C.S.N. VRS . JEFFERSON AIRPLANE WHICH VERSION DO YOU LIKE BEST???
guitarwannabee
Posted 2008-12-10 7:26 PM (#7488)
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Interesting when you research the song Wooden Ships on who got credit for the songwriting of it.Kantner was not listed because of legal issues?
I think that both versions are done incredibly well but I have to give into the Rock version by Jefferson Airplane as my favorite.The ripping lead guitar on their version wins my vote.
Which one do you prefer.GWB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIccZsURyLc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q3j-i7GLr0
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wilblee
Posted 2008-12-10 7:42 PM (#7489 - in reply to #7488)
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I have had both these versions in my library since they came out and have loved them both, but I prefer the feel and the execution of the CSN version. The blend of the voices and the cool organ work, plus the lead guitars trading back and forth make this the go-to version for me.
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Damon67
Posted 2008-12-10 8:07 PM (#7490 - in reply to #7488)
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Even though I'm a Bay Area raised dude, I'll go with CSN.

Besides, I disowned Jefferson (Insert vehicle here) after they released "We Built This City" which is in my mind, and I've said it here before, THE WORST rock and roll tune ever.

It actually bothers me that I use the same amp as Craig Chaquito Bananas did on that song.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-12-10 8:34 PM (#7491 - in reply to #7488)
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CSN by a country mile.
No contest.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2008-12-10 8:34 PM (#7492 - in reply to #7488)
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Yeah, I gotta go with CSN...
The Airplane was more fun on stage (in the day) but CSN did a cleaner version.

And Damon, I do not believe that the Jefferson Airplane and the Starship (No Jefferson) are the same animal.

Now, if you run into the KBC Band, Kantner, Balin & Cassidy... They are worth a listen.
(If the old farts are still touring)
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-12-10 8:58 PM (#7493 - in reply to #7488)
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Originally posted by Slipkid:
CSN by a country mile.
No contest.
Ditto!
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soundchaser59
Posted 2008-12-10 9:08 PM (#7494 - in reply to #7488)
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I didnt' know that about "Starship". When I saw them (1978 maybe) they were called Jefferson Starship (that is what the concert tickets said) and they still had Balin, Kantner, and Slick together on stage. It was great because it was only the second show of the tour and they played for 3 hours, every song from 3 or 4 albums, old and new. But, obviously, that was well before the release of "Built This City"......

I have to vote for the CSN version, but live in concert I was not disappointed to hear Starship play the song. Just a few months later I saw CSN live, which included the same song. I didn't like it as much as the record because they did it "unplugged". Great vocals, though.
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guitarwannabee
Posted 2008-12-10 10:23 PM (#7495 - in reply to #7488)
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Soundchaser59,I see that you only have 3 posts in two years thats amazing :confused: , you must have a real life :cool: ,not like the rest of us on the OFC. :D
Please drop in on us once in a while. :p GWB
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cliff
Posted 2008-12-10 11:05 PM (#7496 - in reply to #7488)
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CSN.

But I also like the live version that opens "Stephen Stills Live"(1974).
In-Your-Face Hammond B-3 and some kick-ass solos on a Gibson Firebird . . .
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-11 12:05 AM (#7497 - in reply to #7488)
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airplane

you can't beat marty and grace's voices together
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2008-12-11 7:37 AM (#7498 - in reply to #7488)
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csn.
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Dale Lutes
Posted 2008-12-11 2:32 PM (#7499 - in reply to #7488)
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I like both, but if forced to choose I'll take the CSN version.

