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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | I have all the cedar up now on the walls, and just got my Nan-Cave sign in today! It turned out Beautifully!
I have the String Swings, and just need to get them spaced and hung, then the Guitars can come out of their cases, and I can see them all everyday!!!
I'll put up some pics, the stuff crammed all over my Family Room is the stuff my Brother was just storing for a month....
It is not perfect, but I am kind of proud of it, I measured, cut and hung all the cedar boards by myself, and the guitars will keep anyone from looking at my saw cuts too closely!  . I suck at screwing things into walls so I switched to nails, like I said, not perfect, but at least I didn't give up!!
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Nice job, Nancy. It's always good to have a place for your stuff. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Wow, did you leave yourself wide open. Good thing I'm such a polite type of guy.
Very cool sign, btw.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Thank you Dan!!! 
Darkbar, you are TERRIBLE! LOL! I need to measure twice, and cut once, and recheck what I type twice!!! LOL!!! Thank you for being a such a gentleman!
I love the sign, I wanted to have the Logo put on too, but assumed it would be copyright infringement...
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I agree that Darkbar is terrible, but he used incredible restraint. I'll admit that I suck at a lot of things, like hanging doors. Nancy, maybe you can get a special exception to allow you to edit your post after the five minutes have expired. You're lucky Cliff, Jeff W. and a few others aren't on here. This would have been off topic really fast.
I really like the rustic cedar look. Apparently, natural wood isn't popular in modern house designs, even in doors and trim, but I still like the look of unpainted wood in a house. I got the Ovation emblems for my guitar room from Miles at one of our Gatherings. I thought they were from guitar cases, but they may have come from amps. They have nice little holes for screwing to the wall. It took me a couple tries to get them right, Nancy, but I figured it out. Keep practicing.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Mark in Boise - 2015-07-27 5:45 PM
I agree that Darkbar is terrible, but he used incredible restraint. I'll admit that I suck at a lot of things, like hanging doors. Nancy, maybe you can get a special exception to allow you to edit your post after the five minutes have expired. You're lucky Cliff, Jeff W. and a few others aren't on here. This would have been off topic really fast.
I really like the rustic cedar look. Apparently, natural wood isn't popular in modern house designs, even in doors and trim, but I still like the look of unpainted wood in a house. I got the Ovation emblems for my guitar room from Miles at one of our Gatherings. I thought they were from guitar cases, but they may have come from amps. They have nice little holes for screwing to the wall. It took me a couple tries to get them right, Nancy, but I figured it out. Keep practicing.
The lighted Ovation sign is definitely an infringing product that was frequently on ebay a few years ago.
I will message Mr Ovation and see if he would kindly let me change that, or if he would do it for me, it was not my intention to be crass, just under-educated in the appropriate term. And I do appreciate you guys' restraint on my faux pas. Thank You!
I like the natural wood in my house too, it was suggested to me to update it, and paint it or remove it, but I like it, so it stays! |
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Really, Really cool sign.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Yeah that was a slow pitch down the middle. You need the Herculese turnable hangers, that way you can fit in twice as much. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Ok, I have put an Alert into The Moderators to see if I can change my inappropriate wording (again, my apologies, that was not my intention).
So you guys being men, and talented handy-men at that, and so kind about sharing your knowledge and experience with me, what is the proper lingo I should have used? If you are using a hammer, you are hammering, if you use a drill, you are drilling, if you use a saw, your are sawing (using this logic, or lack thereof, you can see how I might of thought I was saying it right) What should I have said if I cannot properly affix a piece of wood to the wall using screws???
And Thank you for the kind comments on the sign, I am really pleased with the way it turned out! . It is starting to really feel like "My Place" now! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | A "man" might say I'm great at screwing and nailing things but I opted for the hot glue gun and stuck it. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | It's tough to avoid words that have double meanings. There's a lot of South Park or Bevis and Butthead potential. So, what the heck. Use a stud finder (Stanley makes a good one), but verify it by making sure it lines up with a side of an electrical outlet. The studs should be 16 inches apart, but could be 24. Make sure the boards you hang the guitars on are screwed into each stud behind it. The Swing Strings or Hercules have their own screws that can just go into the boards. You have to allow about 18 inches between hangers hanging side by side, but Beal is right. The Hercules can go about 9 inches apart.
