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cruster
Posted 2004-07-24 5:03 PM (#182283 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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Originally posted by Lisa:
No Cruster...it was Logan's Run with Farrah Faucet (possibly before your time....). No prize.


Ooh, I was so close (not). Before my time, eh? If you say so, I'll go along with ya...

I barely recall the Lee Majors-Farah Fawcett era at all...er, maybe that's not the best wya to phrase that...

:)
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cliff
Posted 2004-07-24 5:26 PM (#182284 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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"Logan Run"
- soundtrack by the recently deceased (and previously mentioned in another thread) Jerry Goldsmith.
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2004-07-24 7:48 PM (#182285 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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That was not Farrah in "Logan's Run", that was Jenny Agutter. My wife and I saw the movie in the theatre when we were dating(July 1976)....it was actually a tiny bit before Farrah became famous. There may be some confusion with the movie "Saturn 3" that Farrah WAS in.

Roger
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cruster
Posted 2004-07-24 8:18 PM (#182286 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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Originally posted by Old Applause Owner:
That was not Farrah in "Logan's Run", that was Jenny Agutter. My wife and I saw the movie in the theatre when we were dating(July 1976)....it was actually a tiny bit before Farrah became famous. There may be some confusion with the movie "Saturn 3" that Farrah WAS in.

Roger


Actually, FF-M was in Logans Run (the movie, not the tv thing) as Holly. It was right about the time that she became 'Farah Fawcett-Majors,' IIRC, but preceded her rising stardom. What she has become (as evidenced by the last couple of times I saw her on Letterman) is a far cry from what she was. I suppose there are few who survived the '70s completely unscathed, though. :)

Then again, as Lisa so kindly pointed out...it may all have been before my time. HEHEHEH!
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Beal
Posted 2004-07-24 8:34 PM (#182287 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars



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You would think that the New Hartford library would have a copy of the book! Oh well, maybe they don't know about the factory on the other side of the river....
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2004-07-24 8:44 PM (#182288 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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DOH!!!! Right you are, Cruster....she wasn't the lead actress, but she was in it. I remember that now. I need to rent the movie and watch it again!!!!

Roger
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Northcountry
Posted 2004-07-24 9:07 PM (#182289 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars
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Im Sorry everyone I fell asleap! what were we talking about?

Lisa looks like you have a couple of real nice Ovations. Play them and enjoy. Don't worry about the Multi sound holes? It's all a personal preference anyway. I have heard an old Martin Guitar that has a really fantastic sound. This sound I do not think I could recreate with My Ovations, ever? But My Adamas's have an equally fantastic sound. Just different? To me it is the sound I prefer. So play what you have and enjoy what you play. If you want to learn about Elites or Adamas's do an internet search and please check out Al's site again the little camera Icon to the right of the guitar selections will get you a photo to look at on his site. And remember were all Crazy.
It's the Gas!
You'll get it to if you stay here, before you know it you'll be hiding money from your husband and stealling the kids lunch money to get an Ovation you just can't live without! I found A cure for the Ovation GAS! I found that Rickenbacker guitars were just as desirable to me as the Ovations! but then I have been looking at Gibsons and Alembic's and Tobias's etc. etc. and then there is that Ovation Mandolin and Adamas Bass, and ohhh yeah a Tiple.... yep a Tiple and an electric violin and..............
There now lets see if can end this thread too! Randy
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TDCEliteT
Posted 2004-07-25 6:23 AM (#182290 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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I always promote and try to buy locally. I believe the expert advice and support and service is worth a lot. HOWEVER, here is my story and I am sticking to it.
I fell for a Korean made Black Ovation in my local shop that was on sale for about 50% off. I sold a Yamaha FG-75 I found at a garage sale and an old go-cart my kids never used and went to the store to make a deal. They had a like new used case they would sale for $70 to go with the guitar. If they would have thrown in the case I would have bought it. THEN I made the mistake of playing an 1868 Elite T while they were screwing around. Sounds great AND made in the USA. It was on sale for $699($200 off). I could not get them to come down any on the USA made guitar and I could not lay out $700 for a guitar (I can barely play...). After listening to the Elite T I could not buy the Korean made guitar (because of the better quality sound and I work in manufacturing and I (we) are at war with foriegn manufacturing.

