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| Just stumbled upon Jim Croce videos on Youtube,seems he also used ovations alot.
Where are they?
If he played live with them,he recorded with them.
Old Balladeer I think.... |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Yepper, Jim is an 'O' legend 'round here. |
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Location: Texas | He played an old Legend model 1617-1 Sunburst.
His wife Ingrid has it, according to Ovation.
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| These guys could play any guitar they wanted.
From what I have seen,Ovation guitars was the instrument all the great singer/players used.
good for us....... |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | I have No idea who jim Groce is , but if he was using a 1617 sunburst ( I have one ) , ... maybe worth finding out about him...
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Location: CA | She's living in L.A.
with my best old ex-friend Ray . . . |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Country Artist:
He played an old Legend model 1617-1 Sunburst.
His wife Ingrid has it, according to Ovation.
:cool: I don't think it was old when he played it.... |
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Location: Texas | Flickreno:
After you check out Jim Croce you will thank me for changing your life!
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Location: Texas | Muddy Pie..........go to bed! |
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Location: SoCal | " I play Ovations and peer through lenses , therefore I am " ( Enlightened ?! )
or a perv.... |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
" I play Ovations and peer through lenses , therefore I am " ( Enlightened ?! )
or a perv.... Are you drinking with Patch and Vic? :D |
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| I remember the day - too sad for words. His Ovation survived the plane crash in which he and Maury died. Although he primarily played Ovations on the road, he also had a fondness for a particular '69 Martin D-21 which belonged to his photographer/ friend Paul Wilson and which was used in a very famous photo shoot:
Little chance that guitar would have survived the crash. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by dcwill:
Little chance that guitar would have survived the crash. Whether or not a guitar survies a crash or not depends on the case, not the guitar. |
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Location: ms | I think most of his records were done on that gibson thats on part of his live dvd. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by gulfcoast:
I think most of his records were done on that gibson thats on part of his live dvd. That was my understanding as well. He and Maury had a couple of Martins they gigged with that show up on some of the early videos. And then somebody from AR (Hennessey?) intercepted them on the road and stuck Legends in their hands. Fortunately for Ovation that was just about the time they took off in photo ops, Midnight special, etc. so Ovation got a lot of visibility out of it. I also found it interesting in some of the videos that although the Legends were A/E in quite a few cases Jim and Maury didn't plug them in, they used mics. Or maybe they were doing a milli vanilli ? |
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Location: ms | I`m a big Martin fan and the last couple of Gibsons ive had have been great but i think the Ovations sound the best on that dvd. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Back to the original question of where "the guitar" is at ... I believe it WAS on display at the family restaurant in San Diego where his wife Ingrid lives. Here's a link to the Croce's site where there is a background story on him and the fam.
Croce\'s |
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Location: Texas | According to studio players I have talked to that were on Jim's recording sessions, all that great acoustic guitar work we love on Jim's 3 ABC albums was him playing a Gibson "Dove" model and Maury playing a Martin D-18
these ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_2bSvTbvck
They also used custom guitars by Petillo on the last "I Got A Name" album, but they did not record with Ovations, only used them live in concert in the last part of their career.
Patrick Simmons from the Doobie Bros. was the one that showed Jim his Ovation and that is how Jim got interested in them.
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Location: SoCal | You know, this goes back to Charlie's original concept of making a great "workingman's" guitar. Something you could and would take on the road. It sounded great acoustically and plugged in, and was affordable.
Nothing wrong with spending more money on something nicer that you would leave in the studio or home.
Fender had the same idea with the Tele and Strat... |
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Location: Indiana | The History of O book mentions that Jim's Legend survived the crash. Then states that his wife sent it back to the factory. It doesn't say why (inspection, curiosity ?)or how long it stayed there. Maybe Beal can shed some light. |
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| Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Originally posted by dcwill:
Little chance that guitar would have survived the crash. Whether or not a guitar survies a crash or not depends on the case, not the guitar. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | So if the case does no good why not just bolt a handle to the side of your guitar and be done with it.
I'm not a NTSB inspector but I think the inference that his guitar survived the crash because of some super human guitar powers is total bullshit. If Croce was curled up in the back where the guitars were maybe he would have survived as well. |
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| No need to get contentious. No one said the case "does no good". It's just not the sole determining factor as you claimed. Steve Vai beat you with the idea of having a handle built-in on his Ibanez models. ;)
Some guitars are more fragile than others. Ovations have a well-earned reputation for being rugged. Martins do not, and in fact are much lighter and more fragile than other traditional guitars, such as Guilds. That was my entire point about the D-21 likely not faring as well in a crash as the Ovations.
A lot of that has to do with the materials and construction, but even the geometry of the bowl helps distribute forces around the periphery of the back instead of focusing stress at glued seams and braces. Synthetic backs have no grain weaknesses either.