Gotta agree with alpep's comment on Marty & Grace's voices. I wanna Ride the Tiger!
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Tommy M.
Posted 2008-12-11 4:07 PM (#7500 - in reply to #7488)
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Although there are some things worth listening to by the Airplane, I felt that they were a sloppy band on stage. Also Jorma and Jack Cassidy were miss-casted in that band. They took off with Hot Tuna. "We built this city" silly crap. That ruined it for me. CSNY gets my vote.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-12-11 4:19 PM (#7501 - in reply to #7488)
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I always thought that although she had the cute hippie-chick thing going, Grace Slick had at best an average karioke voice. I think she gets a pass because she was one of the "pioneer" women of rock.
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-11 6:41 PM (#7502 - in reply to #7488)
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brad you are so wrong about grace
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Weaser P
Posted 2008-12-11 8:21 PM (#7503 - in reply to #7488)
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He may be wrong, Al, but I'm right behind him.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-11 9:11 PM (#7504 - in reply to #7488)
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schroeder
Posted 2008-12-12 5:14 AM (#7505 - in reply to #7488)
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I'd rather listen to Grace than Janis any day. When Balin chimed in they were as good as any duo, Harris and Parsons, Don and Phil included. Love the original airplane. Fantastic live. And the forgotten man - Spencer Dryden was probably the best of all the west coast drummers.

Ignore them al, they're Archies fans.
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-12 9:44 AM (#7506 - in reply to #7488)
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Marty and Grace together was nothing but pure magic.

Marty started the airplane with Paul kantner thier original singer Signe Anderson left when she got preggers and they took on Grace from the Great society who brough along the tune white rabbit. early JA also borrowed songs from dino valenti of quicksilver messenger service.

Marty and Grace always fought it was Marty's band but Grace being the hot chick model at the time took it over and the focus went to her but Marty's voice is really the distinctive male vocal in the early years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-pQCzQ0oCo

yes I agree the last starship without Paul Kantner was horrible but to dismiss startship on just one tune is absolutely wrong. Paul's original vision was to take the airplane past where it was and go further without jack and jorma and he did if you get the early lp's where it was just a solo project and then stuff like red octopus it was stellar.

but I digress

Grace a karaoke singer? are you F******G kidding me? does Pete just do windmills? is roger just a screamer? can entwhistle hold down the bottom? can moon play a straight 4/4 beat????????/

I would put up ANY and I mean ANY 60's era female singer against the dreck we have today. Janis, Grace, joni mitchell, joan baez, sandy denny, molly prior, etc etc etc against britney spears, the lohans, etc etc etc the only one that really can sing is myriah carey and well, I don't listen too much to her voice......

Grace was not only hot in the day but the personification of Hippie chick. yes she drank too much, yes she did too much acid, yes she wanted to take abbie hoffman as her date to trish nixon's wedding (jury is still out on if that would have been a bad or good thing) but to cast her as a bad karaoke singer is just ignorant.

I bought volunteers when it first came out, took it home put it on the turntable and was blown away and confused by the inclusion of wooden ships. I did not know that whole interconnection of all the CA musicans at the time. I remember thinking how Kantner took it to a whole different level. Yes the csn version was sweet and pretty but the blending of the voices and jorman's guitar along with jack's solo bass playing is just pure magic. to this day the harmonies on "keep us both alive" send s chill down my spine.

DON"T MESS WITH GRACE

be forewarned
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-12-12 10:11 AM (#7507 - in reply to #7488)
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-12-12 10:24 AM (#7508 - in reply to #7488)
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Me thinks me struck a nerve....

I can't remember when we last got a post that long from Al.

I would put up ANY and I mean ANY 60's era female singer against the dreck we have today. Janis, Grace, joni mitchell, joan baez, sandy denny, molly prior, etc etc etc
Let's not go into today's women(?) singers.
IMHO, Grace does not measure up to her peers during that golden era.
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-12 10:42 AM (#7509 - in reply to #7488)
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strongly disagree

which peers???? name names

listen to this one although I don't think you listened to the first one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Aej9wmoQ7M&feature=related
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-12 10:49 AM (#7510 - in reply to #7488)
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or this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWhWMYqDNtk&feature=related

at 1: 58 seconds tell me that does not send chills down your spine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIccZsURyLc
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-12-12 10:53 AM (#7511 - in reply to #7488)
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You are correct... I did not listen to your links... YET.
Lunch time is about an hour away. I plan on doing my due dilegence & give it a listen then.