I left with the intent to save more money and return but then I saw a deal on Ebay. I purchased a new 1868 Elite T for $475. With shipping, $200 less than the local shop sales price. I could not pass that up. If it had been less than $100, I would have bought locally to support local business but $200 is $200. I have bought 3 guitars and all my support gear locally in addition to trying to get the best deal possible so I do not feel bad about buying this off the net at such a low price. That's what the free enterprize system is all about, write?

In addition to the above, when I ask the sales person about why the Elite T was not marked down like the Korean guitar, he said it was because they were clearing out last years models (the music shop in MO said that sold the Elite T for $475 because they were clearing out last years model...).

My vote is:
1)Buy American Made
2)Buy locally
3)Buy with in your budget

T>D>C
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cruster
Posted 2004-07-25 7:30 AM (#182291 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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Originally posted by TDCElite:
//snip, snip, snippety, snip away a lot of post//

In addition to the above, when I ask the sales person about why the Elite T was not marked down like the Korean guitar, he said it was because they were clearing out last years models (the music shop in MO said that sold the Elite T for $475 because they were clearing out last years model...).

My vote is:
1)Buy American Made
2)Buy locally
3)Buy with in your budget

T>D>C


Very interesting story. My local Mom/Pop, and the place I take my lessons, is very flexible with pricing, going so far as to check internet pricing (8th Street, MusiciansFiend, SameDayMusic, etc.) and matching it. The owner (Rick) is incredibly friendly and the young guns they have working the counter/floor aren't the 'I'll help you after I'm done shredding my way through this Yngwie scale run for the fifth time'-salesdroids that one finds at the local Guitarget. Actually, there are two or three latino guys working at the local Guitarget that are just awesome...the other guys are awful.

Buying last years models is a great way to save some bucks (and therefore minimize SWMBO's anger) . I'm looking at a Peavey Cropper Classic at one of the mom/pop's stores (they have three in this area) that has been marked down to $519 from the original $819 from the original retail of $1099. I missed two (!) of them on eBay that went for $220-$250, brand new w/OHSC and could kick myself.

And don't ignore the used market! That's how I bought my 1868 (non-T)!! Now, if I could get someone at the Hamerfanclub page to activate the account I registered a week ago so I can ask a couple of questions about some used Hamer tele's I have turned up...

Enjoy your O!
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Beal
Posted 2004-07-25 7:35 AM (#182292 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars



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Lisa, It would be better if the library had a hard cover, would last longer and all that. I'll take care of it next time I'm down that way.
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2004-07-25 7:48 PM (#182293 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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Hi, Lisa, yes, I'm here.....actually I have TWO Legends...an old 1978-vintage model 1617 and a much newer 2003-vintage model 1777. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by "gingerbread", but my guess is that it refers to the fact that the regular Legend's bridge is not as ornate as the Custom Legend(several hundred dollars more expensive), plus it doesn't have as much abalone trim (the pearlescent material used on fingerboards, around rosettes and body edges) as the Custom Legend.

I'll use my old post signature this time so you can see what guitars I have....I've gotten lazy of late.

Roger

1976 Applause AA14-4 6-String
1978 Ovation 1617-4 Legend 6-string
1981 Ovation 1118-1 Glen Campbell 12-string
2001 Adamas 1598-MERB Melissa Etheridge 12-String
2003 Ovation 1777-NAT Legend 6-string
2004 Ovation GCS771-C Balladeer 6-string
2003 Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus
2004 Larrivee O-09 Flame Maple Parlor
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cruster
Posted 2004-07-25 8:25 PM (#182294 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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Originally posted by Lisa:
Steve (my husbnd) put a picture of my Balladeer under my profile! He's a great guy!

