer was very moving.
However, so mcuh of what followed was just a childish, silly rant, and you should take a deep breath.
Ex.: "What I objected to was the automatic inclusion in every post. "I changed my strings today - blessings" is not the same as "I became a grandfather today - blessings"."
Schroeder - you survived cancer and THIS torqued you off!?! One is tempted to say: "Get a life." but that would be gauche.
Ex.: "This board was one of the friendliest, wittiest places on earth for a long while. You current posters have no idea how fast this board used to move - it was like Twitter before Twitter was invented. Jeff/cliff/dave/temp/bobbo/weaser/waskel/M-I-B/pauly/filhixx/beal/brad - the list goes on and I'm sorry if I missed anyone I should have included."
Do you think things never change? Just because you don't like HOW it changed, doesn't mean you need to slam an entire people.
Ex.: "The crap that so many people post with "religious intent" is just posturing, not a representation of faith."
Why? Just because you say so? Puh-leeze! Who made YOU the arbiter of what is sincere?!?!? Expecially in written communication! |
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Location: Texas | To non-Americans visiting this site the endless flag-waving shit is offensive, unwelcoming and off-putting. For Americans who have never travelled it seems that it's us that have the problem - but believe me, I have never felt in my entire life that I have to declare my feelings for England to anyone.
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| Damn! Ya got me.
More fool me to bandy words with my betters.
I gotta go make a donation to Ai Qaeda. Damn!! Ya tricked that out of me as well. |
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Location: Whitecourt, Ab | If it's possible to return this hi-jacked thread back to Iffy... I was wondering if you all made it out of a room with TJ without trading or buying any guitars? |
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Location: south east Michigan | In a post chock full if good insite, this art stands out even more so.
Bluesailor said:
Those that were active at that time were a pretty tight knit group and hardcore Ovation fans. It really is a loss to all of us that they no longer actively participate because in between the raw humor was a mountain of knowledge and more importantly, spirit that I find lacking today.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by rededdie:
If it's possible to return this hi-jacked thread back to... At this stage, unfortunately, I doubt it... But...
I was wondering if you all made it out of a room with TJ without trading or buying any guitars?
TJ was too busy jonesing for his ol' Martin. He was in near tears when Brad left with it...
I did offer Bob, Retired One, a nice case for his 'O' which he's picking up this weekend. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by AlanM:
A man in a boat on a lake sees another man in the water drowning. Does the man in the boat question the drowning man's beliefs and opinions? Of course not.
He rescues the man.
Every time.
Well, actually, kinda depends upon who the drowning man is and what kind of guitar he plays..... |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Schroeder, you have expressed your opinion, and differing opinions are fine. BUT, the WAY you expressed it could use a little refinement. Just to let you know, when I talk about what a fine community of friends I have found here, I am not "dribbling and all that shit", and I actually DO know what I am talking about. There are members here who have done SO MUCH for me, and if you don't like hearing me thank them, well, just hit your back button.
Your attack on Music Mike is uncalled for. People objected to his use of the word blessings in his sig line so he removed it. I have NO idea why anyone would object to such a thing from an ordained minister, but to accuse him of getting his education at "Bubba's burger and bible bar", and to accuse him of "posturing" is more than just an opinion, it is downright mean.
And as far as our "unabashed flag waver", I'm sorry, but I love that man like a brother. How DARE you belittle HIS service to his country!
Your opinions are your opinions, but when you start bashing my friends, well, let's just say that today was the first time in the year and a half I have been here that I can honestly say I am glad there is ONE member here that I have never met. Good bye. |
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Location: Newington, CT | ...Sorry...I hit "Add Reply" prematurely!
There's more:
Another example: "Let it also be said - nowhere, to my knowledge and experience, in Europe do people find it necessary to fly flags in their gardens or feel the need to comment in any way shape or form about how much they love their country. To non-Americans visiting this site the endless flag-waving shit is offensive, unwelcoming and off-putting."
Some of this might be exactly why Europe is in such steep decline.
I lived a long time in France, and their disdain as regards all things American was just silly. I also remember walking through a cemetery in Normandie -- filled with American soldiers who gave their lives for France. Same disparaging comments. European states of mind are not superior to American ones -- just different. And, ya know what? I STILL love France and the French, despite their many profoundly stupid ideas about The USA.
