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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | :confused: :( Im new here so hope its alright to post about an Adamas. I need your help please! I bought the Adamas guitar on ebay. It arrived safely from America to the UK, but when I looked at it closely the pre-amp was not what saw advertised with the guitar I'd bought. The ad said it had a OP50 pre-amp and this has arrived with only an OP30. I am not an expert so I thought you guys might be able to help me.
Should 1598's 12 string come with a OP50 pre-amp and what would you expect to pay for a 1598 with a OP30 in it instead, and b) how much with an OP50? I think I've probably been swindled but need to know info before I complain.
Also please can someone let me know if the XLR socket will work with only the OP30 fitted.
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Location: Scotland | Sounds like a mistake rather than a deliberate attempt at a rip-off. If the guitar has an XLR output then it should have an Op50 preamp. The Op30 is not compatible with the Op50, so you'll need to contact the seller & ask what happened. As a dealer I can get Op50 modules from Ovation's UK distributor if necessary, but the seller should sort this out for you. |
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Thanks Paul for the info. Do you have any idea how much an OP50 would be including VAT? |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | When last I asked they were about $150 - $175 USD plus...
Make sure the OP-50 will fit in the plastic molded "pocket" YOU have because the XLR op-50 is differnt, has more contacts for the XLR, than the pocket for the OP-30...
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Thanks for the gen. How much then is a pocket to fit the pre-amp slot then, as the socket in the guitar seems to be the one that fits the OP30, and yet there is the XLR socket on the 'rump' of the guitar.
Are the pockets very different inside? |
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Location: SoCal | The "pockets" are called "cans" by Ovation. And yeah, what works for an OP30 won't work for an OP50. |
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Does the OP30 amplify a 1598 at all? or does it just cause distortion?
I am pretty fed up that this has happened as I paid a lot of extra dosh to get a model with the OP50, and now I find it hasn't got what it was advertised with. I've now e-mailed my seller and am waiting for a reply as to what has happened. |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | Another question begs to be asked... What saddle do you have... Click on this link, go to page 2, INCREASE THE SIZE TO 150% or so and it shows all 3 types of saddles... You should have the top one for a Pro-50 preamp...
http://www.ovationguitars.com/img/guitar/OvationCatalog_2002.pdf
The top one was also called the "Original" pickup, as it was the first design Ovation used... It senses EACH string individually, with 6 piezos and 6 wires, with a 7th ground wire.
ALL the other styles, have one long strip with 2 wires... 2 totally different designs...
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Hi I found it hard to tell which saddle, the top one you mention seems to have some lycra or plastic either side of the saddle as mountings, mine doesn't have that. I think it probably looks like the middle one but I am not sure.
I purchased the guitar on ebay and the seller there has a few pictures, so I was wondering if you'd mind having a look there for me. I am not sure how to make the thing below an html link on this bulletin board, but if you copy and paste into your browser the auction pages is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759442879
I hope I haven't been sold something that perports to be one thing when it is something else. Certainly there is the XLR socket there, so it's a bit strange. My seller says he has made no alterations to the guitar so perhaps he was duped. Or, could it be that there were lower specs for a 2003 guitar. |
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Location: Scotland | The pickup in your guitar is an Ovation Tru-Balance, now discontinued on the Adamas, but current when that model was new. If he bought it in '03 it could have been in a store for a while, so the pickup type is correct, the preamp module is not. Maybe the store he bought it at installed the wrong preamp. If the seller can't make good try to negotiate a discount & I can talk to the service department at the UK distributor about getting an Op50 module for you. My email adrress can be found at the link above. |
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Thanks for your help. When exactly then did they stop putting on the tru balance saddle please? Do you or anyone else know? This guitar was according to my seller purchased in Nov 2003. |
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Location: SoCal | Just because a guitar was purchased in a specific year, it doesn't follow that the guitar was built in that same year. I bought my Adamas 12 string in 1996. According to the serial number, It was built in 1993.
Use the serial number in the guitar with the information in the reference section at the Ovation homepage to determine when your guitar was built.
But Temp's right. The OP30 is all wrong. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | That is a beautiful guitar, don't give up!
