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Location: Tennessee | Going off topic a bit ... did anyone else see the small ad for the Q in the August Guitar Player? It was just a small 1/6 or so page in black and white. Just a note: It was the excellent Hamer ad on the back cover that made me pick up the pub and leaf through it. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Dave (standingovation),
It's funny you should say that about Toyota's... they do have a lower end Corolla, only it's put together in CA with their engine and transmission- it's the Chevy Prizm. It's a great car for the money :D
Now if I could just parlay that into a 1773 classic... |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Just one question in to subliminal motivation
Why did Dave in the first paragraph of a preceding post say; " taylor their product" TAYLOR, what was he trying to say?
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| If Mercedes-Benz had followed in the footsteps of Ovation after buying Chrysler they would have slapped a bunch of Mercedes hood ornaments on all these Dodge Neon’s and renamed them Mercedes-Benz Celebrities. Then all the Mercedes dealers could just stock a couple of Mercedes 300’s & 500’s and the rest could be Mercedes cc47’s or something. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The "taylor" thing was a slip, but I think a pretty good one (ha ha). The analogy to mercedes and chrysler is very appropriate. Dave |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Just had to catch you on that one Dave, and I agree on the Chrysler/Mercedes comparison. Unfortunately, we may live to see the Mercedes Neon, and, if we are unfortunate enough, it will have gull wing doors.
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | OK, first off, excuse my rambling and cognitive "stray voltage". However, after perusing this now, lengthy, dicussion, and connecting it to a thread I recently promulgated ("New Critter...."); I am additionaly persuaded and motivated to have my 1127 rebuilt. Analogously, the choice being: Would you buy a brand new Subaru Legacy, a good, solid, reliable vehicle, or put your 1972 Mach I into the shop for a new engine, upholstery, wheels and tires, and paint job? Nostalgia is a factor, but what about the intrinsic, and inherent quality of the vehicle?
Now, if this fails to "open up a can of worms", then I obviously have missed my mark as a social agitator and petty revolutionary! |
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Location: SoCal | Ok, I'll take a shot at this as it is something I've given a lot of thought to regarding both cars and guitars.
Maintaining a used car or guitar is alway, but always, in the long run, cheaper than buying something new. With cars, the trick is to find something you like and get one that was leased, with low miles, and now being offered by the dealer with a full warranty. That way, somebody else takes the big depreciation hit. Then you drive it until the wheels fall off. Putting three grand a year into repairs is nothing compared to monthly car payments of $4-5000 for the next 3-5 years.
The downside is that if you get into an accident, you'll never get your money back out. For example, my "toy" is a 1983 Rx-7. Over the last few years, I've put in (including the purchase price) about $9000 into it. I can't sell it for more than 3 and if it were totaled in an accident, it I wouldn't get more than 1. But to buy something comperable new, I'd spend $25000 and be making payments for 4 years.
Same with a guitar. While the money you put into an older guitar can't be justified (most times) by what the guitar is worth on the open market, by and large, it's still cheaper than a new guitar, and you get the satisfaction of playing something that is wonderful, has history, and isn't like everything else on the wall of the Guitar Center.
I've only bought two new guitars in my life. I currently own about 10 Ovations and the newest one is from 1993. The oldest three go back to 1968.
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Is the refurbished Mach I a better car than the 2003 Legacy? Perhaps irrelevant. Preserving history and continuity might be a better rationale. It all depends where you place the emphasis. Yes, I know this has strayed from the original issue of high-end classical guitars BUT, given the choice, would you restore the 1974 1613, or buy the 2004 Folklore Deluxe? |
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Location: SoCal | Isn't the 1613 a nylong string? Or is it the Folklore of old?
Given that choice, and an ability to spend the bucks for the newer guitar, I'd get the newer. The reason being, the bracing pattern. I think that the A bracing pattern is much supperior to the older patterns. And, I just think that the Folklore Deluxe is one of the best guitars that Ovation has ever build.
But if we were comparing a new Legend with one from the early 80's (same bracing), I'd go with the older guitar. |
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Location: Scotland | The Folklore was 1114/1614. An older 1613 and the current FD are poles apart, any comparison of steel/nylon guitars is pointless. The nearest current model to the 1613 would be the 1863 or 1773 Legend Nylon string, which, getting back to the original point of the thread, are specified as having AAA cedar tops, but they'll make one for you in AAA spruce if you ask.
Paul, the old Folklore/Josh White was X-braced. While I agree the A-brace is arguably better than the various VT patterns, the older X-braced guitars, like the Deluxe Balladeers we both own, sound killer. $500 max for an old Folklore or nearly 3 times that for an FD-14? As much as I think the new version is a great guitar, I know where my money would go. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Choice of restoring an old 1114/1614 or buying a new FD-14 also might depend how much you value having something rare. There are thousands of 1114/1614 but on 50 of the FD-14's. Dave |
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Location: Scotland | Hmmm.... what price rareity, and does it really matter, given Ovation's status in the vintage/collectors market. I have a Folklore of which there is only 1. If I put it on ebay tomorrow, would that make a difference to it's value? I suspect not, but it ain't gonna happen, so it's academic. |
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Location: SoCal | Paul:
I gotta admit that the only Folklore I ever hear (I've never played one), was a right handed guitar converted to a lefty. Sound wise, it sounded like my 78 Legend which a most uninspiring guitar when strung normally.
I blew the opportunity last month to try one of Standovtion's Josh Whites when I was in Phoenix. I'll be that those guitar, with the X bracing and the old shinny bowls, would indeed, be killer.
You are absolutely right about our DB's. Mine gets played around the house more than just about anything else.
But when I played his Folklore Deluxe... wow. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Paul T. - I wasn't refering to resale "value", but rather the value of ownership, like sentimental value. If something is rare, I just feel luckier to have it, that's all.
Paul M. - The FD and the Josh don't sound all that simlar. I think the differenc is mostly due to spruce top vs. cedar. Tough to say which I prefer.
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