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Standingovation
Posted 2004-11-12 7:38 AM (#173482)
Subject: Pre-Amp vs. Guitar



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I'm almost embarrased to ask this question, but let me say up front that I am not a recording or audio engineer and I almost never play plugged in. My question is - if you play plugged in, does the model of guitar make any difference in the sound? For example, plugged in does a Custom Legend with Optima pre-amp sound any different than a Celebrity with the same Optima pre-amp?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2004-11-12 8:13 AM (#173483 - in reply to #173482)
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There's a difference in that the p/u will "pick up" both the sound of the strings and the vibration of the top. A better top wil yield a better sound. Also, the quality of the p/u and preamp will make a difference.
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tbran1996
Posted 2004-11-12 9:16 AM (#173484 - in reply to #173482)
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2004-11-12 9:35 AM (#173485 - in reply to #173482)
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Which p/u does the 1778T have -- the tru balance or the CP 100?
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tbran1996
Posted 2004-11-12 9:47 AM (#173486 - in reply to #173482)
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2004-11-12 9:54 AM (#173487 - in reply to #173482)
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Good questions. There will be some difference, but another question is whether the improvement in sound is worth the expense. A new pickup/preamp with installation isn't cheap.
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Beal
Posted 2004-11-12 10:16 AM (#173488 - in reply to #173482)
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It is however, good justification for getting another guitar.
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Standingovation
Posted 2004-11-12 10:50 AM (#173489 - in reply to #173482)
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I guess the reason I was asking this was wondering, should a live performer who is looking for a plugged in acoustic guitar give a damn what it sounds like acoustically? Would a SS balladeer with the same p/u amd preamp sound the same as a deep bowl Adamas plugged in?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2004-11-12 10:54 AM (#173490 - in reply to #173482)
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It's my understanding that it's not the volume of the body that makes a difference, it's the top and the strings.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2004-11-12 11:52 AM (#173491 - in reply to #173482)
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While pickups & preamps have an inherent sound, they are, like microphones, designed to reproduce the sound source. Put a state-of-the-art pickup/preamp into a mediocre guitar and you will have a finely amplified medioce guitar sound. Paradoxically cheaper cheaper guitars made out of laminates, which sound just OK acoustically are often easier to amplify, especially in a band situation with a loud rhythm section. Application is an important consideration. If you're fronting a rock band thrashing out chords then the subtleties of a fine guitar/pickup may be lost, but playing solo or in a small ensemble then the difference between a great guitar & an OK guitar will be far more apparent.

Paul, The volume of air in the body, which is one of the factors which defines a guitars resonant frequency has some influence on the amplified sound but has a greater influence on the feedback threshold. Put simply bigger guitars will generally feedback sooner than smaller guitars. Hence the Supershallow.

Dave to answer your question, as someone who performs regularly with acoustic instruments the quality of the acoustic sound is very important. Having said that lately I've been using a supershallow MOB for slide & a Nylon Viper. The MOB has been upgraded with an OPP pickup and it sounds a little different, but not a whole lot, to the original Thinline it came with.
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