You know Al that this all boils down to a matter of personal taste but because I respect your view I'll re-visit some Grace stuff and see if my current opinion holds true.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-12 11:02 AM (#7512 - in reply to #7488)
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I am FIRMLY BEHIND Al on this one.

Grace Slick was the DEFINITIVE female voice of the era.

I remember a few years later that Ann Wilson considered it HIGH PRAISE that she was being compared to Grace Slick.

I went to one concert where Heart opened for the Airplane/Starship (can't remember) and remember leaving the venue thinking I had probably just heard the two most powerful women singers in rock of all time.

I still believe that. Both were good on record but were AMAZING in their power and tone when heard live!
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Weaser P
Posted 2008-12-12 11:07 AM (#7513 - in reply to #7488)
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One of the benefits Grace enjoyed, IMHO, was the lack of real competition in the rock arena. Janis, sure but, really, can anyone compare Joan Baez and Grace Slick? Or Melanie. Or Linda Ronstadt for that matter. That's like comparing Steve Perry to James Taylor. This is a real Ty Cobb/Pete Rose comparison if I've ever seen one. Not fair on any level.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-12 11:14 AM (#7514 - in reply to #7488)
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In your example only Joan and Janis were really in the same cultural circle of rock (Melanie was hippy folk and Linda was a later era).

When considering range/power/singingonkey/etc, Grace was the undisputed Queen.


and we all know Steven Tyler has THE BEST voice in rock and Pete Rose was a cheater.
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Weaser P
Posted 2008-12-12 11:26 AM (#7515 - in reply to #7488)
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"In your example only Joan and Janis were really in the same cultural circle of rock."

My point exactly. Pretty easy to be the best when your competition died at, what, 28? You can be the best and still not be great if you're alone.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-12 11:38 AM (#7516 - in reply to #7488)
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You're comparing a gravelly whiskey riddled herion addict's voice to GRACE!

ooooooo......weazy, I used to love ya like a brother.
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Posted 2008-12-12 11:47 AM (#7517 - in reply to #7488)
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I'm saying that's the only fair comparison to make. Not that Grace doesn't come out on top (by an enormous margin by the way). Now, did Grace shape the scene for future female singers (ala Ann)? Absolutely. But I still don't think she was all that great. If you want to talk her and Ann, I think Ann annihilates her.
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-12 11:56 AM (#7518 - in reply to #7488)
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1. Janis Joplin
2. Grace Slick (Jefferson Airplane)
3. Ann Wilson (Heart)
4. Stevie Nicks (Fleetwood Mac, Solo)
5. Tina Turner
6. Pat Benatar
7. Debbie Harry (Blondie)
8. Annie Lennox (Eurythmics)
9. Chrissie Hynde (The Pretenders)
10. Joni Mitchell
11. Melissa Etheridge
12. Patti Smith
13. Alanis Morissette
14. Bjork
15. PJ Harvey
16. Kate Bush
17. Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth)
18. Tarja Turunen (Nightwish)
19. Ani Difranco
20. Nico (Velvet Underground)
21. Delores O'Riordan (Cranberries)
22. Shirley Manson (Garbage)
23. Patty Smyth (Scandal)
24. Rickie Lee Jones
25. Sandy Denny (Fairport Convention, Solo)
26. Martha Davis (Motels)
27. Fiona Apple
28. Meredith Brooks
29. Christina Scabbia (Lacuna Coil)
30. Tanya Donelly (Belly)
31. Liz Phair
32. Terri Nunn (Berlin)
33. Alannah Myles
34. Sheryl Crow
35. Exene Cervanka (X)
36. Suzi Quatro
37. Suzanne Vega
38. Debora Iyall (Romeo Void)
39. Kim Deal (The Breeders, Pixies)
40. Kat Bjelland (Babes In Toyland)
41. Christine McVie (Fleetwood Mac, Solo)
42. Lita Ford
43. Joan Jett (Blackhearts)
44. Siouxsie Sioux (Siouxsie & the Banshees)
45. Melanie
46. Brody Armstrong (The Distillers)
47. Karen O (Yeah Yeah Yeahs)
48. Gilly Smyth (Gong)
49. Kate Pierson (B-52's)
50. Jann Arden
51. Gwen Stefani (No Doubt)
52. Mary Margaret O'Hara
53. Lana Lane
54. Alison Moyet (Yaz)
55. Nina Gordon (Veruca Salt, Solo)
56. Maggie Bell
57. Annie Haslam(Renaissance)
58. Corinne Drewery (Swing Out Sister)
59. Beth Gibbons (Portishead)
60. Nina Hagen
61. Susanna Hoffs (Bangles)
62. Amy Lee (Evanescence)
63. Nancy Wilson (Heart)
64. Skin (Deborah Dyer) (Skunk Anansie)
65. Joss Stone
66. Shawn Colvin
67. Doro Pesch (Warlock)
68. Nanci Griffith
69. Jane Siberry
70. Karla Bonoff
71. Patty Griffin
72. Rita Coolidge
73. Chrissy Steele
74. Amanda Marshall
75. Sas Jordan
76. Linda Perry(4 Non Blondes)
77. Hope Sandoval (Mazzy Star)
78. Carrie Akre (Hammerbox)
79. Kristen Hersh (Throwing Muses)
80. Lee Aaron
81. Sarah Shannon (Velocity Girl)
82. Mia Zappata (Gits)
83. Harriet Wheeler (The Sundays)
84. Wendy Waldman
85. Jennifer Warnes
86. Jonnette Napolitano (Concrete Blonde)
87. Holly McNarland
88. Judy Henske
89. Annette Peacock
90. Candice Night (Blackmore's Night)
91. Patti Santos (It's A Beautiful Day)
92. Amy Winehouse
93. Paula Cole
94. Katrina Chester (Luxx)
95. Margo Timmins (Cowboy Junkies)
96. Kim Richey
97. Signe Anderson (Jefferson Airplane, '65-'66)
98. Maria Azevedo (Battery)
99. Courtney Love (Hole)
100. Marianne Faithful