I have 5 Hercules hangers in about a 4 foot space, but 11 guitars in an 11 foot space with 6 on the top row and 5 below that. I couldn't fit two rows on the wall if I used all Hercules hangers, but could hang all 11 guitars in one row angled sideways. Part of my decision was based on the hangers I already had. |
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Location: Colorado | Nancy: even though there are opportunities galore here...I recommend perhaps" I am not very good at turning a screw". However, it is sticky wicket however you dance around this one. Btw..the room looks nice...+1 on the Hercules hangers that will swivel...gives you loads of space options |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Leave it to a lawyer to come up with a real answer. I always used those spring clamps that open once through the wall and then never worried about where the studs were. When you did hit one you just used a real screw. Then you place these screws under where you have the Hercs. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Leave it to a lawyer to come up with a real answer. I always used those spring clamps that open once through the wall and then never worried about where the studs were. When you did hit one you just used a real screw. Then you place these screws under where you have the Hercs. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Nicely done Nancy. And just let me say.... Nah.... Nevermind... |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | cwk2 - 2015-07-27 8:37 PM
A "man" might say I'm great at screwing and nailing things but I opted for the hot glue gun and stuck it.
Ok, Got it! Thank You Beal!
I am still not good at attaching wood to the walls with screws, so I need to practice on a scrap piece! . I must be trying to go too fast, I keep destroying the tops of them. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Mark in Boise - 2015-07-27 9:03 PM
It's tough to avoid words that have double meanings. There's a lot of South Park or Bevis and Butthead potential. So, what the heck. Use a stud finder (Stanley makes a good one), but verify it by making sure it lines up with a side of an electrical outlet. The studs should be 16 inches apart, but could be 24. Make sure the boards you hang the guitars on are screwed into each stud behind it
Oh no you don't Mark, If I said I used a "stud finder" (which I did), it will leave me open to a permanent vacation, and I don't want that... . So I used one of those blinky indicators to find the main support boards behind the drywall. .
My problem is, that I destroy the tops of the screws when I try to power tool them into the wood (should be safe wording). Maybe I am trying to go to fast? Maybe I should go read the booklet, or watch YouTube videos before I ruin my beautiful boards. I can run a chain saw pretty well now, but my neighbor taught me how to use that, and I read the booklet twice!
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | patchmcg - 2015-07-27 9:10 PM
Nicely done Nancy. And just let me say.... Nah.... Nevermind...
Thank You Patch!!!
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | elginacres - 2015-07-27 9:07 PM
Nancy: even though there are opportunities galore here...I recommend perhaps" I am not very good at turning a screw". However, it is sticky wicket however you dance around this one. Btw..the room looks nice...+1 on the Hercules hangers that will swivel...gives you loads of space options
Thank You Elginacres!
I think the Hercules Hangers will be a great idea on the shorter sides around the fireplace and windows, the long wall is 32' long, and I will be able to get quite a few straight on down that wall. If I have extra space, I am going to think that I need to fill it, and that would be bad! LOL!!! |
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Location: Always beautiful canyon country of Utah | Since you are putting up the cedar boards you can simply locate one stud and then drill small (3/32) test holes at 16 inch intervals to assure there is a stud there. Put a piece of masking tape on each stud just above where the board will be. Then the board covers up your test holes and you are securely mounted in studs. As far as the screwing comments go I didn't even notice them until alerted by other members. In most of the world this would be a non issue. Someday our society will hopefully catch up!! |
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Location: Flahdaw | I'm actually mildly proud of the sense of restraint we idiot men showed here in not jumping on that innocent comment made by a LADY. If it was ME that said I suck at screwing, there would be 3 pages of smarmy comments.
Nancy, you need to relax the clutch setting on your drill if you're tearing up the heads of your screws. Find the fine line between too much give and just enough to set a screw tight. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | darkbarguitar - 2015-07-28 6:14 AM
Nancy, you need to relax the clutch setting on your drill if you're tearing up the heads of your screws. Find the fine line between too much give and just enough to set a screw tight.
