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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | My first Balladeer, my first Ovation (what brought me Here) was a Solid Top SSB Korean import....
Damn Nice Guitar. Started my O'diction!
So maybe this will mean another beginner can get a Great Solid Top with a Great Pre-amp for $400?
(kinda wish I hadn't sold it, Best SSB I've had.)
Random thought (aren't they all)... All the Toyota's, Nissan's and Mazda's the Japanese buy are Made in the USA! :p
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Now now Tony , according to Arthur , we will see Korean Ovations , " Made in the USA " , so , perhaps the sky is not so dark after all , seriously though ,.. He does raise an Interesting point :)
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
At least Gibson has the Epiphone headstock/logo.
It is how a guitar is designed and the materials used to construct it. Try an Epiphone Masterbilt EF-500R.
Nearest thing to a Martin OM at a third of the price. True in a few years the Martin will be worth what you paid where as the Epiphone will be worth a couple of C notes.
USA built Ovations to someone who appreciates the brand will be worth the money.
If Quality Control is used you will be able to get a decent Ovation guitar built somewhere other than the USA.
If Gibson can do it with the Epiphone Masterbilt line than I'm sure Ovation can. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
Tup, I didn't find the word 'quality' or the phrase 'customer service/support' in your post... Good point. As far as service I don't think I've heard how this will be handled for Balladeers. Maybe KS takes this over. For the price point of Balladeers maybe that's where it belongs anyway, who knows.
Quality is another consideration and I think the shot in the arm of Asian quality control is just what the Balladeer needed anyway, so this should be a good thing.
So overall, I'm pretty optimisic about the whole thing and how it will help Fender and Ovation as a whole. But truth be told I have no Balladeer purchase plans in my immediate future.
Time will tell, but I tend to look at the upside and not wollow in pity of what used to be and is no more. Better to spend my energy on things I can control.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Better to spend.....on things I can control.
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Location: SoCal | I had a 1989 Model 4861 Korean Balladeer for a short time...impressed with the guitar, paid less and later sold for less because not USA. Not a problem...again, with no product placement in stores (as there is very little now), why would you invest in R&D, supply inventory, space in the factory, etc., for US Ovation when the public sees them as a respected, well built off shore brand. Risk with no incentive.
Again, NAMM...Ovation used their very expensive real estate (booth) and staff to sell the off shore Celebs. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | 我们做您美好的吉他
EDIT: 二 美元 |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | GOOD ONE T28 !!!
I guess "control" maybe isn't something I have a lot of these days.
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Hey , OVATION ain`t dead !!!....get that wood -box outtahere ...
Al..them Takaminers are invading our stronghold.. :)
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | If Kaman/Fender want recognition of quality guitars, don't call the Asian ones 'Ovation'. Simple!
Celebrity Balladeer, Applause Elite. Call 'em what they are. They ain't Ovations.
Even down here, I often hear "I played an Ovation once, didn't like it. But yours sounds GREAT!"
I ask them if the one they played was a US Ovation, or a Korean/Chinese one. "I dunno, but it was definitely an Ovation." |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | +1 muzza, people think I'm crazy when I tell them what I play, but refuse to get their grubby hands off of mine when they play them.
I agree, rename the low-end and seperate them from the good 'uns. |
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Location: SoCal | I can't remember what thread we were talking about
Taylors on, but since every thread seems to take 3 or 4 turns in different directions, I tack a comment about them on this one.
Guy came to our church band practice tonight. Real nice guy. Brought his Taylor (one of the less ornate ones) of which he was real proud. I had my OFC slothead (click!). Major difference in sound, the Taylor being very inferior. Not just different, it was weak. And afterward, when he played my guitar, he sounded much much better. I have no doubt that almost every Ovation I own would sound better than that Taylor.
So many people buy guitars (or don't buy them) on perception, not on actual sound or playability. Just like many people base their opinion on Ovations on the cheap imports, many people buy Taylors on the reputation.
Maybe I am on topic in this thread with this post.... |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | funny how it works isn't it.....
Paul, your remarks reminded me of listening to National Lampoons "Lemmings" with MusicMike on the way to Amelia Isle.... |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
So many people buy guitars (or don't buy them) on perception, not on actual sound or playability. Just like many people base their opinion on Ovations on the cheap imports, many people buy Taylors on the reputation.
Very True that , but how Taylor got that reputation is beyond me
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I had my OFC slothead (click!). that would be DING |
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Location: Queens, NY | I wasn't happy about it. It kind of defeats the purpose of the whole LX thing, which was to help differentiate between USA and Korean Ovations. Now I guess there will be both USA and Korean LX models. Also, the fact that Balladeers were made in the USA I think was a big selling point. Even though Korean Balladeers will certainly be cheaper, I'm not sure they'll be as popular.
On the other hand, it will help streamline the production of the remaining USA models (similar necks, etc).
All I can say now is the Ovation Legend is starting to look good to me. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by alpep:
Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I had my OFC slothead (click!). that would be DING
Ding! |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by HumblePie aka Solid Top:
Very True that , but how Taylor got that reputation is beyond me
Vic Alot of people ASSUME that because they bought the most Expensive guitar in the store, they must've bought the best.
Often true, but not always... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Good point OMA,
and another good example in other areas is SONY.
You PAY MORE for the Sony brand name.
Are their products the best? Sometimes but not always... but you do know going in that you will pay a premium for the Sony name. |
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Location: Huntington Beach, CA | All in all, I think with US made instruments you don't have to test/inspect as many to find the one for you, as you do with particularly Asian made instruments. Materials, manufacturing methods, QA, etc. may be different and unlikely "better" than US manufacturing. The point of foreign manufacturing is to take advantage of lower labor and overhead costs. That doesn't mean labor is equal in skill, just cheaper in price.
Get the US models while you can and switch focus from Ovation to Adamas. In my opinion, Guild still makes quality instruments in limited production in the US but the Chinese made Guilds are garbage. Thanks Fender!
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Location: Nashville TN. | I just see so nameplates as iconic.
Coupe Deville, Corvette etc
Put the Balladeer name in with those.
I'd rather see it retireed than used non us model. |
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Anyone else not happy....