Time for me to get back to my C major scales in the second position :confused:


Lisa-

That is a great looking whippet! (At least I think it's a whippet) And the O is nice, too! :)
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Beal
Posted 2004-07-26 7:42 AM (#182295 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars



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Gingerbread is the same as fru-fru but a little more manly.
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Slap
Posted 2004-07-26 8:30 AM (#182296 - in reply to #182233)
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http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/frary/changing_strings.htm

Lisa

The link (above) on changing nylon strings should give you an idea on how to change them.....pretty easy. If you tie the ends...looks better. Some people use the ball ends....to me it doesn't look as good on a Nylon stringed guitar.

I use Labella strings on all my classicals/Nylon stringed guitars. I have used them for 20 years. They have always worked well for me and I love the tone.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2004-07-26 8:31 AM (#182297 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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Lisa, gingerbread refers to the inlays on the fingerboard. It's usually a term used when they are fancy.

Don't worry about the strings on your CA when going over the the factory. If they work on them, they'll just be taking them off and discarding them.

And a lot of us here have nylon string guitars. I've got a Courtry Artist myself as do a number of people on the board.

Lastly, don't feel bad about not going up above the third fret. In the studio, they call those first three frets the "money frets". I, myself, only know 3 chords, but I'm told that there's a 4th one out there and I keep searching for it.
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Slap
Posted 2004-07-26 8:44 AM (#182298 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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Lisa

I agree with Paul Moody. No need to replace them prior to your factory visit....they'll just remove them and replace after fixing your guitar.
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cruster
Posted 2004-07-26 10:11 AM (#182299 - in reply to #182233)
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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Lastly, don't feel bad about not going up above the third fret. In the studio, they call those first three frets the "money frets". I, myself, only know 3 chords, but I'm told that there's a 4th one out there and I keep searching for it.


And, as everyone knows, the 'money frets' only payout if you stick to cowboy chords!

(Why yes, my guitars only show wear on the first four frets. Why do you ask?) :eek:
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Stevechapman
Posted 2004-07-26 3:17 PM (#182300 - in reply to #182233)
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OK, better Late than never!
In reference to FFM in Logan's Run..
she played the Receptionist/Assistant to The Plastic Surgeon.
I Love that Movie!
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Slipkid
Posted 2004-07-26 3:32 PM (#182301 - in reply to #182233)
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A remake of Logan's Run is in the works. One director had to back out but it will get made.
Brad
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Old Applause Owner
Posted 2004-07-26 5:33 PM (#182302 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars


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That's unfortunate....the original Logan's Run was plenty good enough. Too bad they can't spend some money making a good ORIGINAL story (but paraphrasing Linda Ronstadt's song..."it's so easy to have a hit, all you gotta do is recycle it").

Lisa, it does take a little more finger strength to play a 12-string, but not as much as you might think. I shied away from them for a while, but one evening at Guitar Center last October I picked up a 6751 Balladeer 12-string and found I could play it just fine!!!!

I was hooked, and I now have 2 12-strings(no 6751, though!). You gotta change TWELVE strings when you change them, however! And the thin octave strings are prone to breaking when changing them. At least they are for me.

Roger
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MWoody
Posted 2004-07-26 9:57 PM (#182303 - in reply to #182233)
Subject: Re: Ethical question about trying guitars



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As I struggle to catch up I am enjoying this string alot.

For Lisa:
"After I consume my forthcoming copy, I'll donate it to the New Hartford library. There should be one there, to my way of thinking."

I'd get it signed instead. add a smudge of Boston Cream.

Hearing your enthusiasm makes playing my CL12 with the bologna all around it and my Elite with the little holey thingies sound even better. Those of us that have had an "enriched" Ovation experience from this board are really blessed.

There is a deep history and commitment to craftsmanship in these instruments. Also a sense of Family from this board. OK, sick family, but still family.

Over the weekend I spent time with our Youth Group. They taught me some Switchfoot. I taught them 4&20.
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cliff
Posted 2004-07-27 8:28 AM (#182304 - in reply to #182233)
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"Switchfoot" (I believe) is a contemporary P&W band.

"4+20" is a Stephen Stills song on CSN&Y's first album "DejaVu".
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