101. Avril Lavigne
102. Laetitia Sadier (Stereolab)
103. Jennifer Herrema (Royal Trux)
104. Dorothy Moskowitz (United States Of America)
105. Heather Findlay (Mostly Autumn)
106. Kim Wilde
107. Sharon den Adel (Within Temptation)
108. Maria Mckee (Lone Justice, solo)
109. Christina Amphlett (Divinyls)
110. Wendy O. Williams (Plasmatics)
111. Hayley Williams (Paramore)
112. Dale Krantz (Rossington-Collins Band)
113. Jane Jarboe (Swans)
114. Darby Mills (Headpins)
115. Amy Ray (Indigo Girls)
116. Emily Saliers (Indigo Girls)
117. Tara MacLean
118. Jennifer Rush
119. Leslie Rankine (Silverfish)
120. Dale Bozzio (Missing Persons)
121. Joan Osborne
122. Lynda Stipe (Hetch Hetchy)
123. Jennifer Cella (Trans Siberian Orchestra)
124. Simone Simons (Epica)
125. Dominique Durand (Ivy)
126. Kimberley Locke
127. Georgia Hubley (Yo La Tengo)
128. Melanie Doane
129. Lacey Mosley (Flyleaf)
130. Linda Sundblad (Lambretta)
131. Bif Naked
132. Tracey Thorn (Everything But The Girl)
133. Sandi Saraya (Saraya)
134. Pamela Moore
135. Kay Hanley (Letters To Cleo)
136. Kelly Hogan (Jody Grind)
137. Kari Wuhrer
138. Alison Mosshart (AKA VV of The Kills)
139. Tobey Torres (Snake River Conspiracy)
140. Teena Marie
141. Cat Power
142. Grace Potter (Grace Potter and the Nocturnals)
143. Monique Powell (Save Ferris)
144. Kirsty Hawkshaw
145. Neko Case
146. Isabel Monteiro (Drugstore)
147. Lisa Gerrard (Dead Can Dance)
148. Justine Frischmann (Elastica)
149. Anneli Marian Drecker (Bel Canto)
150. Tairrie B (My Ruin)
151. Emm Gryner
152. Charlotte Martin
153. Louise Post (Veruca Salt)
154. Beth Orton
155. Kate Voegele
156. Mimi Goese (Hugo Largo)
157. Marti Dodson (Saving Jane)
158. Kim Shattuck (The Muffs)
159. Thalia Zedek (Live Skull)
160. Charlotte Hatherley (Ash)
161. Melanie Campbell (Burning Brides)
162. Angela Gossgow (Arch Enemy)
163. Jenny Haan (Babe Ruth)
164. Clare Torry (Pink Floyd-DSOTM)
165. Leigh Nash
166. Kathleen Hanna (Le Tigre/Bikini Kill)
167. Ida No (Glass Candy & Shattered Theatre)
168. Jenny Lewis (Rilo Kiley)
169. Nina C. Alice (Skew Siskin)
170. Kate Nash
171. Lilly Allen
172. Dot Allison
173. Ella Hooper (Killing Heidi)
174. Suzi Gardner (L7)
175. Sara Bareilles
176. Tina Dico
177. Sheila Nicholls
178. Danielle Brisebois
179. Lucia Cafarelli (KMFDM)
180. Anna Nalick
181. Corin Tucker (Sleater-Kinney)
182. Sandra Nasic (Guano Apes)
183. Regina Spektor
184. Bonnie Bramlett
185. Nellie Mckay
186. Anette Olzon (Nightwish)


