Evil Thoughts
seesquare
Posted 2012-08-03 6:15 PM (#457350)
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So, get the idea? I will keep y'all posted on my progress.

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fillhixx
Posted 2012-08-03 6:38 PM (#457353 - in reply to #457350)
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!?!?!?!?! A 12 string slide Frankenreso?
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-03 9:55 PM (#457359 - in reply to #457350)
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Close. No slide, though. And, A/E. The 'ngineering may be daunting.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-03 9:59 PM (#457360 - in reply to #457350)
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Using a 4-A Kermode "Iron Spruce" top, from up-yer-way, too. 35-to-40 lines-per-inch. Probably leave it 3/16", for added rigidity.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-06 6:51 PM (#457434 - in reply to #457360)
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Some additional photos. The stamped marking on the butchered soundboard is "NOV 28 1980"
The new top isn't perfect in the center-glued joint, but WTF; that's where the cone is going, anyway!
I reglued the serial # tag back onto the label- it's "S/N 110204"- probably matches up with the inkstamp date pretty well.




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fillhixx
Posted 2012-08-08 11:00 AM (#457500 - in reply to #457350)
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You might wanna reconsider the slide possibilities.......

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tew_fIhz3eY

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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-08 7:11 PM (#457522 - in reply to #457350)
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This thing has got a l-o-o-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-n-n-g way to go. I'm not committed to anything specific, except 12 strings & a deep bowl.
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MWoody
Posted 2012-08-08 8:06 PM (#457523 - in reply to #457350)
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Come to the Dark Side... we play resonators...

You go Sees
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-08 10:10 PM (#457526 - in reply to #457523)
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So, any thoughts? I think I've got this critter cornered!
Kinda tight around the waist, but that's the problem with a 14-fretter. It moves the bridge & saddle forward, relative to the optimal resonation location. That's probably why 12-fretters are a bit more resonant, to get the bridge into the lower-&-wider part of the soundboard.
The soundwell for the cone looks to be about 1-1/2" deep. Not my 1st time making one of those- basically, 3 rings of 1/2-inch MDF, the diameter of the cone, with a 1/2-inch bottom "shelf" to rest the cone on. It doesn't warp, and machines accurately.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-09 2:17 PM (#457545 - in reply to #457350)
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Small problem. Looks like the FET volume-only preamp will have to be relocated. Probably to the bass-side, off the neck joint area. "Gotta break some eggs", I suppose.
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MWoody
Posted 2012-08-09 10:33 PM (#457593 - in reply to #457350)
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Could you use an Oval resonator?
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-10 11:14 AM (#457611 - in reply to #457350)
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Nah, but thanks for the offer. I'm fine with relocating the electronics. I got the "parts donor" last night, and have a better idea of components placement now. Whatever hit that square-neck Rogue was pretty formidable. I was considering, albeit briefly, a restoration, but the structural damage is too extensive on the beast. I may somehow salvage the back & sides, with the soundwell intact. The neck will be sacrificed, bottomline. May be able to remove the fretboard, though.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-14 3:34 PM (#457757 - in reply to #457350)
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Looks like I don't have to move the FET to another location. Durn close, though!
And, not one to toss things out, I am doing a water immersion on the old Rogue carcass to see if it can be born again. Pardon the somewhat sacrilegous tone.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-16 5:07 PM (#457867 - in reply to #457350)
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The Rogue is in pieces. Had polyvinyl glue, so the neck popped off easily. Now, got to router-off the damaged top off the body, and decide what to do with a disassembled, square-neck, 12-fret, 1-7/8"-nut, box guitar, with a vestigal soundwell, in need of reconstruction.......
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-25 9:06 PM (#458235 - in reply to #457350)
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Progress, of sorts.......