And it's usually a good idea to drill a pilot as well.
Just make sure he lands the plane first.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | nerdydave - has the plan. Also a stud-finder is a useful tool except in my house all the walls are drywall over plywood. Took going through two stud-finders before I figured out why they weren't working.
Nancy - I made the edit, but honestly... It took me about 30 minutes of reading and re-reading this thread to figure out what line you wanted edited.
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Location: Jet City | Lisa was telling me how hard it was to find a stud in your house.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | mileskb - 2015-07-28 10:01 AM
Nancy - I made the edit, but honestly... It took me about 30 minutes of reading and re-reading this thread to figure out what line you wanted edited.
THANK YOU Miles!!! Maybe now my cheeks can return to their regular color!
And Guys, THANK YOU for being so kind (yes, even you Weaser, I know that must have been difficult to keep it as simple as you did!) I am not used to having to think about every single word before I talk, it is hard for me to slow down at anything. But THANK YOU for not embarrassing me off the Forum, I really enjoy you guys so much!!
I have 2 very small pieces of the cedar left 6" and about 8", and I am going to grab a bunch of screws like the String Swings have, and practice, practice, practice, so that I don't ruin those! I watched a video on using the correct bit for the screw, and I actually did have the correct bit, so it is something I am doing wrong myself.
I did learn however, how to remove a ruined screw, "5 different ways to remove" them! (there are lots of videos on how to fix your mistake, but none on how to do it right the first time...) Drilling out the center then reversing it out worked well, and once you get it about a 1/4" out, you can put your chuck over it, tighten, then reverse it the rest of the way out! The Duct Tape didn't work at all!, and neither did the rubber band... So with lots of mistakes comes lots of learning!
Thanks guys! No more powertool posts from me - I will post pictures when I get all my Babies up on the wall though! And Thank You again!!!
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Location: Flahdaw | damon67 - 2015-07-28 11:19 AM
Lisa was telling me how hard it was to find a stud in your house.
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Location: Corpus Christi, TX | Drilling a pilot hole is essential, then rub the screw on a bar of soap to lubricate the threads and you'll be amazed how easy it goes in. Keeping the power drill lined up to the screw is critical, lean in any direction will cause the bit to slip. And yes don't get in a hurry, let the tool do the work, don't force it.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | damon67 - 2015-07-28 10:19 AM
Lisa was telling me how hard it was to find a stud in your house.
Ok, now THAT was funny!!!
I understand now Beal, there are things "Men" can say, and things "Women" can say! Got it! |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | GCates - 2015-07-28 10:39 AM
Drilling a pilot hole is essential, then rub the screw on a bar of soap to lubricate the threads and you'll be amazed how easy it goes in. Keeping the power drill lined up to the screw is critical, lean in any direction will cause the bit to slip. And yes don't get in a hurry, let the tool do the work, don't force it.
Nice room and I'll bet it will be a great place to relax and play
Thank You Glen!! That is very helpful!!
This is knotty (be nice guys) cedar, and I think that is partially where I am ruining my screws, would the soap help them go through the knots better? I might have made a mistake when I bought solid brass screws too, they may be too soft to go through them? I thought that they would look better.
Because the String Swing screws are not very heavy duty, would it be best to drill a pilot hole for each hole first??
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Location: Corpus Christi, TX | Brass screws are too soft for the material you are working with. A pilot hole is a must if going through a knot and yes the soap on the threads will definitely help. If not bar soap then a little liquid dish soap will also work.
If you continue to have problems you can buy screws that use a torx (star) drive that will not slip on the proper bit.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | naellis58 - 2015-07-27 2:54 PM
Thank you Dan!!!
I love the sign, I wanted to have the Logo put on too, but assumed it would be copyright infringement...
The only time you have to worry about copyright infringement is if you're selling a copyrighted item without permission.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | naellis58 - 2015-07-28 8:47 AM
Because the String Swing screws are not very heavy duty, would it be best to drill a pilot hole for each hole first??