And it's well established that where people sit in a plane affects their chance of surviving a serious crash, but that's still only a very small factor in the overall equation. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Not contentious at all. There is no right/wrong answer as nobody knows for sure is a different guitar in a different case in a different location of the plane would have fared better or worse.
I agree with you that on average a plastic guitar should fare better in catastrophic accidents than a wooden guitar. The thing that I'm sure we all agree is that we would have rather had the guitar get destroyed instead of its owner. |
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| I have a couple of Ovations that should be in a plane crash... |
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Location: south east Michigan | I can't beleive the turn this thread has taken. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Welcome Ultra.....maybe you should donate them to the Bottom Feeders Luthier Guild then? (I'm not a member, so not touting my own cause...) Some of them might love your challenge! |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Well no matter WHAT he played early on, as I see it he finally discovered the best guitar in his last days. (: |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Slipkid:
I can't beleive the turn this thread has taken. New here?
I'm surprised it took this long! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'll give you that a Martin is a more fragile guitar than an Ovation. It's also a hell of a lot lighter weight. So has anyone considered that maybe if Jim had been carrying a Martin instead of the Ovation maybe the plane would have been just light enough to clear the trees and not crash. Maybe the "famous" Ovation is actually responsible for the crash! |
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Location: Location Location Location | Maybe the "famous" Ovation is actually responsible for the crash! Nah. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | I can't believe that no one has yet asked the obvious question: What strings were on that 'O'? |
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Location: ms | This place just seems to bring out the best in people. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Nah, they were already good when they got here. |
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| Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I also found it interesting in some of the videos that although the Legends were A/E in quite a few cases Jim and Maury didn't plug them in, they used mics. Or maybe they were doing a milli vanilli ? I noticed that too. In all of the vids on the "Have You Heard Jim Croce Live" both Ovations and Martins were miked at the sound hole.
IMHO, the Ovations sounded great while the Martins he used sounded really dead, especially on "Speedball Tucker" and "Roller Derby Queen".
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Originally posted by bvince:
Back to the original question of where "the guitar" is at ... I believe it WAS on display at the family restaurant in San Diego where his wife Ingrid lives. Here's a link to the Croce's site where there is a background story on him and the fam.
Croce\'s
know about Croce's Restaurant, I would have checked it out!!
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Location: Mass | I attended Villanova University many, many years after Jim Croce but there are still great memories everywhere about his life and music, lots of photos, etc. and some archives too I believe. Don McLean was a Villanova alum too. |
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| Don McLean attended Villanova for a while but later graduated from Iona, IIRC. He credits that education for his business savvy (the smarts to retain his publishing rights under great pressure to swap them for his first record deal, for example). In fact, I believe he was ultimately awarded an honorary doctorate from Iona. |
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Location: Mass | cool... :cool:
I have a few Croce and McLean songs on my iPhone somewhere between Led Zepplin and Keith Urban.
Happy Memorial Day Weekend to all!!!!! |
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Location: Texas | Jim Croce is still my favorite Ovation artist.
Unfortunately the Ovation Croce model will never be.
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Location: Texas | Double post. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | should be |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I saw Croce buying a Snapple and SlimJim at a QuikCheck in Weehawken, just last year. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | ....throughout the intricate, complex, mind bending melodies of his acoustical arrangements...Croce's music had a simple, honest, and down to earth tone that every man can identify with...he was beyond his years in composition and didn't even know it...and didn't really care...he was just being and saying and singing and sharing who he was.
That's my take on Jim Croce...what a talent.
Norse(I always have a Croce CD in the car for long drives, or when I'm feeling a bit melancholy)man1 |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Jeff, what did a 66 year old Croce look like?
I was going to ditto Serge's post but he did it himself. I play 3 or 4 Croce tunes every time I pick up a guitar and, Norse, he just happened to be in the cd player on the way in this morning. |
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Location: Utah | Most likely the guitar was in the rear cargo compartment, not in the main passenger compartment. The tail section usually suffers the least damage and the lowest G forces in a crash.
Sometimes it is G force that kills people in crashes, sometimes it is blunt force trauma. The drivers up front are subjected to the highest G forces in the crash as the front of the aircraft absorbs energy. As the front crumples, the front row occupants are likely to be subjected to impact trauma with the aircraft, especially head impact with the side window or glare shield.
The human can only survive a small amount of G force, whereas a guitar can survive a lot more.
I remember my beloved Alvarez-Yiari 12 string falling off of a stage, about a 5 foot fall, shortly after purchasing it in high school. It was in the hard shell case near the edge of the stage standing upright when someone bumped it off. It tipped off the stage and landed on a top corner of the case (headstock area), then bounced on it's side.
No damage to the guitar and only a very minor ding to the case. Had that been a human wearing a helmet landing on his head it would have caused serious damage. |
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Location: Hanau, Hessen, Germany | +1 on Norseman's posting! |
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