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FlySig
Posted 2009-12-22 4:30 PM (#385821)
Subject: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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Anybody had this happen to their 2080 swoosh?

The guitar arrived with the pointy end lifting the thickness of a pick for the first 1/4 inch. It certainly wasn't worth shipping back for that. Now, 6 months later, the lift has slowly progressed until this week when it looks like this:







The tip is a full 1/8 inch above the sound board. There is a smooth surface where the trim attaches to the top, but I can't tell if it is a strip of adhesive, a strip of double-sided tape, or if the top itself is smoothed there.

Perhaps the ebony in the trim is shrinking and curling the swoosh up. I can't come up with any other explanation, but the guitar has lived in a climate controlled room at 50% humidity since new last summer.

Anybody have this happen to their 2080?
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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-22 5:10 PM (#385822 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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Push it down and drop some Cyano glue in there. Tell it to keep clam.

btw - I can't see the pics from work but I bet it was just loose and lifted out.
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cholloway
Posted 2009-12-22 5:12 PM (#385823 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose


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Originally posted by MWoody:
Tell it to keep clam.
You mean it should stay shut? closed? tight??
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-12-22 6:25 PM (#385824 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose
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Mike's been known to have dyslexic moments. Maybe that should read 'calm'... In either case, he's right! ;)
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Waskel
Posted 2009-12-22 6:27 PM (#385825 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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I dunno. Clam makes sense, too. Especially if you've met Mike.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-12-22 6:29 PM (#385826 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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I love Ivar's, Mike! The man is an icon.

I got no advice for you FlySig. Sorry. But I want to hear the final answer in case mine ever starts up with that nonsense.
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noah
Posted 2009-12-22 7:18 PM (#385827 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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The tip of the blowhole swoosh on the "used" one that I came across at Guitar Center was not glued down (maybe that's why it was marked "used"). It was not lifting like yours. I didn't think it was much of a problem and it did make a great pick holder. If it had been popped up as much as yours, I probably would have been able to get a better price quote. After I posted about coming across it and you guys said how much you liked yours, I went back and it was gone. Too bad, now that I see how easy it is to remove... without the metal swoosh on the blowhole, I might be able warm up to a 2080.
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WillaMuse
Posted 2009-12-22 7:35 PM (#385828 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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Oh, my!



So sorry for you! Yes ... stay CALM.

:(
Willa
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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-22 7:49 PM (#385829 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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At first read without the pics (Work firewall is anti Photobucket) I thought it was the Swoosh inlay on the Fretboard and I did make a pseudo "Ivar" reference thinking it was an Abalone/MoP issue.

That looks worse but the answer is the same. Re-adhere it with Cyano or whatever Mother recommends.

Or rip it off completely and replace it with some ebony, I never did bond with that Cat's Eye trimmy thing.
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Beal
Posted 2009-12-22 9:24 PM (#385830 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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Mine came loose too, a little super glue and it's back down. I use the kind from StooMac that has the brush aplicator. Much easier to get how much you want where you want it.
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numbfingers
Posted 2009-12-22 9:38 PM (#385831 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose


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FlySig
Posted 2009-12-22 11:19 PM (#385832 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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Thanks Beal. I didn't want to rush into using a chemical that would destroy the top. CYA it is from the model train store tomorrow..
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-12-22 11:33 PM (#385833 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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Wow! That looks scary.

But this is a great opportunity to make a nice looking guitar outta that one.

Needless to say, I always disliked that feature of that model of that guitar... It's Fugly.
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Mitzdawg
Posted 2009-12-23 1:10 PM (#385834 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose
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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I always disliked that feature of that model of that guitar... It's Fugly.
Nuthin' a 4 inch hole saw can't fix....
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FlySig
Posted 2009-12-24 3:03 PM (#385835 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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A little CYA and she's all back together.



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tpa
Posted 2009-12-28 1:05 PM (#385836 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose


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Good that You got the thing reattached nicely, FlySig. It is a pity that on guitars that are branded as top level guitars bonding failures seems to be quite common. I had parts of the epaulette trimming fall off of my Adamas. Refixed easily with with cyano acrylate glue, but still, a $4800 guitar (DK list price).
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noah
Posted 2009-12-28 4:30 PM (#385837 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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Originally posted by tpa:
Refixed easily with with cyano acrylate glue, but still, a $4800 guitar (DK list price).
Point well taken. It should not happen, but a very easy do-it-yourself fix. Permanently bonding dissimilar materials is an art.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-12-28 5:46 PM (#385838 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose
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Originally posted by tpa:
I had parts of the epaulette trimming fall off of my Adamas. Refixed easily with with cyano acrylate glue, but still, a $4800 guitar (DK list price).
This is where they earn their respect in the guitar world.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-12-28 6:12 PM (#385839 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose


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Yes, good as new!!!

Congrats!!!!!
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-12-28 6:48 PM (#385840 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose



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Maybe better than new. :rolleyes:
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tpa
Posted 2009-12-29 6:30 AM (#385841 - in reply to #385821)
Subject: Re: Adamas 2080 adhesive failure, swoosh loose


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With the cyano operation being an improvement it should add to the guitars value. Have that in mind when looking for a used Adamas ;-)
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