I usually will drill a pilot hole first. Not only does it make driving the screw in easier, but it also helps keep the wood from splitting. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | If I remember correctly, which is doubtful, the screws that came with the Swing Strings were better than the ones that came with the Hercules. Both were black, but the paint seemed to scrape off some of them. Glen is right. Brass is too soft. I have a Makita kit of drill bits that includes an attachment that will drill and countersink a hole on one side and you flip it around to a Phillips screwdriver on the other side. It works great if you are using a bunch of the same size screws. The knots are your problem. I'd try to avoid them as much as possible. The cedar outside of the knots should be soft enough to drive the screws into without a pilot hole. If you are mounting the hangers above your head it is really tough to get enough pressure on the drill and it pushes out of the head. After it bounces around a couple times it strips the head and then you have problems. Try to get up on a strong ladder or make a platform so you can get your weight behind the driver. Also make sure you are using the correct size Phillips driver. There are about 4 different sizes and when they get worn they won't let you put any torque on the screw.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | THANK You Glen, Dan and Mark!!!!
I am armed with soap, drill bits, and recharged batteries!!!
I am ready to go try it again!! I *CAN* Do This!!! (right???)
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Mark in Boise - 2015-07-28 2:30 PM
I'm sure you can do it, but when you get good at it, be careful what you say. Someone might try to hire you.
Thank You Matt B and Dave!
And Mark, generally, I guess I would rather be known for being good at something, rather than bad, but with this, I would rather it just never come up with regards to myself!
Thank you all again for being so kind, and Darkbar, I do know how hard that had to have been to show so much restraint, so Thank You!!!! . And Thank you guys for the suggestions on how to improve with my task! I like being able to do things myself, but sometimes it is really nice to have some knowledgable input, and learn how to do it correctly! |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | damon67 - 2015-07-28 8:19 AM
Lisa was telling me how hard it was to find a stud in your house.
Ouch....
But she keeps look'n so it's all good.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Nancy, You are doing just fine dear! 
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Location: south east Michigan | Woody... is that a long neck twelve about mid row, top rack? |
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Location: Jet City | Brad Durasa - 2015-07-29 9:07 AM Woody... is that a long neck twelve about mid row, top rack? I know I'm not Woody, but I know the answer cuz I foster parented it for a few years. It's a custom he had built. Bear claw top, 12 string Custom Elite LX... regular neck, but next to that 12 fretter it looks longer. 
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | MWoody - 2015-07-29 8:59 AM
Nancy, You are doing just fine dear!
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THAT is the one that I was looking for!!! Thank you SO much MWoody!!! I started out with Damon's design, but I have the wall space to do some in 2 rows, and was wondering that would look! Thank You for sharing your Gorgeous Collection!
I like the clean look of the wood against a white background, that looks Fabulous!
And Thank You!
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Location: south east Michigan | QUOTE: It's a custom he had built. Bear claw top, 12 string Custom Elite LX... regular neck, but next to that 12 fretter it looks longer. . Ahhhh.. I'm optically delusioned.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Mark in Boise - 2015-07-29 1:55 PM
Nancy, I didn't know you were doing two rows. I had some measurements somewhere from when I did my wall. I didn't have a full wall to use, but if I did, I would separate the two rows a little more, like MWoody did. I hang the 12 fretters on the bottom row and they are a little too close to avoid bumping when I lift them off the Swing Strings. I screwed up posting a picture again, but you can see some in my album. Â
HOLY BUCKETS BATMAN!!!!! GORGEOUS!!!
Thank You for sharing that!!! WOW!!!
I am assuming that the picture below is of the Hercules Hangers? I like the way they hold them sideways! Very Nice Look!
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QUOTE: It's a custom he had built. Bear claw top, 12 string Custom Elite LX... regular neck, but next to that 12 fretter it looks longer. . Ahhhh.. I'm optically delusioned. Â Â
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Yes, I used the Hercules for the electrics because I had a small space on that side of the entertainment center that would hold all my electrics with the Hercules. It seemed like a lot more space before I squeezed the "Li'l Dude" in there.If I was going to hang acoustics on the Hercules hangers like I did at the other house, I'd probably put them around 12 inches apart rather than 9.
