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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | GNATL called me this morning and we took a trip to Calhoun GA to buy this 1597. Price was $400 for a well used guitar. It's going to need some clean up for sure, but it plays well and sounds good. The only thing that really concerns me is the bridge, which is slightly lifted, more so on the bass side. Enough to slide a pick under, but it appears stable and stays in tune very well. How much of a problem is that going to be?
Check it out:
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Joined: November 2007 Posts: 1486
Location: Cincinnati | Nice find! Is it yours or GNATL's? |
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | Both! we splurged and went $200 each. We'll figure that out later. |
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
The only thing that really concerns me is the bridge, which is slightly lifted, more so on the bass side. Enough to slide a pick under, but it appears stable and stays in tune very well. How much of a problem is that going to be? |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 4394
Location: East Tennessee | Nice find. |
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Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6268
Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Sweet snag! Luv that color... |
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Joined: June 2006 Posts: 7307
Location: South of most, North of few | I guess he can strum and you can do the neck work from the picture.... :D |
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Joined: February 2008 Posts: 69
Location: Georgia | Fun trip. Listened to the Bobbo Cd twice it was awesome. Capt'ns half of the 1597 needs a lot of cleaning and TLC. My half is in great shape. There is a ton of gunk on the neck that mineral oil isn't touching. Does anyone have any suggestions for cleaning it?
OMA is the crazy glue suggestion serious, I'm a rookie and willing to believe anything.
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 2791
Location: Atlanta, GA. | Jas, "outies"...
Nice get.
Was a case included? |
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Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1634
Location: Warren,Pa. | Gunk on the neck...or on the fingerboard? If it's on the neck...and if it's an oiled neck...the mineral oil will do. Apply a generous amount to the wood, then rub gently with oooo steel wool going WITH the grain. You can do this to the fingerboard, too...gently AGAINST the grain. Dig in a little with your fingernail behind it where the frets and the wood meet.
John <>{
BTW, I prefer Dunlop 65 fingerboard oil for this. It's got lemon oil in it and it smells really good while you're working with it. |
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | Thanks. There is a generous amount of gunk on the neck AND fingerboard, and everywhere else you can find. Case was included- rusty, cracked and stinky but otherwise in perfect shape. |
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Joined: October 2006 Posts: 5575
Location: big island | i've seen that pose before, but it was two smilin' southern boys holdin' a big ol' catfish. nice catch, fellas. |
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Joined: February 2008 Posts: 69
Location: Georgia | A big ol' catfish would be a lot easier to clean then this thing! Headway is being made on the neck with 0000 steel wool and mineral oil though. Great suggestion.
Biggest concern is still the slight lifting of the bridge in the back.
Gary |
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | By the way, we're gonna need a set of gold tuners. These are pitted and need replacing. |
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Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6268
Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
a set of gold tuners Jas, do ya have a pic of the back of the head stock? |
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Joined: November 2007 Posts: 1486
Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
By the way, we're gonna need a set of gold tuners. These are pitted and need replacing. You need the complete tuners or just the buttons? The original buttons are in the 1581 case. You can charge GNATL for 3 of them. :D |
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | We can get a pic. But the whole tuner is needed. This is going to be a good playing guitar, but right now anything metal is rusted and corroded, and it's covered all over with a layer of grime. We think of it as a rescue.
It was well-played and poorly taken care of. We want to switch that around and make it well taken care of and played poorly.
It's not going to be a showpiece, so personally I'm not opposed to replacing the buttons and tuners with silver or even black.
We should get "before" pix anyway. |
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Joined: December 2003 Posts: 13984
Location: Upper Left USA | Pitted Tuners I got!
Is there any hope for these?
Also have some good buttons. I really do like the Ivoroids on just about anything.
New from Mother or from Alpep.
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Joined: February 2008 Posts: 69
Location: Georgia | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
Thanks. There is a generous amount of gunk on the neck AND fingerboard, and everywhere else you can find. Case was included- rusty, cracked and stinky but otherwise in perfect shape. I wasn't sure if Jas was refering to me or the guitar.
Gary |
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | No, I was referring to the case, or I'd have said a crusty, stinky crackhead.
Brace yourself:
Moody, all yours look great by comparison. I imagine we'd not mind spending a little on new looking ones. |
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Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6268
Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Jas,
How 'bout these for $37 shipped USPS Priority?
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | Sold! Thanks, Iffy.
Now for the more worrysome bridge problem. The below shows that you can slide a pick under the bridge, more toward the bass side than the treble. This is the issue that will determine whether the guitar is a keeper or not. We're not as worried about beauty, but would like to have it to play if the bridge is secure.
OMA says Crazy Glue. That would be great. The bow under the bridge is very slight.
