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Location: NJ | what do you think about Brian Wilson? I think he is a genuis and that it is really a shame he took so many drugs that he cannot sing anymore or write any more music. The potential that man has/had is incredible. Tell us what your opinion is...
sorry gang between the 24 hr war channel on tv and this message board turning into a bash fest I felt the need to get into another topic |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Al,I don't know much about Brian Wilson. But that did get me thinking if I ever saw the beach boys using Ovations. Did anyone ever see them with Ovations? Thanks....Paul Hebert |
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Location: Parkersburg, WV | I can only think of two words to confirm he is/was a genius - PET SOUNDS. If we need an Ovation connection for this thread, I recall someone taking his place on tour when he began to have anxiety problems. Someone named Glen Campbell. I think he played Ovations. :rolleyes: |
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Location: Tennessee | Just a stray bit of trivia ... Barry Manilow's signature tune "I Write The Songs" was actually written by Bruce Johnston (of the Beach Boys) in honor of Brian Wilson.
Pet Sounds was so far out there that it caused Paul and John to rethink what they were doing with their music, and sent them off on a journey which resulted in Sgt. Peppers. When the best in the business consider Wilson's work genius, who am I to argue?
I think it just proves that the line between genius and insanity is very, very thin. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | He may be, he may not. One thing I'm sure of, I could live the rest of my life never hearing Ba-Ba Bafucking Ann again. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | We used to go to cruise night with the 59 Caddies. Lots of fun, nice old cars and all that. Did it both in CT and in FLA. I stopped going because the music sucked so bad. How many times can you listen to little deuce coupe? These people don't get it! (or maybe it's me) They want car music, how about Danny Gatton? the Hellecasters? Tower of Power? Cold Blood? NO!!!! It BA BA BA little deuce surfer girl. And the same rotation every week. Ferghetaboutit! |
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Location: Alabama | I think Brian Wilson deninately was a brilliant talent. Like so many brilliant talents of his generation, also a tragic story. How many times can i listen to Little Deuce Coup? I'll let you know when I get there. The creation of the Beach Boys sound was genius I think and I would suggest that John Fogertys creation of the Creedence Clearwater Revival sound also genius. Both great American hit making machines, and instantly recognizable. The timeless quality of these songs and the their continued acceptance by new generations is testament to their authors talent. |
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Location: NJ | The Hellecasters!!!!!!!
oh man...I was up in CT last fall and broke down so I called Kim Keller and he picked me up in some one horse town up there where they roll the side walk up at 5pm on friday and don't roll it out again until 9 am on monday morning.
Well I crashed with Kim and we spent the weekend watching a hellecasters video and Jerry Springer tapes. I don't know how many times we turned that tape back and said "how the hell do they do that"
Imspired me so much that I am putting together a tele knockoff with a b bender. I know I will not be will ray but it will be cool trying.
btw I told that story to john jorgensen at the last namm show and he laughed and said "you know Will ray is a lot like Jerry Springer"
As for Brian Wilson. I was never a fan of their early stuff. I can appreciate it for what it is but much like the wall and dark side of the moon if I never hear that stuff again in this life time there is not a problem.
I do love pet sounds and smiley smile and think that the music on those records is some of the finest. Van dyke parks wrote some really strange words and when you say therimen most people think of good vibrations.
In another part of my life I sell old car parts and if I walk past one more booth with one more bozo selling bootleg tapes of 50/early 60's
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Location: Seattle | I'd put Brian Wilson in the catagory of big fat slobs who are also genius's. Also in that club would be Llowell George, Oliver Hardy, Joe Walsh (seen him lately?) and Jimi Hendrix, who would have ballooned just like Walsh if he had lived to get sober. OK...maybe not...but I ran out of BFSG's.
Thanks for the fresh topic.
Long live Ovation |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | He's probably a genius, I just don't want to listen anymore.
I agree about the 50's car tapes. Ever notice that it's all the same old spoo? The other thing is that some of the best music of the 60's is all the motown stuff. Still sounds great today. All these old car guys must have some problem with blacks? They only listen to white music and it mostly all sucks. The "soul" music is what has the lasting power over time. |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | All of us can probably list songs YOU NEVER WANT TO HEAR AGAIN - I sometimes put the radio dial on DFWs "oldies" station and it's like there was only 200 songs or so from the 50's, 60's and 70's.
