Balladeer top crack??
PEZ
Posted 2007-05-25 1:01 AM (#98647)
Subject: Balladeer top crack??



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Any idea how much and how hard to fix??
The guitars only $160
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-05-25 2:39 AM (#98648 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??



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Originally posted by PEZ:
Any idea how much and how hard to fix??
The guitars only $160
Mmmm, probably alot.
Arthur's advice? If the crack isn't too bad, keep the $160 guitar for beach/campfire/loaner...
Buy another Balladeer!

Later, if you get ambitious, try crazy-glue from the inside of bowl.
If the crack doesn't go all the way through, ignore it.

Others may have better advice, but that's what I would do.
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slydog
Posted 2007-05-25 7:08 AM (#98649 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??


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My Legend was just over $600.00 for a complete rebuild.......... slydog
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Jewel's Mom a/k/a Joisey Goil #1
Posted 2007-05-25 8:53 AM (#98650 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??


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My sweet ol' lady has a "sound vent" ;) that runs from the bridge to the purfling just left of center; when I sent her back to the "Emerald City" to be worked on, I think it was about $150 to have her refurbished. (I also had the Adamas pre-amp put in, so the total was more.) It was probably about four years ago, now, that she went to the spa; the split is stable and certainly hasn't affected her sound, intonation, or playability. And when she came home, she looked like a brand-new guitar, and you really had to look to see the crack. They do incredible work in the Mothership's "hospital."

--Karen
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2007-05-25 10:08 AM (#98651 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??



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Is the top actually cracked, or just the finish? There are other variables to consider, such as which model Balladeer, electronics, fret condition, etc.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-05-25 10:17 AM (#98652 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??


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My sentiments exactly: I just had my snakeskin TS-01 T-Bolt repaired at the Mothership and it is the one that I played at the Ski Lodge; it had quite a few issues including top cracks that were expertly repaired; can barely be seen and the sound is fantastic! It looks like a new guitar! If the guitar is something special to you, spend the money and get it repaired: or if it doesn't bother you, just enjoy it as is. BTW, Karen, I truly enjoyed the songs you did at the lodge; and seeing the affection you have for you "baby" is so wonderful. Great to meet you and hope to again soon!
Blessings...
Mike
MusicMishka"
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PEZ
Posted 2007-05-25 2:37 PM (#98653 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??



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Its something I stumbled upon so its buy or not buy.

You T-bolt is gorgous It looks soo soo Kool.

I'm waiting for jpegs as to how bad the crack is.
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PEZ
Posted 2007-05-26 6:53 PM (#98654 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??



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I just got jpegs.
It looks pretty bad.
It also looks there was an amature attempt at a repair. No pick up in it. Model 1117-4
I'm thinking early 1970's
It maybe be a Legend not Balladeer.

I do not know how to up load picts
email me at
pezcleo@ntplx.net
if you wanna see it.
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runingwolf1
Posted 2007-05-26 10:23 PM (#98655 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??


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Use Elmer’s wood glue, Fill in the crack then push the crack closed then wipe off excess with damp cloth then put saran wrap over the crack and place books or other object to hold it closed. Excess glue will wipe off with a wet rag when dried
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-05-26 10:38 PM (#98656 - in reply to #98647)
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or just send it back to the factory and get it done right.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-05-26 10:42 PM (#98657 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??



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Welcome Running Wolf--
So does that really work? I just got a 1112 (custom Balladeer) with a nasty crack. I reached inside, and there are still one or two cellulose molecules touching each other in there, so a breeze doesn't come through.
The poor thing does sound nice, so I was hesitant to use crazy glue.
So use Elmer's Wood Glue, not the white stuff?

We all love Luthiery Adventures :rolleyes:
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runingwolf1
Posted 2007-05-27 9:50 PM (#98658 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??


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Yes it works. That is what an area luthier told me to do. The guitar still sounds great. The glue is water-soluble. I make bamboo fly rods from scratch and use Gorilla Glue or Tite bond as they are water proof. With the Elmer’s any that sips out is easy to clean off. I thought Elmer’s wood glue was white
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-05-27 10:35 PM (#98659 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??



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Perfect timing RW1... I just got the glue. And yes, it dries vanilla-pudding-off-white. I test-dried some of it.
So, tonight I will use it. I'm gonna try to keep it in the crack and outta sight, but I'm sure that I will have to do some creative staining. It's a Burst!!
(Multi-color pack of Sharpie Markers?)
Like I said, the crack doesn't go clear through, so I just wanna stabilize it.
Even with all the wear and tear, this thing sound amazingly nice....
Without any electronic Tom-Foolery.
So I am gonna work slowly, don't wanna mess-up a good thing.

Oh! I'll take any advice on staining the glue too :p
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Randy22
Posted 2007-05-27 11:10 PM (#98660 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??


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PEZ, is that the Musicgoround in Wilke-Barre, PA? That one's been tempting me for months (but I've been buying Artist bowl models instead). They call it a Balladeer, but the model number is a Legend.
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runingwolf1
Posted 2007-05-28 12:02 AM (#98661 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??


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I may have used plain Elmer’s. Which ever one is water soluble. It has been 20+ years since I did the repair and it is still holding up fine
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PEZ
Posted 2007-05-28 10:23 AM (#98662 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??



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Yup thats were it is alright.
I'll think I'm pass on it.
No pickup kinda kills it for me.
I did send jpegs over to Kim and I'll post what he says it will cost to fix it.
It likily predates the legend name.
It likily a Custom Balldeer.
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PEZ
Posted 2007-05-31 2:51 PM (#98663 - in reply to #98647)
Subject: Re: Balladeer top crack??



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Its not going to be cheap to properly fix it.
So I'm taking a pass on it.

If anyone else interested
http://www.musicgoround.com/gear/default.asp
keyword search Ovation.

If you want to see the pictures of the crack.
email me at
pezcleo@ntplx.net
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