an interesting list
and look who is #2

is it unfair to compare grace and joni mitchell or joan baez? how about maddy prior or sandy denny>? sort of like the perpetual adamas v wood top guitar debate

the only other era appropriate singer I see is annie hanslam and she has a killer voice.

most of the women singers were in motown and girl groups or pop
nancy sinatra?
connie francis
the ronettes
supremes
diana ross
etc
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Weaser P
Posted 2008-12-12 12:02 PM (#7519 - in reply to #7488)
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"most of the women singers were in motown and girl groups or pop"

Or c&w ala Patsy Cline.
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They both gained a bit but Ann sounded better when she was 200# lighter.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-12-12 12:42 PM (#7521 - in reply to #7488)
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Okay Al.. I listened to your links, thank you.

Perhaps she does not deserve the karioke refference but I'll stand by my overall opinion that, well,.... she does not belong anywhere near number two on that list.

When I can say "Wow.... that chick's got pipes!!"... that's my gauge.
I don't think Grace demonstrated the type of range that would make me say that. Another gauge I use is live performance. I have heard some pretty ragged vocals.

I just don't rate her that high.

As far as that list, you can argue almost any pick. For my taste, some are rated way to high, and some way to low.

Peace, my motor-scooter brother!!!
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Posted 2008-12-12 12:58 PM (#7522 - in reply to #7488)
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"When I can say "Wow.... that chick's got pipes!!"... that's my gauge."

Ooo, that reminds me of another...Dolly Parton.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-12 1:11 PM (#7523 - in reply to #7488)
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Chrissie Hynde belongs in this conversation.

"I shot my mouth off an' you show'd me what that hole was for"


She both scared and fascinated me. Hubba-Hubba.
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Weaser P
Posted 2008-12-12 1:23 PM (#7524 - in reply to #7488)
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Same here. I'm surprised she didn't make that list Al put up. Good catch.
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an4340
Posted 2008-12-12 1:28 PM (#7525 - in reply to #7488)
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Can I have some of your purple berries?
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-12-12 1:28 PM (#7526 - in reply to #7488)
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Chrissie is #9.