If you haven't already figured this out, I found the best way to hang one of those long boards by myself was to put one of the middle screws through and attach it to the stud, then level it and attach the rest from the outside in.
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I still have to finish hanging the Porsche stuff on the opposite wall.
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Location: Jet City | naellis58 - 2015-07-29 1:59 PM I like the way they hold them sideways! Very Nice Look! If you're challeneged for space it's the way to go, but you seem to have lots of space. Full on frontal views show off the pretty instruments better. |
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Full on frontal views show off the pretty instruments better.
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Full on frontal views show off the pretty instruments better.
Now THAT was uncalled for...
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Location: Texas | I have limited space, so I went a different route. These hangers can be moved anywhere horizontally (then locked in place) the hangers come in different lengths and the angles both at the wall and at the headstock are completely adjustable (and also can be locked when they're where you want them.) It's held up by two large screws anchored securely into each stud to be absolutely sure it would support all of my guitars.
Other than the anchor screws, I bought everything, including the metal backplate directly from String Swing:
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Mark in Boise - 2015-07-29 4:40 PM
If you haven't already figured this out, I found the best way to hang one of those long boards by myself was to put one of the middle screws through and attach it to the stud, then level it and attach the rest from the outside in.
I wasn't quite sure how to do 18' boards, but I propped up one end with the paint roller extension rod, then went to the other end and tacked it at the mark, then put my level in the middle, and tacked up the other end, then put the nails in at the studs every 16". Maybe not the best way to do it, but it got the job done! I have also decided that I like the old electric circular saw better than the heavier battery powered one... my saw cuts are not the best - but I watched a video today about using your speed square to ensure straight cuts, and that a thinner blade makes smoother cuts. I am only about 30 years behind everyone else on learning this, but boy howdy do I like the power tools, I am getting quite a nice collection of nice DeWalts!
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | standing - 2015-07-29 6:59 PM
I have limited space, so I went a different route. These hangers can be moved anywhere horizontally (then locked in place) the hangers come in different lengths and the angles both at the wall and at the headstock are completely adjustable (and also can be locked when they're where you want them.) It's held up by two large screws anchored securely into each stud to be absolutely sure it would support all of my guitars.
Other than the anchor screws, I bought everything, including the metal backplate directly from String Swing:
That is GORGEOUS too Standing!!! I like the line up effect!!!
Thank You all for sharing your pictures and advice! I am really learning allot!
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I love you guys/girls. Just saying...
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Location: Texas | I would recommend using screws into the studs if possible, because they're less likely (than nails) to pull out under a load. (But, admittedly, I'm overly-cautious.)
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Nancy, to avoid stripping the heads on your phillips screws, the pilot holes certainly work. However, I use nothing less than number 10 Spax screws which are extra strong and made to bite into almost anything, including brick and masonry. With Spax, pilot holes are optional. With a No. 14 size Spax screw, you can also use a square drill driver, I think a No. 2 size is correct, in lieu of a phillips. This will also prevent stripping the head. This was a trick I leaned from my stepson who hangs kitchen cabinets for a living. Good luck on your room. Can't wait to see it finished, although guitar caves are lifetime works in progress.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | THANK You Professor!!!!!
Do I need a Special Bit then to install them, or use a regular PH2? I will definitely get the Spax screws!! I would feel better with screws to hold it up than the nails, I sure don't want one of those support boards coming down holding all those vintage Ovations!!
And you are right, I have plans for down the line in better lighting, comfy couch and chair, and a good size wall mounted tv so I can watch Videos and play along with too!! Lots of ideas to tweak it already!!
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Start with a #10 Spax screw, long enough to allow about an inch into the stud. A PH2 bit should work just fine. Be sure to drill a hole in the wood you are attaching to the wall as well. |
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Location: Jet City | darkbarguitar - 2015-07-30 3:42 PM House bet Nancy's about done with men's tips on how to build a guitar wall. Yes, let's move on to comfy chairs and entertainment systems. I have a couple Ekornes chairs w/ ottoman. The arms ar very low, no impeding play... 