Insight and words of caution would be helpful.
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777
Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Uh... I think that I was Joking.
Although Stew-Mac thinks that Crazy Glue will fix anything, I would wait for verification from one of the folks that really know what they are doing.
If cyano-whatever glue turns-out to be the best choice, they have some that is really thin, that takes 10 to 20 minutes to set.
That would give you the chance to apply it under the bridge, then wipe any excess off of the top before it hardens. Then you can hold it down for the duration of a sit-com...
or the full version of "Echoes" or "Alice's Restaurant" :D |
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Joined: April 2008 Posts: 2985
Location: Sydney, Australia | You might not need to hold it down if the bridge drops down when the strings are loose, just put the glue in then loosen the strings.
Nice catch guys. What is the gunk on the guitar anyway, is it like the crap you get on the inside of a car windscreen? |
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Joined: December 2003 Posts: 13984
Location: Upper Left USA | If it were a wood top I say inject a syringe of Hide glue and clamp it overnight.
Gorilla Glue is expansive and may make it worse.
Epoxy is good but permanent.
I think you should call Kim or John and ask which product they use. |
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Joined: December 2003 Posts: 13984
Location: Upper Left USA | Oh, and it doesn't work out for you let's talk some trades. I've never butchered an Adamas before! |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 4394
Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
It was well-played and poorly taken care of.
Commonly referred to as " "Rode hard and put away wet" |
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Joined: July 2004 Posts: 766
Location: New Hampsha | I think I'd try a combination of the previous suggestions - I'd go with the epoxy and then slacken the strings, and clean up the squeeze-out before it hardened.
That looks like it might have been a Katrina survivor? I'm jealous - I'm looking for a mint 1597 RG and they've all gone into hiding... Nice snag! |
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Joined: March 2008 Posts: 179
Location: Central Florida | +1 on calling the Mothership for advice on what to use for sticking the bridge down. Sure would be nice to be able to do that repair yourself.
Nice grab you guys!
Otto
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | According to GNATL, Iffy is the man. I had already informed G of that fact. |
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Joined: February 2008 Posts: 69
Location: Georgia | It's a fact, Iffy is the man. New tuners, and a set of strings for good measure.
Thanks again Iffy. Now if I can just get the Captain to join me on a trip to Fl we'd come by and see ya'.
Gary |
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Joined: November 2002 Posts: 3604
Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Great advice, MWoody. Call The MotherShip. They use a two-part epoxy, of some sort. I'd want to diagnose why the bridge was lifting, also. If an Adamas "bellies-up", how is the top returned to a flatter profile?
BTW, lacquer thinner will clean the fretboard- real well. Gets rid of all the finger oils & acids, too. |
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | Originally posted by GNATL:
Now if I can just get the Captain to join me on a trip to Fl we'd come by and see ya'. I never said I wanted to see him! |
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Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6268
Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
I never said I wanted to see him!
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Joined: December 2008 Posts: 1453
Location: Texas | If I found that guitar, in that condition, at that price, I'd have taken a long drive for it too, the heat in the car would warm me up between the cold nights sleeping in the dog-house. ;)
It's sad the way some of these beautiful instruments have been treated, but it's nice that we can rescue them and bring them back to life. (It also enables some of us with "diminished guitar funds***" to get to play better guitars than we otherwise would be able to.)
Since I'm in the process of cleaning up a neglected Adamas also, I'll be watching this thread to see how your project progresses, and glean any advice that I can, too. I'm looking forward to your "after" pix almost as much as I'm looking forward to posting my own. ;)
You guys may soon be in the unique situation of begging each other to accept $200 to buy out the other half of the guitar. Please, don't start a bidding war with each other… maybe you can work out a shared custody arrangement… ;)
*** Diminished Guitar Funds was the name of a band I used to be in. We only played diminished chords, I don't know why we never made it big… ;) |
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Joined: July 2005 Posts: 3408
Location: GA USA | We already worked it out, standing. I explained to Gary what the guitar is actually worth and he's paying me $1000 for my half. |
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Joined: February 2008 Posts: 69
Location: Georgia | As stated early in this string, my half is in great shape it is Jas' that is in a world of hurt. He is the proud owner of a lot of grime, pitted tuners, and the space beneath the lifting bridge. Since receiving new tuners from Iffy, and tentative plans to re-bond the bridge this weekend, I think $200 for Jas will be a great return. After all, his space (beneath the bridge) will be gone, his grime will be gone, and I am willing to let him have the original tuners. Now that I think about it, maybe I should offer him $150.
Gary |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 2791
Location: Atlanta, GA. | Sounds like my last divorce decree!!! |
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