No Mama Cass??
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-12 1:30 PM (#7527 - in reply to #7488)
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She's at 9 in the list... but, as a female rock singer, she's always been near the top of my list... and it's more her delivery than actual voice quality. She's the AntiKrauss.
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maxdaddy7271
Posted 2008-12-12 1:33 PM (#7528 - in reply to #7488)
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CSN. "Ripping lead guitar" and Jefferson Airplane do not belong in the same sentence. They ruined that song. They had no chops. I loved Marty's voice but Grace I can live without. She was an embarrassment. She couldn't even get along with Frank Zappa-that's pretty sad. I remember Marty relaying that they had a drummer who was with Grace, and they had a band meeting to dismiss him because he was just too sauced all the time. "Then we had another meeting to figure out who was going to sleep with Grace." Pathetic. And don't forget the "nazi" concert in germany. That was classic.
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cliff
Posted 2008-12-12 1:36 PM (#7529 - in reply to #7488)
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". . She's the AntiKrauss . ."
:D That's PrettyGood.


fwiw:
I never really cared too much for Ann Wilson's singing . . or Heart for that matter . . .
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-12 2:28 PM (#7530 - in reply to #7488)
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I still want to know who everyone is comparing Grace to aside Janis in the 60's?????

Marty's voice is great. He is the unsung hero of the airplane.

as for grace i remember her suggesting that all the women bare their breasts at woodstock to stop the rain.
every time I do a gig in the rain I use that line.... it dosen't work for me I just get branded as a jerk
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schroeder
Posted 2008-12-12 2:37 PM (#7531 - in reply to #7488)
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Ignore them al - they're too young to understand. We spent our teens listening to the airplane, they spent theirs watching The Partridge Family.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-12-12 3:00 PM (#7532 - in reply to #7488)
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Originally posted by alpep:
I still want to know who everyone is comparing Grace to aside Janis in the 60's?????
I don't need to compare her to any other singer in any other era. In my book she didn't have the pipes in the 60's, 70's, or the 80's.
I'll go so far to say that she was a compitant singer, a serviceable singer. I just don't think... again IMO... that she was a great singer, or a fabulous singer worthy of being rated as singer among singers.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-12 3:14 PM (#7533 - in reply to #7488)
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hmmmmmm

Let me just say that I wish.....I WISH....I had the male equivalent voice of Grace.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-12-12 3:23 PM (#7534 - in reply to #7488)
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THATS IT!!
That's the description I was reaching for.
You hit the nail on the head Stephen.

She does have a male like quality to her voice.
(as Brad runs & ducks for cover)
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Damon67
Posted 2008-12-12 3:25 PM (#7535 - in reply to #7488)
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Not a Slick fan. Hynde is even worse. Her cousin is a good friend of mine here, and I still don't like her.

Not saying they're bad or karaoke singers, I just personally don't like them. And Al, it wasn't just the one song, that was just me goofin', but there is something to be said that she played her part in THE ABSOLUTELY WORST ROCK SONG EVER!

That list is bullshit too. I see new names on there like Joss Stone, Amy Winehouse, Anna Nalick, Courtney Love...

But no Brandi Carlile?

I call BS for sure.
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-12-12 3:29 PM (#7536 - in reply to #7488)
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"... and no one's gettin' fat 'cept Mama Cass..."
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TRboy
Posted 2008-12-12 4:08 PM (#7537 - in reply to #7488)
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....and no Lucinda Williams?.....
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wilblee
Posted 2008-12-12 4:24 PM (#7538 - in reply to #7488)
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As to who who is better (or best, whatever) I have no idea. Depends on what day it is. But I do know that I can listen to any amount of Grace or Janis without fatigue. Same goes for Annie Lennox (even more so). Some others on the list begin to grate after a while. Depending on who we're talking about, the while can be a few minutes or a few seconds. For instance I have never voluntarily listened to an entire Alanis Morissette, PJ Harvey, or Bjork song all the way through.

On a different note, I love Kate Bush's music, especially her later stuff, and can listen to it all day long, BUT I'm not a huge fan of her voice. On the other hand Christine Aguilera has world class pipes (alone IMHO among the newer crop), but I don't like her music much.
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Beal
Posted 2008-12-12 4:26 PM (#7539 - in reply to #7488)
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They're all terrible, I like Emmy Lou.
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Waskel
Posted 2008-12-12 4:47 PM (#7540 - in reply to #7488)
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I'm with you, Beal.