Ex.: "the endless cheap use of "blessings" belittles the faith and actions of true believers, so the endless "flag-waving" belittles those who are reading the posts with genuine worries."
Wow! There's just so much wrong here! Again, who decided YOU get to determine who's sincere? Who decided YOU get to determine whose worries are genuine? Who decided YOU get to determine what words are cheaply used and what are well-used?
Ex.: "I have never felt in my entire life that I have to declare my feelings for England to anyone."
What a shame. England could use a few LOUD patriots about now. Even so, your objection is just a question of style. If you dislike America and Americans because their style includes conspicuous love of country, then you're exhibiting the same intolerance and provincialism you so loudly decry. We certainly would never sneer at the famous British reticence. (even though, just 'twixt you 'n me, I think it's kinds silly and put on.)
Trust me...there's a whole LOT about the British, or about what's British, or French, or Italian, or German, or, or, or...that could be singled out as obnoxious, or offensive, or stupid, or silly, but I wouldn't, and don't mention them, because that would be rude. And, most importantly, I don't even TRY to pretend that my culture is perfect, or even superior...just that it is American.
And, frankly, people who come here aren't rushing to LEAVE America.
Ex.: "There is at least one guy here with a HUGE family connection and interest in the military - and he doesn't carp on and on about it even during the periods when he has had children under fire. A real man who understands the meaning of service and sacrifice."
You DO describe a real man. I think. and I admire him greatly. But I wouldn't presume to say I could determine WHO is or is not a real man. You and I simply agree that his demeanor makes of him a real man. Sadly, there are those who think he's not, and who would say disparaging things about him and his character. Personally, I wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for their opinion, but they're out there, and they're allowed to say whatever they want, whenever they want to. This freedom's kind of an American thing that lots of Europeans are not used to.
Personally, I like it.
Schroeder: I hope your initial screed was just an ill-considered rant, the peevish result of an "undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato," to quote a great British writer. Because it certainly was unseemly. If you don't like how the OFC has changed, please feel free to upgrade our content by pouring forth copious sparkling posts, filled with fresh prose, witty bons mots and cleverness. That's a MUCH better response to the mediocrity we apparently exhibit so promiscuously.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | STOP IT |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | ALL OF YOU, ENOUGH ALREADY |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I go away for guitar lessons, find out Darby's booked till next year and when I get back it's a full fledged pissing contest.
Hey remember, even the winner in a pissing contest is wet. |
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Location: Newington, CT | One more quick thing, Schroeder...I tell my kids I love them many times per day, in public. One day a casual friend of mine, a woman, took me aside and told me that something had been bothering her for a long time. She told me that I cheapened the use of the three words, by saying them so often.
I told her that if she had any idea at all of the reason why I do it, she'd understand how wrong she was.
And, you know what? I told her, and she understood how wrong she was.
And she told me a year or so later that she now makes sure to tell her kids she loves them a LOT more.
Style again. Only, there's a story...as there is with EVERY style of doing things. |
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Location: Utah | Nevermind, long response redacted.
But nobody here better say anything bad about the Jackalope! Or green Jello. Wait, I don't eat green Jello, so you can go ahead and bash that. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by Beal:
I go away for guitar lessons, find out Darby's booked till next year and when I get back it's a full fledged pissing contest.
Hey remember, even the winner in a pissing contest is wet. LOL I hadn't really given that a thought.
Beal you're right. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Beal:
STOP IT I agree!
Al or Miles,
As the thread author, I formally request that this thread be locked. At this point, we are not fostering any good with it's continuance. There are other means by which those that want to continue may do so. But please, not here! Further venting is only that. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by FlySig:
Nevermind, long response redacted.
