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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I know he wasn't a guitar god, but in his way very influential, and I know he influenced me.
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Location: NJ | I met him at the the NYC guitar show a couple of times. Seemed like a nice guy. When I saw the Ramones, it had to be the loudest show I ever saw. |
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Location: NJ | While my sympathies go out to his family and fans, I must admit that I never really "got" the Ramones (or the whole "punk scene" for that matter). To me, the only good thing to come out of "punk" was that it enabled a shitload of people with absolutely no talent to make boatloads of money . . . . |
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Location: Waurika OK | Saw the report about his death this morning. Report said that two of his siblings have died. Are they all gone?
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Location: NJ | . . . I think there's one "original" member left . . . and a drummer who came along later . . . |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | "To me, the only good thing to come out of "punk" was that it enabled a shitload of people with absolutely no talent to make boatloads of money . . . . "
Perhaps.
While I never really got into the punk scene all that much, I do appreciate the effect and influence it had on many bands that I do like, who CAN play well.
Though you may not find a master musician in the punk genre (uh, wouln't that be missing the point?), it would be hard to discount the fact that you can find some sincere integrety in the self expression and passion in some of the music. The energy release is often incredible, and I think the Ramones, while I don't have any of their cds, are just plain fun to hear on occassion.
I think, my preferences aside, that punk has a legitimate place in rock music history.
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Johnny...a little deeper than the usual banter on this board but I agree with you. My son is the lead screamer in a punk band and he is really serious about the social and political situations they scream about. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I know there are negatives about the punk scene, and most people made no money, but on the positive side it let people who normally wouldn't be making music, do it, and most, did it with sincerity, and that's not a bad thing. At least it wasn't music that came out of a processor (food, computer, music company or otherwise)
PS: I agree, they were the loudest band in a small venue that I have ever heard. |
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Location: Midland, MI | I still have several Ramones albums on vinyl. A fond part of my younger years. Sad.
On a lighter note, I'll bet Alpep would better identify with them if he had ever heard 'Sedated.' :)
Ba-ba-ba-bump-ba-ba-ba-bump-ba, to Johnny. |
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Location: NJ | I WANNA BE SEDATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Although you may not believe it, I was a fixture on the local punk scene for a while actually I was more into the techno pop and "new wave" but every once in a while I just have to drag out those olf public image limited albums.
Tommy Ramone is the original drummer he is still alive along with Marky Ramone who was their drummer for most of their existence.
BTW I met Dee Dee Ramone many times and he was always stoned. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Too bad, another one gone. |
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Location: richwood,ohio | this totally sucks.he was the reason i ever picked up a guitar in the first place.saw them 7 or 8 times and they were always great,fast and LOUD!makes ya feel old when you see your heroes fall. |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | Cliff is a guy from North Jersey, a place I used to be from. But he hit it right on the head on this one.
To me, the only good thing to come out of "punk" was that it enabled a shitload of people with absolutely no talent to make boatloads of money .
