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Location: South of most, North of few | On my 06 KOA, the high E string sounds a bit muted when played open. When played in any position on the fret board, it sounds a lot livelier. Could this be something with the nut or the cut in the nut? I've tried different gauge strings, but the same effect. I was thinking maybe the nut grove is higher on the tuner side making the rest of the grove mute the string. Do I send it back, or is this an easy fix? |
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Location: Stow, Ohio | That could be one possibility.
Does it have 5the same effect with a higher gauge string? also check and see if the string isn't just barely buzzing the first fret. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Same effect with 010 and 012. No buzz that I can detect. It really sounds like when I wipe the fretboard after playing, and a little fuzz ends up on the string from the rag which I've had happen before. |
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Location: Scotland | Here's a quick way to find out if it's the nut. Take the string out of the nut-slot and place it between the 1st and 2nd string slots, resting on the top of the nut. Bring it up to pitch and if the tone improves you need to recut the nut-slot. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Thanks Paul, I tried that too and it seems the same. I just took the strings off and added a shim under the saddle, no difference. Man, I have no clue as to what is causing this. Like I said, if you fret it anywhere on the board, it sounds fine. Just open it sounds dead which would indicate to me it has something to do with the nut. I took a dentist pick and cleaned out the groove (looks like there was some rough area in there) and, to quote Bob Seger, it's "still the same". :confused: |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | Look to see if there's a gap between the nut and the peghead. Maybe that side of the nut is not flush with the neck. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I always found that was caused by a but cut on the nut slot. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | but cut?? splain please... |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Bad cut! As in what the local Wal-Mart Beautician did to my wife's hair a week ago...ever seen an angry Russian woman? Not Pretty! And, sounds like your nut cut isn't either! (is it just me or do we need a PG rating now...lol) :eek:
BTW TJ, try just a bit of graphite (pencil lead will do)
Blessings... |
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Location: N.J. | I had something similiar with my Adamas 12 awhile back. Both open E's sounded dead but fretting anything else sounded fine. Turns out the saddle on the bridge was crushed underneath so I changed out the bridge piece and made a huge improvement. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | My B string is the same on my Legend. I had the nut worked on and it seems a little better but still sounds a bit dead when played open. I'm anxious to hear what you find. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | None of my Celebrity's have this problem :p
[Sorry, I couldn't resist... forgive me :rolleyes: ] |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | BAD cut. Comes from not having enough break-angle. The old 14* pegheads rearely had this.
There is probably a high spot in the trench of the slot somewhere. You want the high spot to be at the back edge next to the fretboard. |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | I have found that on numerous guitars I have had come through here. I take them to my tech, who makes a bit of paste from bone dust and epoxy and puts a tiny bit in the nut slot to build it up. It dries fast and can easily be correctly filed. That has always solved the problem. This doesn't mean it's the problem with yours, because Temp's diagnostic test should have revealed it. (It's easier than replacing the nut.) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I have adopted the leetle tube of Porcelain Repair mixed with the abrasive dust of whatever nut is under repair. For the Black Tusq I use superglue. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I put an email in to JB as this is under warranty and I don't want to start messing with the nut. I'll see what he says. |
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Location: Scotland | Jim, basic set-up work like this is worth learning how to do yourself. Before you get into warranties and shipping your guitar ask John to send you a couple of nuts. Then you can try recutting the slot yourself. That way if you screw-up at least you have a replacement. A cheap X-Acto razor saw with the tooth-set flattened will do a decent job of cutting a slot for an unwound string. |
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| sounds like bad nut either way... Filed to hard headstock or to hard fb.. Also a bad string maybe.. I hate it when production bends strings!!!!!!!!! But that usually buzzes all the way up.. |
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Yet another question for the experts.