But nobody here better say anything bad about the Jackalope! Or green Jello. Wait, I don't eat green Jello, so you can go ahead and bash that. Hey! I LIKE green Jello! |
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Location: Newington, CT | Iffy: maybe you could re-start the topic (Operation 'O'raqi Jam ) in a different thread? It was a great topic before it careened wildly out of control. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | True story: My grandmother used to make this concoction with grren jello, cream cheese, and fruit. I LOVED my grandmother. She was always proud of the compliments she got on her cooking. So the first time she served me green jello (I was just a small kid), I said "Wow, Grammy, this is good!" I know, you all see it coming. For the rest of my life Gram always made green jello whenever she knew I was eating there. And I always managed to choke it down and lie about how good it was. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Man, I have no clue where to begin, or why I feel I have to contribute to this thread ... Actually I DO know why. Why do your kids act up? Why does the dog distroy the house? Why to students disrupt class rooms. BECAUSE THEY ARE BORED.
I won't speak for any other membres of the old crew, but as for my self I am bored to tears discussing Ovation guitars. As I once said, anything of substance that I could possibly contribute to this forum has been delivered long, long ago. So why don't I just disappear like some of my best friends have done? Well, I'm ADDICTED to this place, that's why. 7 years and 13,000 posts worth of addiction. I admire (in a way) that some of my close friends had the balls to see the writing on the wall and walk away. But I can't do it. Not yet. Maybe when I pass Cliff as the most pathetic post monger of all time.
But I am also too old and too far into this thing to change. Yes, in my real life I might use the words shit, fuck and tits a few times a day. Oh heaven help us if I scar your children. To come here and be something that I am not, to tip toe around fellings and other peoples agendas? No way.
I've said this before, I will never hesitate to share my opinions or tell you what I would do in a certain instance or what I might think about something. But I'll never tell YOU what to do or what to think. Nor will I really give a shit what you think or do. It's YOUR life, go do what you want with it.
Personally I applaud Shroeder, Temp, Bobbo and others who just speak their mind and that's it. I personally know these people to be among my best friends. Add Moody, Jeff, Brad, Caravan and several others. We've slept in each others homes, eaten at each others tables, helped each other in many many ways. Friendships that will last long after the OFC is dead and gone (yes it will die someday, everything does). Ironic that my closest friends are now the outcasts. Or is it that the outcasts are my closest friends.
Just me (the bored one) typing out loud here, but am I the only one who considers this forum to be Entertainment, and nothing more? The OFC has no obligation to protect it's members from the real world, at least that's how I see it. If anything, here on the OFC you will come in contact with a higer class slice of life, less threatening, more congenial, and kinder membership than you could ever possibly run into in the real world. If you don't like the movie, then leave the theater. If I'm the one person smoking in the theater and ruining it for everyone else, then turn me in to the manager and I'll leave.
Personally I think this has been one of the best threads in a long time. It reminds me why I love this place, reminds me who my real friends are, and above all IT'S NOT BORING |
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Location: East Tennessee | I forgot to mention a couple of things.
I'm an American and fly my flag. You don't have to and I won't think less of you.
I am a Christian. You can believe what you want I won't be offended.
You can use cuss words. I've heard them all,(and used a few in my day). I would ask to be sensitive to the female and younger contingent.
Brad, I also miss some of the older members. Their knowledge, wit and guitar skills. I also wish we could have spent some time together when you lived in Tennessee. My Bad.
Temp, When someone asks a technical question and you reply I often copy and paste your reply into a file on my computer. your playing skills and technical knowledge are an asset to this forum
Al & Miles, you guys have much more patience than I do. Thanks.
Schroeder, I remember about 4 years ago I was in a twit about tuning knobs and missed an email about a dear friend who was facing some life/Death issues. YOU were the only one to send me a PM expressing your concern. When I told him that someone he never met for England was praying for him. The look of gratefulness on his face was something I'll not forget. That PM remains in my inbox as a reminder of what this forum is.
I hope musicmike doesn't stay away too long. He is a truly wonderful guy and an absolutely fantastic guitar player.
Trader Jim the first member I ever met in person. A lifelong friend.
iffy, What else can I say but another lifelong friend.
To all the girls. You add to forum stay and play. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
Originally posted by Beal:
STOP IT I agree!
Al or Miles,
As the thread author, I formally request that this thread be locked. At this point, we are not fostering any good with it's continuance. There are other means by which those that want to continue may do so. But please, not here! Further venting is only that. |
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