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Location: Toms River, NJ | Yeah some people do miss the point. Each generation tries to express themselves in their own way. Unfortunately or not, playing music is a way to be heard ever since the dawn of time. And generation after generation use it to express them selves just as we did back in the 60's. Just like the Hippies did. How good were some of them as players? The punkers looked back into the 60's and found what was over looked do to the abundance of real talent like The Beatles, The Stones, The Cream, Jimi Hendrix etc. And some of their practise sessions that I heard didn't sound any better than any one of us trying to get a tune down. They also used a lot of studio tricks, didn't they? Anyway the Punkers heard the garage bands that were over looked as in "The Stooges" who had a pretty good first album if you can get hold of it check it out. It'll remind you of why you started playing in the first place. (Lead singer later was known as Iggy Pop a punkers god) "The Standels" (Dirty Water) "The Velvet Under Ground". It's a good thing the Punkers got turned on by a song like "I Wanna Be Your Dog" by The Stooges instead of a song like "Good Morning Sunshine" or was it Starshine? I don't even know who had the nerve to sing that one. It would of been a whole different trip if they did. Now wouldn't it? Well you get the idea. When music became to complicated for a young kid to play in the 70's do to jazz players playing over rock rhythms (Fusion) they looked back and heard what they could be able to play. And so they did. For instance, what type of music did we play when we started, Surf music? Wipe Out? Oh Donna? The real hoax in music that you all seem to miss is the Rapp (crap) It should of died when Blondie (who came from the CBGB Punk scene but legitimized them selves as New Wave" recorded Rapture. And for some reason it's (Rapp) still being pushed on generation after generation even though it S_'s. And everyone I know, young and old hates it. That's why when I see a kid today with orange or green hair or those gothic kids all dressed in black over coats walking with a guitar case shaped like a coffin playing their own type of music I say to myself "there is a future in real music someday" Cause out of what seems like garbage to many of us is the start of at least a few kids who will wind up to become real musicians and even might buy an Ovation someday. Let your hearts play the music, not your minds. Just try to remember what it was that made all of you want to play in the first place. Then go back and listen to it again. Guess what? It'll make you want to play even more so now. I think I'll go listen to one of my Jimmy Reed CD's. See you folks. Long Live All Music, Regardless of what it may sound like to others. as long as it's inspiration to some one, it's good. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Welll
As Jack Benny would say.
I, as a rock hard badass bluegrass player, inadvertantly heard some Ramones songs.
They had some of the feeling of bluegrass in their driving approach to music, played at it's limits. Nuances are hard to use at 197 miles an hour, keep it on the track and win, they did win.
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by MoGrass:
...The real hoax in music that you all seem to miss is the Rapp (crap) It should of died when Blondie (who came from the CBGB Punk scene but legitimized them selves as New Wave" recorded Rapture. And for some reason it's (Rapp) still being pushed on generation after generation even though it S_'s. And everyone I know, young and old hates it...
It's not a hoax, it's a money making vehicle for labels, promoters and the artists (who manage to not blow their advances). I can't stand rap, not because of the music, but because of the mythos that has been built around it. Culturally, it is destructive, IMHO.
But, it is music. Consider that rap has taken polyrhythm out of the drum kit and brought it to the vocal. Instead of a singer, guitarist and bassist going on in 4/4 time with the drummer laying out grooves underneath them, rap has the drums in 4/4, with the vocals doing the polyrhythm. Credit where credit is due, but that isn't enough to save the genre, again, IMHO.
To understand what I mean, consider that most rap has drums with a strong downbeat, in 4/4 time, then you have a rapper (singer?) over the top going 'BA-ba-ba-ba-BUM-bum-ba-BUM-bum-BA-bum-bum, BAAAA-ba-ba-ba-BUM-bum-BA-bum-bum-BA-bum, BA-bum-bum-bum-BA, ba-bum-BUM-ba' I find it fascinating, but can't get past the misogyinst, anti-authority, often times racist window dressing.
I don't think Blondie was the first 'rapper' with Rapture. I think Rapper's Delight might have preceded it. Although Debbie Harry was smokin' hot back in the day. Then gain, Wendy O. William's had that plastic thingy she wore...yeah, punk was, er, fun. :) |
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | I'm not sure if it's polyrhythm as much as syncopation. When I think of polyrhythm I think of music like Brubeck's Blue Rondo à la Turk in 9/8 time, or Kathy's Waltz, where the 3/4 time pulses merge into a 4/4 signature.
In any case, what irks me about rap is the lack of "musicality". You don't need to struggle to learn to play an instrument. Hell, you don't even need to be able to sing, and you can make a ton of money and be famous. After laboring (albeit a labor of love) for over 30 years, I feel I'm just beginning to get a feel for the guitar, and I think it's an insult to me and others who really try to learn to play an instrument or sing to see what's going on in that rap scene.
"Yo, I can't sing,
I can't play guitar,
but I know how to be a music star,
I'll just buy some shades,
and some baggy pants,
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Johnny Ramone Dies
