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| Ok, this is a tough one...
Any idea how to remove cyanoacrilate based adhesive from the top surface of a guitar without removing the black varnish underneath as well?
I think acetone would dissolve the so-called "super glue", but did anybody used it succesfully on the black varnish? |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | What is the paint / varnish underneath the glue? IE, is it lacquer? enamel with an overcoat? I think this has been discussed here before. Have you done a search? |
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| I wouldn't know for sure... I think it's lacquer, or whatever they use for black standard balladeers...
If I "over posted" I am sorry, but I didn't find anything initially. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Isn't there a "cya" remover. I think I saw a post on it, and it supposedly doesn't hurt the lacquer. I'm sure someone will come along soon with the solution. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | have you tried with gasoline? |
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| Nope, but I will try get some :)
As for cya remover, any idea what is that? |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | i've been always using gasoline for lighters to remove any glue signs or just to clean surface from chemicals.
i don't think it will react with paint or anything. i'd give it a try. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Check the Stewmac.com site and they can answer ALL of your questions!
CYA remover put on a cloth and dabbed or lightly used should remove the Cya-glue residue and not the Poly finish. Hopefully the paint (Black) is under the Poly. If not, it makes things more difficult.
Butane (lighter fluid) and Naptha are oil based and will remove Shellac, Varnish and oil based finishes. They are inert to Poly and Lacquer.
Denatured Alcohol is inert to Poly and dissolves some oils. It will lift many adhesives and can leach out most stains.
Always verify advice that is given (I was wrong once) and NEVER TRUST AN INTERNET EXPERT!
M(send your mistakes to my house)Woody |
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| Thanks all for your input.
I guess the final question is what type of finish is used for Standard Balladeer (1861, black). This would determine what I can use safely ... but I couldn't find this info on the website. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I think that all Ovations were done with a polymer finish. It used to be very thick, but has been thinner in recent years. |
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Location: Lebanon, TN | I used Stewmac's CYA remover with cotton earbuds to gently remove some superglue residue that had oozed when I tried to repair some lifting wooden epaulet's on my W597 Adamas.
It worked beautifully and the underlying finish is intact. Advice I would give is use lots of fresh cottonbuds as the CYA and remover combination will just rub around the top and reset if you dont keep using fresh to lift it off the surface. Takes patience, but works beautifully. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Someone posted an article here sometime ago about how to make a scraper out of a razor blade to remove the majority of CYA glue before using the CYA remover. That would cut down on the amount of CYA remover necessary and cut down the chances of any damage resulting from its use.
The scraper consisted of a razor blade that had had its edge bent slightly sideways by scraping it along the shaft of a screwdriver along the entire length of the edge of the blade. Then some adhesive tape applied over the edge except in one small area big enough to scrap the glue. The tape provides clearance and slides easily across the good portion of the finish of the guitar without damage and the small area with no tape then can scrape the glue away and not contact the top of the guitar.
I've used this method and it works very well, leaving only a small amount of excess glue remaining which can be removed by CYA remover or light sanding with 1500 grit and repolishing. |
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Location: Central Oregon | Originally posted by searchingforovation:
Nope, but I will try get some :)
As for cya remover, any idea what is that? It's actually called CyA de-bonder. You can get it at any hobby shop that sells model airplanes. I would try a little in a spot that doesn't show too much before I put it on the top. Don't try acetone, it will dissolve the finish for sure! |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | Originally posted by MWoody:
Check the Stewmac.com site and they can answer ALL of your questions!
CYA remover put on a cloth and dabbed or lightly used should remove the Cya-glue residue and not the Poly finish. Hopefully the paint (Black) is under the Poly. If not, it makes things more difficult.
Butane (lighter fluid) and Naptha are oil based and will remove Shellac, Varnish and oil based finishes. They are inert to Poly and Lacquer.
Denatured Alcohol is inert to Poly and dissolves some oils. It will lift many adhesives and can leach out most stains.
Always verify advice that is given (I was wrong once) and NEVER TRUST AN INTERNET EXPERT!
M(send your mistakes to my house)Woody I haven't hear about any cya remover in polish.
i've removed cya glue with lighter gasoline and it din't affect finish on my celeb.
but if it could damage someone's guitar - i'm sorry for a bad tip. |
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Location: NJ | Lighter fluid is basically bezine, which is the key component of rubber cement thinnner/solvent. Don't know if it works on CYA . . . |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | cya (super glue in this case) became more "soft" and i could quite easily get rid of it.
i didn't use lighter fluid exactly. i just can't find appropriate word in a dictionary.
translating it directly it'd be a "extraction benzine" but i don't know if this is the combination of words used in english. |
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| Alright, the only thing I could find in the local stores today was nail polish removal (which as far as I know contains acetone but diluted in smth else).
It seems they don't ship any of the formulations you suggested overseas due to US air transport regulations (flammable liquids).
It worked pretty decently without affecting the wood/polish.
Once again, thank you! |
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Repair/maintenance - problem with glue removal