For the TV, there's an 80" screen and HD Projector in "The Cavern" with a 200w per channel surround system. If you wanna go all out, you buy drums and bass amps and stuff like that so you can get your friends to come over and play on the weekends. Jam scheduled for Saturday, anyone near is invited. |
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Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia | naellis58 - 2015-07-28 9:10 AM
I have all the cedar up now on the walls, and just got my Nan-Cave sign in today! It turned out Beautifully!
I have the String Swings, and just need to get them spaced and hung, then the Guitars can come out of their cases, and I can see them all everyday!!!
I'll put up some pics, the stuff crammed all over my Family Room is the stuff my Brother was just storing for a month....
It is not perfect, but I am kind of proud of it, I measured, cut and hung all the cedar boards by myself, and the guitars will keep anyone from looking at my saw cuts too closely! . I suck at screwing things into walls so I switched to nails, like I said, not perfect, but at least I didn't give up!!
Very, Very, Very nice indeed! Well done Nan!
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I was lucky to have my favorite Lazy Boy from the basement and added the leather Lazy Boy and couch from the family room in our other house. The best find was the $75 Craigslist entertainment center. It holds the tv and stereo from the old family room and all the albums and instructional dvds. I have to share with my wife who has a little craft desk in the corner and her exercise videos. I also have an adjoining bathroom, which is a necessity for a man cave. The only thing missing from the old man cave is a storeroom for guitar cases and a shop.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Damon, that chair is Fantastic!!!
Thank You Banjo!! This really is a wonderful learning experience, and I still have all 10 fingers, with no holes in them (yet!), so things are looking up!
Mark - can you please tell me what spacing you used on your String Swing - Center to Center? Thank You!!!
I am lucky too, I have a rocker/recliner down there, and there is a full bathroom and spare bedroom. My Tool room will be perfect for storing the cases (I am thinking of getting those nice shelving units to put them in. Then the only thing I will need to get is a small dorm fridge for my Mt Dew! I want to do a wall mounted TV for watching YouTube for lessons, and play along. And there is a wonderful fireplace down there for during the winter months.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | All this is terribly interesting in an "Ask This Old House" sorta way...
But I wanna see photos of the Nan-Cave with Guitars hangin'.
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Location: Flahdaw | Nancy...in the event you need any painting done (guitars for example, preferably red) OMA is your man. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Nancy, you might want to check a thread I started last October called "guitar room". I put my guitars 2 feet apart, but Damon put his a bit closer. There a more measurements and pictures in that thread, with the usual assortment of wise cracks. |
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Location: Jet City | mine are 22.5" apart
floor to the center of the string swing yoke: bottom row is 55", top is 74"
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Location: south east Michigan | Discussions on advantages of black oxide vs, zinc coated screws?
24 inches vs 22.5 inches? A challenge to both tradition and the industry standard!
Come on guys... you have to admit this is one of the nerdiest threads we've had in quite a while.
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And I've read every post.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Brad Durasa - 2015-08-01 6:26 AM
Discussions on advantages of black oxide vs, zinc coated screws?
24 inches vs 22.5 inches? A challenge to both tradition and the industry standard!
Come on guys... you have to admit this is one of the nerdiest threads we've had in quite a while.
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And I've read every post.
LOL!!! I can cross being called a "Nerd" off my bucket list now! LOL!!
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Very nice! I love the cedar. I don't think this thread is nearly as nerdy as the one about the Balladeer rebuild. Dan knows glues, tapered soundboards and gives measurements in millimeters and thousandths of inches. That's a guitar nerd. Although I doubt I'd ever tackle that sort of project, I enjoy every one of his posts.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Mark in Boise - 2015-08-01 3:08 PM
Very nice! I love the cedar. I don't think this thread is nearly as nerdy as the one about the Balladeer rebuild. Dan knows glues, tapered soundboards and gives measurements in millimeters and thousandths of inches. That's a guitar nerd. Although I doubt I'd ever tackle that sort of project, I enjoy every one of his posts.
I LOVE Dan's Journals on Guitar Repair and Remakes!!! I read them over and over, even if I never do a rebuild, I love seeing how it's done, and the pictures and text are WONDERFUL!!!! He would be a Great Teacher!!!