I have noticed several pre-amp swaps in local Music stores (probably done by customers). Good point to look out for.
Hang in there! |
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Thanks for everyones comments. Keep them rolling in. The more I know the better. The guitar is beautiful and in near mint condition, I am pleased with the guitar itself. The action is brillant and it plays brilliantly acoustically. I was just a bit shocked as I said earlier that the OP50 had been replaced by a lower spec as I'd specifically looked for a guitar with OP50 or above and that's what the ad said it had on it. I was hoping to use the XLR socket regularly. It costs a lot of money to import a guitar into the UK because of HM Customs, so getting the wrong preamp and paying duty on it is a bit unfortunate to say the least. The orion blue book says it is worth just a tad under what I paid for it, but if I want to make the guitar "right" now it's going to cost me a tidy sum and make the guitar overpriced compared with the going rate on Orion.
I've found out by looking on Ovation's pages and looking at the headstock no that my guitar was made in 2002 |
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Location: Scotland | UK distributor has Op50 modules available from stock. Let me know if you want one |
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Hi Paul
Don't want one just yet, as I just bought the guitar and paid about £80 postage, and nearly £163 duty on top of that. I'm getting a bit skint. Ill bear your offer in mind. I am going to see if I can get some compensation of some sort because the ad was misleading. If successful then I'd be interested in the OP50. If not I may have to save up again before I can buy. How much are they anyway including VAT? and are they available in the UK so I don't have to pay import duty again? I know Abendicum said the price in US$, but because of Her majesty's customs it may be a bit more for a dealer to supply over here. |
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Location: SoCal | Is the OP30 working at all? In an earlier post you indicated that there was distortion. I would guess that the OP30 won't work with the can from an OP50. |
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Location: Scotland | On my last tour I tried an Op50 in the Op30 can on my MOB and it kinda worked, I seem to remember that output was down & it was a little noisy. An Op30 may work in an Op50 can but the XLR probably wont work.
I have prices, email me. |
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Paul Moody: in answer to your question, yes the OP30 does work but it's little a bit distorted on a 1/4 jack, it's not terrible, but not as good as I'd like. I haven't tried the XLR yet as I'd need the whole PA system up to try it. I don't think I've got a suitable adapter to use on my home amp.
I'll e-mail Paul T in a minute for the prices. Interesting what he said about putting the OP50 in an OP30 MOB can. |
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Hi Paul Templeton I tried to e-mail you about the cost of an OP50, and I wondered if you got the mail?
Also can you let me know how much an OP30 is, so that I can work out the difference in price between them. Thanks |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | When you get the costs sorted out, for the OP50 swap, email the wanker that sold you the guitar...
Seller information
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Tell Mr. sugarbuz (sounds too close to "sugarbritches" to not mention it... Anyway tell him his unblemished record of 100% on e-bay is in "jeopardy" unless he makes you happy...
You might even sell the OP-30 on e-bay or "trade" it back to him to offset the costs you may incure... Mr. Sugarbritches copied a "newer" add for the "guitar specs" he presented on e-bay... and probably did not know the difference...
After you make him aware of his error, he may opt to do the honorable thing and square up with you... Given the chance most people like the option to do it right.
Try reminding, him of the "Golden Rule" do unto others as you would have them do unto you... Try sending him a copy of all these posts. That might help. Good luck |
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Location: Cambridgeshire, UK | Hi The latest update is that the OP30 does work after a fashion on the XLR socket. Ovation factory in Hartford thought it might work so I gave it a try. They also confirmed however that OP30's were never sent out on any 1598's, even two year old ones.
Mr Sugar buzz isn't being very helpful and just saying you got a good deal why do you want a OP50 anyway it doesn't have the same frequency response as the OP30 and other things like that.
The other thing is does anyone know where Paul Templeman is? I'd love to hear from him about those pre-amp prices. |
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Location: SoCal | Temp is up in the northern part of the country (just him and the sheep). He's a good guy to know regarding all this stuff (and just in general).
When you leave feedback, while you shouldn't go negative, if the seller isn't willing to make good and provide you with the COMPLETE guitar you purchased, you shouldn't leave higher than a neutral feedback. |
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Help please - need Info on Adamas 1598 12string