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MWoody
Posted 2012-08-25 10:32 PM (#458236 - in reply to #457350)
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Shaping up well!
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-26 12:16 PM (#458248 - in reply to #458236)
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Thanks! It will be interesting to see if the whole thing stands up to the tension of 12 strings. Glued in the bindings this AM- basswood & mahogany.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-09-04 12:34 PM (#458692 - in reply to #458248)
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It's done. Pictures later this evening. Seems to be handling the tension, thus far. Took a stab, with the dimensional estimates from my diagram. Seems pretty close. Coulda been an engineer, instead of an over-opinionated headshrinker.
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Posted 2012-09-04 2:29 PM (#458706 - in reply to #458692)
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Oh yeah, and how the FET preamp functions, too!
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seesquare
Posted 2012-09-04 11:16 PM (#458733 - in reply to #458706)
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My hosting service is down, at present, so the photos will have to wait.
THIS CRITTER ROCKS!!!
I plugged in, and was blown away by the presence & clarity. It's got an easy action, too- 3/32" on the bass, 5/64" on the treble side.
The thinline piezo is in the spider slot, with a bone saddle, and a bone nut. Nice thing about those aluminum necks- don't hardly budge, even with 12 strings, at concert pitch.
I'm thinkin'- REZXII,"Rezzy", for resonator-twelve.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-09-05 7:51 PM (#458779 - in reply to #457350)
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/86687400@N02/7940438422/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86687400@N02/7940438572/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86687400@N02/7940433754/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86687400@N02/7940433888/
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seesquare
Posted 2012-09-05 7:53 PM (#458780 - in reply to #457350)
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Sorry about the shortcut codes. I'll figure out the url thing pretty soon. Until then..........
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seesquare
Posted 2012-09-05 8:00 PM (#458781 - in reply to #457350)
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http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8175/7940438422_b92b39f068_m.jpg
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2012-09-05 9:15 PM (#458782 - in reply to #457350)
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Let Me Help...






And that is a nifty lookin' critter.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-09-05 10:12 PM (#458783 - in reply to #458782)
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Muy Grande Cajones, TBS.
Thanks OMA, for the tech assist!
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Posted 2012-09-06 7:44 AM (#458787 - in reply to #458783)
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Made the heavyweight division, too, at 10-1/2 lbs!
Probably not goin' buskin' with this porker.
Next project (probably) is the case........with wheels..........motorized.........turbohydromatic tranny............air-shocks..........backup alarm
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TAFKAR
Posted 2012-09-06 7:49 PM (#458804 - in reply to #457350)
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That turned out really nice. Well done. Be interesting to hear how it sounds.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-09-06 10:01 PM (#458810 - in reply to #458804)
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Thanks!
If I can ever figure out how to post a sound sample, and get someone competent to play it...........it truly has a BIG voice.
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Posted 2012-12-20 12:18 AM (#463316 - in reply to #457350)
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OK, so this is what happened to the Rogue carcass. I just couldn't throw it out. So, I glued all the neck cracks back together, laboriously carved the square neck into a round one, replaced the plywood top with a cedar version, with an inlaid rosette, used an Ovation bridge & ganged-up 3 saddles to fit the hole where a wide-bottom sensor SHOULD have gone, and pasted the whole mess together.
I included the side-by-side with the REZXII, as the Rogue was the hardware donor for the 12-string project. I can imagine hearing the redone Rogue using Danny Devito's line from the movie "Twins", "You mean, I'm the crap?!"





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MWoody
Posted 2012-12-20 11:44 AM (#463336 - in reply to #457350)
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As I know we both agree that the Journey is the best part I commend you for your efforts!
Another Box/Bowl saved is a worthy prize in of itself.
The fact that it is a playable piece of craftsmanship is awesome as well.

Do you need a little piece of Koa to um... extend that Bridge a bit or is that where the Abalone goes?

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seesquare
Posted 2012-12-20 3:29 PM (#463348 - in reply to #463336)
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Hmmmm...........abalone.
Might be "gilding the lily" a bit, or perhaps putting lipstick on a pig, but whaddya got in mind, in terms of extending the bridge? Wider, or longer? I've got a couple of hand-built FET preamps, so I could make it A/E, and make some bolsters for a thinline piezo.
I'm waiting to see if the the critter handles the stress for a few months. Leveling the frets on a bar-slide instrument was some effort. A good & level fret installation was apparently not a high priority in its manufacture.
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