Okay, I have half of the Cave done, with the Guitars up, I ran out of String Swings, so I need to get a bunch more, but for now, everything that I had a hanger for is up!
I want to THANK YOU all for the help, I did what you suggested, and drilled the pilot holes, had trouble again putting the screws in, so I stomped upstairs, got a screw driver and put them in by hand! Worked perfectly!!!
But Thanks to you all, everything is perfectly spaced at 22.5", and I was able to get the string swings attached very securely!!! Thank You so much for all of your help and suggestions!!!! Like MWoody said, "I Love you guys!"
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And you've been collecting Os for HOW long? |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Thank You for the kind words! I couldn't have done it without your help!!
I really like it down there now, and once my Brother removes his stuff out, I can set up the rest of it the way I want!
But at least my Babies are out of their cases, and I can enjoy and play them whenever I want!!
I just ordered a little tiny Cube amp too (Red, of course), so it looks like I am going to "Plug In" now too!!! LOL!!!! Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks! LOL!!!
Thank You again Guys, your help and patience has been invaluable to me!!
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Location: USA/Maryland | Wow! I can't believe I haven't looked at this thread until this morning. You did a really nice job on that room.
Such a great collection there. So many full bodied O's.... non-cutaways, my absolute favorites. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | I am hoping it is good Beal - One of the people I bought a guitar from told me that he uses it allot, and really likes it. Since it will be the first time I will ever have used an amp, I don't need a really fancy, or expensive one, but this one sounds like a good one to start with, and it comes with all the accessories I need to start out, so it seems like a good buy, and the video looked pretty good!
I would appreciate your thoughts on it, good or bad.
http://www.kraftmusic.com/roland-micro-cube-gx-battery-powered-guit...
Thank You Jeff!
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | cwk2 - 2015-08-02 10:56 AM
Is it Roland? Only played one electrically, it was ok. Acoustic and electric amps are different animals
Yes, a Roland. I had no idea that there were different ones for electric and acoustic.
Maybe I will have to break down and get a vintage O Electric! .
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Location: 6 String Ranch | UK2 and don't bother with the rest. A little Trace Acoustc, or some sort of Fishman or a mini pa for guitar and vocals. Genz Benz Shenandoah or a compact 300 or the single unit 180.
Someone else might have a different opinion, feel free to offer it..........
I don't plug in at home much, just at open mics and there the systems vary all over the place. It's a question of how to make yourself sound good in that environment and make the audience happy.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Very nice, Nancy. Now you have a lot of in-between open space just waiting for signs, banners, vintage guitar memorabilia, and most important of all, neon! |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | boltonb - 2015-08-02 11:55 AM
Very nice, Nancy. Now you have a lot of in-between open space just waiting for signs, banners, vintage guitar memorabilia, and most important of all, neon!
Thanks Professor! And Thank you for your help!!
I am starting to get the Ovation ads now, then I can frame them and put them down there too!
I will keep an eye out for one of those neon Ovation signs, they must pop up every once in a while!
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I have not tried the MicroCube GX, but I do use the older MicroCube.
Supposedly the GX has a bit more power and the amp simulations are a little different.
All that said, I run acoustic guitars through my "mic" channel with a little reverb.
Also the "Classic Stack" or the "Brit Combo" will work without any gain, or very little gain.
Outside I generally use the bigger CubeStreet cuz it is larger and I can stand it on end and sit on it.
But I often take the MicroCube out cuz it is small and effective.
Use that "mic" channel and think of it as a "force multiplier" for your acoustic.
All that is because of the batteries... I am sure that it will be good indoors too.
Like I have said, I don't own and have never played a GX so the settings may be a little different.
So later you could give it a review in another thread.
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Location: Jet City | Roland makes great acoustic amps, but that's not an acoustic amp. It'll make you louder, it just won't sound as nice as what an amp designed for an acoustic will.
The Roland AC60 is an example of a small and great sounding acoustic amp. It doesn't run on batteries, but unless you decide to sit on a corner like Arthur, I'm not sure why that's a needed feature.
