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Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?

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gacktc
Posted 2005-01-13 9:00 PM (#166480)
Subject: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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Just curious... it just seems to me that the multiple sound hole 5 piece epaulet "rosette" means that's 5 pieces of wood sitting on top of the soundboard, and because of their irregular / angular shape and the large area of the top that they cover, wouldn't that hamper the vibration of the soundboard at least to some extent?
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alpep
Posted 2005-01-13 9:05 PM (#166481 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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cruster
Posted 2005-01-13 9:10 PM (#166482 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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That reminds me...anyone have links to the photos of Ovation doing the laser interferometer (or whatever it was) top testing? I saw some somewhere, but can't find them any more.
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-01-14 7:13 AM (#166483 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?



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I don't think there is a huge amount of top vibration going on in the area where the epaulets are. Plus the holes would make the vibration patterns in that area pretty fugged up anyway, so my guess would be that the epaulets don't hurt the sound. Some would argue that they do hurt the eyes. Dave
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2005-01-14 8:44 AM (#166484 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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Originally posted by gacktc:
Just curious... it just seems to me that the multiple sound hole 5 piece epaulet "rosette" means that's 5 pieces of wood sitting on top of the soundboard, and because of their irregular / angular shape and the large area of the top that they cover, wouldn't that hamper the vibration of the soundboard at least to some extent?


I was just looking at the Ovation website again yesterday at the new features of the LX upgrade. Under the part about the new inlaid epaulets it says this:

"The exotic wood leaf-shaped "epaulets" are now inlaid into the top with laser precision. The new cleaner design actually offers a slight sound enhancement."

If Ovation does do any interferometric testing of the tops, then I suppose they would know. But I doubt that it makes that much difference. Would love to see those pictures Cruster is talking about.
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Beal
Posted 2005-01-14 9:16 AM (#166485 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?



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Interferometric testing has been banned in Connecticut. Blame it on the liberals. They thought they were protecting the cows.
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cliff
Posted 2005-01-14 10:03 AM (#166486 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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MWoody
Posted 2005-01-14 10:12 AM (#166487 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?



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So...
If Interferometric testing is outlawed, only Outlaws will be doing Interferometric testing?

Cool!
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2005-01-14 10:22 AM (#166488 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?
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yeah way cool! but what's that fuzzy thing w/the hand in the left foreground?

glenn
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Northcountry
Posted 2005-01-14 10:36 AM (#166489 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?
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Funny I was wondering this as well.

Using thin hardwoods I drilled out the various sized sound holes.
I have cut out the leafed shapes from these nice pieces of Walnut, birdseye maple, cherry, oak, and ebony. These blanks I have are 3/8" think and I plan to relief carve these Epaulets. I want them to look like leaves that are curled up and have the, super detailed, stems and veins. I have some nice yellow's and red's to stain a few of the pieces so it looks like fall foliage. I think I can remove the epaulet's that are on the guitar now with almost no damage (using a small heat blanket) so they can be replaced if the next owner, after I am "past caring", wants them replaced.

I will post photo's of this when I am done.

I thought about what the sound difference would be and I really do not think the vibrations of the top and the sounds it creates will suffer from my medling.

Randy

Having said this am I correct in thinking that glue will release with some heat? or is it some super epoxy that will survive a nuke????
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willard
Posted 2005-01-14 10:39 AM (#166490 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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cliff
Posted 2005-01-14 12:32 PM (#166491 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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TRboy
Posted 2005-01-14 12:40 PM (#166492 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?



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The fuzzy thing in the pic looks like Master Templeman's head!!! (don't know about the hand.... :eek: )
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cliff
Posted 2005-01-14 12:43 PM (#166493 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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an4340
Posted 2005-01-14 12:57 PM (#166494 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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The poor guy probably gets the same comments all the time, like, said in an Ahnold voice: "Sign zee pahpers old geetar, or I vill blahst you en zee zoundhole." He's probably heard 'em all.
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gacktc
Posted 2005-01-14 12:58 PM (#166495 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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wow, that testing rig looks interesting... what does "interefometric testing" do?
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cliff
Posted 2005-01-14 1:05 PM (#166496 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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Joyful Noise
Posted 2005-01-14 6:33 PM (#166497 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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Originally posted by gacktc:
wow, that testing rig looks interesting... what does "interefometric testing" do?


Here's a link to a one manufacturer of interferometric test equipment. It has some interesting examples of some various test results. Check out the 3D loudspeaker.

interferometric test equipment
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cruster
Posted 2005-01-14 6:54 PM (#166498 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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That is awesome. Now, where are the animated interferomter pics of the Adamas top? :)
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Stevechapman
Posted 2005-01-14 7:29 PM (#166499 - in reply to #166480)
Subject: Re: Does the "Epaulet" design hamper the vibration of the top?


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well, That the best I can come up with, and it makes perfect sense. Don't ya think?
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