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How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?

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EricGagne
Posted 2015-01-14 6:31 PM (#504736)
Subject: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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I feel so stupid for asking this.

I play with a open hand and pinky and 3th finger always touch the lower epaulet which "sticks out" since it's glued on the body.

Is there any other open hand players here ? How do you manage to stay clear of the epaulet ? I don't enjoy playing on my Ovation because I'm always scared that with time, it will get all worn off.



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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2015-01-14 11:48 PM (#504742 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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Some would advise changing your style of playing to preserve your instrument. My view... play your guitar with abandon or put it behind glass and get something you care less about. Guitars will show evidence of being played. My lower epi on my Adamas has significant wear. It is what it is. Doesn't matter to me, it will be in my estate sale. It's been lovingly cared for, but it's been played. And it shows. If I could say the same for my ex, she might not be my ex.
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TAFKAR
Posted 2015-01-14 11:53 PM (#504743 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?



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Sounds like your action with your arm is too long. This Bellamy brothers video shows the wrong (left) and right (right) way to do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dft63gHqqKo

Secondly, it's a good idea to play with your fingers tucked in, as this allows a faster action (like when figure skaters spin faster when they bring their arms in). I try only to extend my fingers when I'm using my palm to muffle the strings.
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2015-01-15 12:09 AM (#504744 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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Whats wrong for one player... is right for another. Is Willie wrong? Old thread...
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2015-01-15 1:34 AM (#504746 - in reply to #504744)
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Jonmark Stone - 2015-01-14 10:09 PM

Is Willie wrong?...

For using a pick with nylon strings?

Or for wearing a hole in Trigger with his pinky finger?
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Darkbar
Posted 2015-01-15 5:53 AM (#504747 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?



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I agree with JS. So, if you plan on selling the guitar down the road, lock it up so you don't hurt it. Otherwise, play with abandon...
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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2015-01-15 6:39 AM (#504748 - in reply to #504743)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?



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richard.parker - 2015-01-15 6:53 AM Sounds like your action with your arm is too long. This Bellamy brothers video shows the wrong (left) and right (right) way to do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dft63gHqqKo ...

 

Seems the left one never learned it. That's why they use solid bodys today.

 



Edited by Koenig Kurt 2015-01-15 6:41 AM
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DanSavage
Posted 2015-01-15 9:18 AM (#504752 - in reply to #504743)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?



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richard.parker - 2015-01-14 9:53 PM

Sounds like your action with your arm is too long. This Bellamy brothers video shows the wrong (left) and right (right) way to do it.


The one on the left is what I call an arm-swinger. The one on the right is a wrist-twister.

Wrist-twisting allows you strum faster and with more control because there's less mass to move than swinging your whole arm.

But, as others have pointed out, it's a musical instrument, not a museum-piece. If preservation is the goal, then don't play it.

Edited by DanSavage 2015-01-15 9:23 AM
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SOBeach
Posted 2015-01-15 10:15 AM (#504754 - in reply to #504747)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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darkbarguitar - I agree with JS. So, if you plan on selling the guitar down the road, lock it up so you don't hurt it. Otherwise, play with abandon...

+1    Play it or display it.


Ya may want to try one of the Os with inlaid eppies or no eppies at all.   

 
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EricGagne
Posted 2015-01-17 6:38 AM (#504797 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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Thanks for the comments.

I don't plan on selling it (anymore) so I'm not too concerned about value. I just think it would be a shame to damage a fine hand made instrument. Especially now that they stopped making them in north america
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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2015-01-17 10:44 AM (#504803 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?



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If you don't break it, your heirs will.
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tpa
Posted 2015-01-17 2:23 PM (#504811 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: RE: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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EricGagne - 2015-01-14 6:31 PM
I play with a open hand ...

Assuming you mean the fretting (normally right) hand. So do I .. to some extent. I am a "wrist-twister" though. I sometimes challenge my playing technique and close the strumming hand. Mainly because I think it looks more cool. I imagine that the arm-swinger technique requires a lot of energy, and I am a lazy person. Clearly also the Bellamy Brothers were more energetic in the past.
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DanSavage
Posted 2015-01-17 7:04 PM (#504821 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?



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No, I think he means with the strumming hand. I checked myself and I strum with a closed hand.
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EricGagne
Posted 2015-01-17 8:20 PM (#504822 - in reply to #504736)
Subject: RE: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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Yes I mean the strumming hand. I play fingerstyle a lot and when strumming I don't use a pick, I just use my thumb and 1st finger together and I just leave my other fingers in their natural position which means they're partially closed so they keep rubbing against the epaulet.

That's how I played all my life and it's very hard to change now.

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d'ovation
Posted 2015-01-17 8:46 PM (#504823 - in reply to #504822)
Subject: RE: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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EricGagne - 2015-01-17 7:20 PM  I just use my thumb and 1st finger together and I just leave my other fingers in their natural position which means they're partially closed so they keep rubbing against the epaulet.

The large variety of reight-hand approaches is fascinating. I play with a pick  but to be able to hold on to it I use the middle finger and not index finger as we're supposed to. As for strumming, I think that the subtle wrist technique may work if you play amplified. But I only play acoustic (with mid sized bowl) so to have dynamics for the pianissimo pieces I use wrist, whereas if I want fortissimo I need to use the whole arm moved out of the shoulder to giver 'er.



Edited by d'ovation 2015-01-17 8:47 PM
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EricGagne
Posted 2015-01-17 9:02 PM (#504824 - in reply to #504823)
Subject: Re: How do you stay clear of the epaulets ?


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I can't play loud because I live in an apartment with paper walls so I only use a pick and amplifier when I play my Epiphone DOT with headphones. I so wish the CT factory was still opened, I'd send it in to have the epaulets inlaid.

Edited by EricGagne 2015-01-17 9:03 PM
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tpa
Posted 2015-01-18 11:35 AM (#504835 - in reply to #504736)
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I meant "strumming hand" as well - sorry.
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