I have a Cube too. It's an awesome little thing to plug an electric into, especially if you're wanting to jam outside or even in with a couple acoustic playing friends.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | SOBeach - 2015-08-02 2:18 PM
Wow, the "Nan-Cave" is lookin' pretty "O"some!
LOL!!!!! Thank you SOBeach - it for O-vations O-nly! LOL!!! |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | damon67 - 2015-08-02 3:33 PM
Roland makes great acoustic amps, but that's not an acoustic amp. It'll make you louder, it just won't sound as nice as what an amp designed for an acoustic will.
CRUD! From now on, before I buy anything, even something recommended to me, I am asking you guys first!
And WHY don't they say "Electric" Guitar on them, for those of us who are technology-challenged???
Oh well, if it is loud, I am going to blast the Deliverance Theme off the deck and scare my neighbor, Crusty! He is scared to death of me, can you imagine????
Thanks Arthur, Damon and Darkbar for the advice - I will keep those names for later!
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Location: Jet City | Looks like Roland makes an AC33 now that'll run on batteries. I might need to have a look at that one. http://www.rolandus.com/products/ac-33/ BTW, I'll add to the rest, the place looks awesome.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Thank You Damon, for both the link on the acoustic amp, and the kind words on my Cave.
I would have never attempted it, if I had not seen how neat yours was, and you sharing your pictures and measurements!! And you guys patience in helping me!
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Location: Wayne, NJ | naellis58 - 2015-08-02 12:35 PM cwk2 - 2015-08-02 10:56 AM Is it Roland? Only played one electrically, it was ok. Acoustic and electric amps are different animals Yes, a Roland. I had no idea that there were different ones for electric and acoustic. Maybe I will have to break down and get a vintage O Electric! . But before I do, I will ask you guys which one I should get!! I can chime in here on my opinion on acoustic amps. First of all Nancy - great job on the room and collection - very impressive! Now about the acoustic amps. I've found thast O's sound pretty good through electric amps compared to woody's, but over time, an amp made for acoustic guitars is probably something you would learn to appreciate. I'm probably going to get some flack for this but here goes. I went to GC and tried their selection of acoustic amps: Marshall, Fender, Fishman, & Acoustic (that's the brand - it's a GC house brand, sold exclusively by them and MF. whether they own it, I don't know). I also tried an AER at a different shop. The AER sounds really good but it's about $1200.00, which is too much.Next in sound is the Marshall - whsch sounds REALLY good but is $399.00 for the 40W if you have the extra cash. The next in quality in these ears, believe it or not was the Acoustic A40. You can get it on sale for $260.00 and it sounds really crisp and not too clean. The Fishman sounds very clean, too clean, antiseptic even. I didn't like it all. The Fender just doesn't have the same clarity as the Acoustic. The Acoustic has a whole bunch of effects, but IMO they go to waste because they don't offer a pedal - duh! I never tried the Genz Benz. One of these days. As always - YMMV. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | DanSavage - 2015-08-03 1:49 PM
I'm also glad you're enjoying my geeking-out on the rebuild threads.
Thank You Dan! I LOVE your threads, I am learning so much!! And you always use terminology that is understandable, techy, but not so much that you have to call "Dial a Physicist" to know what you are talking about!!! |
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Location: Taxed To Death State | Looks great Nancy. Awesome collection. I've seen a few of those at the spa, they looked beautiful in person. Someday I'll have a music room as well. Just gotta wait 10 more years till the kids go off to college! |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | Thank You Danomyte!
I am really fortunate in that I have the entire downstairs to use, and it is set up just like the upstairs (except for the vaulted ceiling, of course! LOL!!)
It has sat empty for 3 years now, until I started hanging around with you guys. It is nice using the entire house now, and heck, I am paying for it, might as well use it!
I did get the Cube already (FAST shipping!) Read the handy-dandy instruction book, and plugged it in to try it! It is Cool! It has some really cool effects, and it is weird hearing yourself come back into your own face! LOL!!! It will probably be the only one I ever get, I don't do gigs like you guys do, but it is fun to play around with, and now I know what they sound like, and a bit of what they can do!! |
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