Having a great voice is one thing, but if I don't like the style of music they use it for I don't listen to it.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-12 4:58 PM (#7541 - in reply to #7488)
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Remember Julia Fordham?
or Cilla Black?
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guitarwannabee
Posted 2008-12-12 6:17 PM (#7542 - in reply to #7488)
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""""""""HOLY SHIT"""""""

Next time I will just do a poll :eek:

Ive awakened a sleeping giant in AL. :D

One thing is I went to this link and was shocked at what Grace looks like today.I am feeling better about myself now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPTzwxr-ZqU

VOLUNTEERS was to me the greatest albulm ever put out by J.A.GWB
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-12 6:28 PM (#7543 - in reply to #7488)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
Remember Julia Fordham?
or Cilla Black?
No. I'm surprised you haven't actually fossilized yet.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-12-12 8:03 PM (#7544 - in reply to #7488)
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This got so far afield that I forgot why I was going to go back and listen to GWB's links after everyone left the office.
I like the Jefferson Airplane version better. Grace's voice is good, but comparing her to Janis is like saying she sounds better than fingernails on the chalkboard.
CSNY has nice 3 part harmonies, but a guy singing falsetto never sounds as good to me as a gal whose voice is naturally in that range. I always thought Grace's voice was a bit in the low alto range and wasn't that extensive, but I didn't listen to her that much.
Back OT: Damon, you're right, Brandi has a great voice. Sheryl Crowe admitted it was better than hers.
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alpep
Posted 2008-12-12 8:44 PM (#7545 - in reply to #7488)
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Originally posted by schroeder:
Ignore them al - they're too young to understand. We spent our teens listening to the airplane, they spent theirs watching The Partridge Family.
next thing you know they are going to tell me that quicksilver messenger service sucked and john cippolina couldn't play guitar.
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Damon67
Posted 2008-12-12 9:12 PM (#7546 - in reply to #7488)
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Who?

*ducks*

Just kiddin'. I AM from the Bay Area. Still before my time though.

As a Freshman in High School, Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman were fresh and new, and a good ol' freshly graduated from our high school kid got the call to go play with Ozzy (Brad Gillis, later left and formed Night Ranger).

As a sophomore, Metallica's first demo tape was all the rage.

So really, we're just talking a difference in the times here.

And Schroeder, I'm post Partridge. David Cassidy was old news. Now his brother Shawn, he was BIG when I was in grade school.
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guitarwannabee
Posted 2008-12-13 12:37 AM (#7547 - in reply to #7488)
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You just cant beat raw rock & roll.GWB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygH6prkcIs
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Tommy M.
Posted 2008-12-14 3:57 AM (#7548 - in reply to #7488)
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Al, I am really impressed by your list. You really do know a thing or two about female singers. I used to be a fan of Janis Joplin, but I think that if she didn't die in her prime, we wouldn't be talking about her.
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schroeder
Posted 2008-12-14 7:14 AM (#7549 - in reply to #7488)
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Originally posted by alpep:
Originally posted by schroeder:
Ignore them al - they're too young to understand. We spent our teens listening to the airplane, they spent theirs watching The Partridge Family.
next thing you know they are going to tell me that quicksilver messenger service sucked and john cippolina couldn't play guitar.
Calvary -- years ahead of it's time.
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guitarwannabee
Posted 2008-12-16 11:56 PM (#7550 - in reply to #7488)
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I think that the version by Airplane was made a bit more for the heavier drug induced crowd more so than the pot smoking CSN version. :eek: :D .
Put that in your bongs and smoke it.GWB
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2008-12-17 4:07 PM (#7551 - in reply to #7488)
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next thing you know they are going to tell me that quicksilver messenger service sucked and john cippolina couldn't play guitar.
Glad you mentioned QMS and John. They are one of the most overlooked bands I can think of. Truly some of the finest work of that era. And John's tone was absolutely KILLER. I'm still searching for anything close to that tone!

Fresh Air
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wilblee
Posted 2008-12-17 10:29 PM (#7552 - in reply to #7488)
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I burned a ton of vegetation listening to their Happy Trails album - especially the Who Do You Love side.
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