That being said, I think Brian Wilson is a genius. Laying next to my family's old console stereo and cranking up the 45 of Good Vibrations when the parents were gone is a boyhood memory that I can't really describe the feeling it now brings.
But, my favorite Beach Boy's song is Sail On, Sail On, Sailor from the Holland LP. |
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Location: NJ | cwk2
you are right about the old car guys. Very limited scope of acceptable music to them. Personally If I hear born to be wild one more time at a car show it will make me nuts.
another place I frequent has a white guy who sells bootleg tapes of old blues and gospel tapes his customer are rarely black and mostly white. It is a crazy world we live.
cwk2 I am sure you have seen the box of 6 tapes that have every car song you ever would need to hear at a car show. We need to do something about that guy. |
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Location: Germantown, MD | Somebody (I can't remember who) wrote that Brian Wilson articulated what it was to be a teenager in the Sixties, and while some of his (mostly earlier) music got badly overplayed, there are songs that probably can't be. Some of them (maybe "Surfer Girl," "In My Room," "Fun, Fun, Fun" recall experiences for a lot of people; others ("Good Vibrations") have the same kind of engaging complexity that a good wine has. And some of his stuff (maybe "Be True to Your School" and various odes to cars) wasn't so great to begin with. I think the great stuff outweighs the not-so-great.
He's got some staying power. We saw him open for Paul Simon summer before last. Okay, he's fat. Okay, he really can't perform anymore. But somehow he had pulled together a band that could get the (admittedly aging) crowd going by playing (mostly) Beach Boys stuff. Simon came on, played arrangements that he obviously had tried to update, and really didn't capture the audience as much as Wilson and his band had.
Even if we're sick of "Little Deuce Coupe," there sure seems to be something there. Is Al asking what that something is? If not, I'll ask it.
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Location: NJ | i saw Brian wilson perform at the Elton JOhn show at the last Namm show in anaheim. He had 3 back up singers with him as he got further and further out of tune and could no longer read the words off the telepromptor his vocal mic got less audible.
It was great to see him live finally but in a way very sad. |
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Location: San Francisco, CA | GENIUS++++++++++++++++++ |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Genius. I too saw B. Wilson at the benefit concert at NAMM. Although a little sad to see his condition, you could hear and see glimmers of the genius inside. He started out ok, and then got a little weaker and moved off key, but frankly I heard a lot of off key notes that night and at most concerts I have attended. His less-than-stellar performance didn't seem to matter to anyone. He looked like he was having fun, and that's really all that matters in any performance. |
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Location: SoCal | I agree, genius. Brian Wilson wrote and produced some wonderful music in the 60's.
If you want to see a former Beach Boy who is never out of tune, catch Glen Campbell in concert sometime. Almost 67 years old and his guitar chops are still right on. And, while he doesn't have the range he used to, he hits every damn note. |
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Location: NJ | Paul
there was a good biography of Glenn on the biography channel a week ago. It was really cool talked about his whole career and plenty of killer Ovations to check out also. |
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Location: SoCal | Al:
CMT showed some old Goodtime Hour shows for a couple of months. It was so cool seeing, from 30 years ago, Glen playing shinny bowl GC models, Thunderheads, later GC models, 12 strings, classicals (Jerry Reed was playing them also), etc. And he was playing with people like Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, Merle Haggard, and others. And the guitars sounded great acoustically, straight into a microphone or picked up the the overhead mics. No electronics in the early days. And he's a helluva great player. |
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Location: Bethel, Me | Have to go with genius. Though his mind is only a shell of what it once was. Saw him in NJ with Paul Simon in 2001. He blew Simon away. Though he did wander off the stage, near the end, in the middle of a song... |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | RIGHT-ON MOODY,P.I.!!! Glen is a musical(guitar) genuis - and the man has perfect pitch!
oh yeah, Brian Wilsons o.k.....
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Brian Wilson Genius or big fat talentless slob?
