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Losov
Posted 2008-12-12 5:34 PM (#7010)
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- that pop singers, no matter what their stature or success, should NOT attempt Christmas songs for which they do not have the vocal chops?

I mean, I was just in a store that was piping in Christmas music. Some guy with the vocal prowess of a Tom Waits was struggling through "O Holy Night." It was painful for both of us.

So, can we have a law or something to that effect? I mean, nobody does "Start Me Up" like Mick, but I don't want to hear him sing "Silent Night." OK?
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-12 5:52 PM (#7011 - in reply to #7010)
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since my voice sounds like tom waits

hell NO
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stonebobbo
Posted 2008-12-12 6:14 PM (#7012 - in reply to #7010)
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Go ahead. Criminalize my voice. That won't stop me. Some folks appreciate the fact that my raspy, off-key, poorly phrased vocals drown out my guitar playing.
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Shadley
Posted 2008-12-12 6:19 PM (#7013 - in reply to #7010)
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i attribute my raspy voice to the nice smooth flavor of Camel Trukish Royal cigarettes.... ah.... refreshing.... but i try to drown out the vocals with music...
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Capo Guy
Posted 2008-12-12 7:25 PM (#7014 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by alpep:
since my voice sounds like tom waits

hell NO
+1 :D
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-12-12 7:40 PM (#7015 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Go ahead. Criminalize my voice. That won't stop me. Some folks appreciate the fact that my raspy, off-key, poorly phrased vocals drown out my guitar playing.
Uh huh.....
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Beal
Posted 2008-12-12 7:52 PM (#7016 - in reply to #7010)
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just shoot them all.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-12 8:16 PM (#7017 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Go ahead. Criminalize my voice. That won't stop me. Some folks appreciate the fact that my raspy, off-key, poorly phrased vocals drown out my guitar playing.
I thought your singing on "Carmelo" was incredible!
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Damon67
Posted 2008-12-12 8:18 PM (#7018 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Go ahead. Criminalize my voice. That won't stop me. Some folks appreciate the fact that my raspy, off-key, poorly phrased vocals drown out my guitar playing.
I thought your singing on "Carmelo" was incredible!
:D
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-12 8:40 PM (#7019 - in reply to #7010)
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my nephew asked me once about my singing. I said it was due to whiskey and cigarettes.
he said but uncle al you don't smoke
I replied that I made up for it with whiskey
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-12 9:32 PM (#7020 - in reply to #7010)
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I'm going out on a ledge here but, I like Al's voice.... He's no Tom Waits (what was he thinking?) but, his engagement and delivery sell it.

It's a genre in itself and I'm a fan of "untraditional" voices. From John Lee Hooker to Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, Mark Knopfler, Michael Stripe and let us not forget Lou... and hell, Louie Armstrong for that matter.
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cliff
Posted 2008-12-13 12:08 AM (#7021 - in reply to #7010)
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Someday, Al & I are gonna' do a CD of "Duets" . . .

There's an old addage amongst car salesmen to the effect that there's "an ass for every seat".

The same can be applied that there's "a song for every voice".

It's the "marrying-up" of the two that's hard (and the most fun).

Unfortunately, sometimes the errant "dates" get committed to tape . . .
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-13 12:36 AM (#7022 - in reply to #7010)
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. . . "To All The Girls I Loved Before" . . .
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-13 9:21 AM (#7023 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by Jeff W.:
I'm going out on a ledge here but, I like Al's voice.... He's no Tom Waits (what was he thinking?) but, his engagement and delivery sell it.

It's a genre in itself and I'm a fan of "untraditional" voices. From John Lee Hooker to Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, Mark Knopfler, Michael Stripe and let us not forget Lou... and hell, Louie Armstrong for that matter.
great my only fan and it's a dude......

God is one mean bastard
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-13 9:27 AM (#7024 - in reply to #7010)
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I'll show you my tits.
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wilblee
Posted 2008-12-13 10:22 AM (#7025 - in reply to #7010)
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But, He's not as mean, apparently, as Jeff.
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Losov
Posted 2008-12-13 11:29 AM (#7026 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by cliff:


The same can be applied that there's "a song for every voice".

Unfortunately, sometimes the errant "dates" get committed to tape . . .
Yeah, like this one for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12qBoy2rhVw&feature=related
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-12-13 11:37 AM (#7027 - in reply to #7010)
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I had never heard of Tom Waits before. I was just fine without that knowledge. He's worse than Dylan.
I'm afraid to look up Michael Stripe. You slandered Knopfler and Armstrong by putting them in the same list with Waits, Jeff.
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Weaser P
Posted 2008-12-13 11:47 AM (#7028 - in reply to #7010)
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Michael Stipe is the singer for REM. If you own a radio, you've heard him.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-13 12:11 PM (#7029 - in reply to #7010)
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Mark, as you're an Attorney , I'd like to retain you...

... to tell you that, you are a douchebag.
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-13 12:24 PM (#7030 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by Jeff W.:
I'll show you my tits.
only if it will stop the rain
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-13 12:27 PM (#7031 - in reply to #7010)
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Later tonight , Al
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-12-13 12:29 PM (#7032 - in reply to #7010)
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Jeff, if you pay my retainer you can call me whatever you want.
I thought REM stood for Rapid Eye Movement. I think I've heard of the band, though. Off I go to YouTube to see if he's as bad as those other guys Jeff likes.
I think Knopfler is great, by the way. His voice is different, but he can carry a tune.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-13 12:37 PM (#7033 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by Weaser P:
Michael Stipe is the singer for REM.
Yep. That'd be "STIPE"

(why the hell am I keeping an attorney on retainer?)
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-12-13 12:57 PM (#7034 - in reply to #7010)
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Oh, that one. Yes, I have heard him and of R.E.M. One of the problems with searching on computers is you have to be able to spell. I don't think Stipe should be in the same category with Waits, either.
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Losov
Posted 2008-12-13 12:59 PM (#7035 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Originally posted by Weaser P:
[qb]

(why the hell am I keeping an attorney on retainer?)
In case anyone ever accuses you of sounding like Waits, you'll be primed and ready to sue his ass off.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-12-13 1:41 PM (#7036 - in reply to #7010)
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Unless he's the attorney that Jeff has on retainer. I'll accept a fly fishing lesson as a retainer, Jeff, but you have to come out here to deliver it.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-13 2:04 PM (#7037 - in reply to #7010)
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That is not an unreasonable offer.


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Posted 2008-12-15 7:14 AM (#7039 - in reply to #7010)
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Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Go ahead. Criminalize my voice. That won't stop me. Some folks appreciate the fact that my raspy, off-key, poorly phrased vocals drown out my guitar playing.
Your name isn't Dylan or Zimmerman by any chance, is it?
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