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dobro
Posted 2014-01-16 10:55 PM (#481309)
Subject: This confuses me



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For all my "O" years and OFC experience, I completely missed this one. Saw one pictured in a fancy guitar shop. An Ovation with "F-holes"? I thought it was a photoshop joke. Can it be?

Yup. Never knew, never hear of the Malmsteen signature, but here there it was. Oy!

http://iheartguitarblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/YM63_full.jp...
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Damon67
Posted 2014-01-16 11:26 PM (#481310 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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and scalloped fretboard too
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2014-01-17 2:24 AM (#481312 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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Looks like it's missing something...


Oh yeah... Those!

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Patch
Posted 2014-01-17 8:39 AM (#481319 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: RE: This confuses me



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I'd love to test drive one. I love the EA vipers, so these defintiely get my curiosity up.
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alpep
Posted 2014-01-17 11:08 AM (#481323 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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they may have changed it to f holes
who knows
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d'ovation
Posted 2014-01-17 1:25 PM (#481335 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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They have been on the ovation website for about a year:

http://www.ovationguitars.com/guitars/product/ym68
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stonebobbo
Posted 2014-01-17 1:26 PM (#481336 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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The Yngwie signature models have f-holes instead of the outies. Cool guitars.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2014-01-17 1:37 PM (#481337 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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They have had F-holes since 2012 or so...
It is a Fender thing... Created by people who want to "Fix" Ovations.
To make Ovations look like every other guitar.
The same people who think that Ovations need bridge pins.

BTW-- The epaulets worked for Yngwie before...


Edited by Old Man Arthur 2014-01-17 1:52 PM
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Damon67
Posted 2014-01-17 4:45 PM (#481339 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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Jeez OMA.... pissy Cherios this morning?

I doubt there was any Fender backed conspiracies here. It's a "Signature" model, which usually means the artist takes a guitar that he's always liked and tweaked it to be his own.

Yngwie isn't a soft spoken dude. From what I've seen and read in the past, if he doesn't like something he'll tell you.

I've been wanting to try one since they came out, especially with the scallops.

In my opinion, they're very cool guitars.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2014-01-17 7:25 PM (#481342 - in reply to #481339)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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damon67 - 2014-01-17 2:45 PM

Jeez OMA.... pissy Cherios this morning?

Ran outta Cinnamon Toast Crunch

I have seen many "Yngwie Malsteem" guitars on d'Bay... Mostly Fenders.
I am not sure that I understand the scalloped fingerboard and I have never been able to find one in the local music shops to try-out.

Also, I don't believe that they make "Regular" EA and CV Vipers any longer.
According to the "Wayback Machine" they switched them all in 2012.
"Regular" epaulet Vipers were on the website in 2011.
(no point here... just sayin')
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Darkbar
Posted 2014-01-17 7:34 PM (#481344 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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I thought it was funny that with his "alt" persona, he wore a Wall Street Rolex watch when he played...
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alpep
Posted 2014-01-18 10:02 AM (#481350 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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I think I remember some yngwie models with epi's but I could be wrong.
they may have been prototypes

epi's may be on the way out. who knows.

I certainly don't

I'll be meeting with the product manager at namm he says he has something to show me......
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MWoody
Posted 2014-01-18 6:38 PM (#481361 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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I'm with OMA and I had a mushroom-turkey-swiss omelet with toast.

"he has something to show me..."
Just hold on to your innocense Al and hope for the best!
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Cavalier
Posted 2014-01-19 5:06 PM (#481374 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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I scalloped the fretboard on a electric years ago. Scallops can help with bending and chording as there is no wood in the way of your fingertips. An awkward bar chord becomes easier to hold down and for wild bends you can get a better angle with your finger further down. It encourages a lighter touch which may help speed for some. It is a subtle change though, I didn't feel the need to scallop everything I have with frets.
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TAFKAR
Posted 2014-01-19 6:51 PM (#481378 - in reply to #481350)
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alpep - 2014-01-19 3:02 AM
I'll be meeting with the product manager at namm he says he has something to show me......


I do hope you'll share with us.

We promise not to tell anyone!
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AstroDan
Posted 2014-01-20 3:08 PM (#481381 - in reply to #481374)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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Cavalier - 2014-01-19 5:06 PM I scalloped the fretboard on a electric years ago. Scallops can help with bending and chording as there is no wood in the way of your fingertips. An awkward bar chord becomes easier to hold down and for wild bends you can get a better angle with your finger further down. It encourages a lighter touch which may help speed for some. It is a subtle change though, I didn't feel the need to scallop everything I have with frets.

 

What, exactly, does it mean to "scallop" the fret board?

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TAFKAR
Posted 2014-01-20 3:54 PM (#481386 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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On 99.9% of guitars the fretboard is flat (or started life that way). A scalloped fretboard curves down between each fret - sort of like a little ditch between frets. This can make it easier to avoid buzzing, but the extra bend on the strings can sharpen the note - which is fine if that's what you're aiming for, but not so good if you're trying to play exactly that note. I tried one many years ago and didn't like it.
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Cavalier
Posted 2014-01-21 10:49 AM (#481399 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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Yes, a lighter touch is needed. Tall frets, like those on a zither do the same job- keeping your finger off the fingerboard. When modifying a guitar it is important to leave some wood over the truss rod.
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AstroDan
Posted 2014-01-21 12:38 PM (#481403 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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Ah!
Thank you.
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Damon67
Posted 2014-01-21 2:55 PM (#481407 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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I have a Peavey Falcon 'Active' that's scalloped. I bought it sight unseen over the phone at Guitar Center. They neglected to inform me the fretboard was scalloped and when it showed up I was not a happy customer... Then I started playing it and put it down a few hours later. It really is a joy to play and much easier to bend/vibrato. I find your typical "shredding" seems a bit easier, but there is a learning curve.

I kept it. Still called them and gave 'em an earful though.

Dan, here's what it looks like....



Yngwie uses Fender Strats, but I'm not a fan. This one has better controls (including placement), stacked and active pickups, and a bomb dropping trem.... A true shredder.

May as well show the rest. It's a great guitar.

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Damon67
Posted 2014-01-21 3:02 PM (#481408 - in reply to #481309)
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FWIW, y'all should check out the Vietnamese scalloped guitars. They actually have super thick fretboards so they can scallop even deeper, then incorporate pushing in, or maybe the correct term is downwards to create extreme bends and vibrato.

Weird shite.
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Designzilla
Posted 2014-01-22 7:23 AM (#481428 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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I don't know if he was originator, but the first time I ever heard of e scalloped fretboard was John McLaughlin back in the 70s. He had a special Shakti Guitar made with a bunch of drone strings and a scalloped fretboard. At the time he was playing in his acoustic group Shakti. He said he was inspired by the sitar, which has frets that are curved upward so there is space between the frets and fingerboard. The idea was that his fingers did not actually touch the fingerboard and it created a totally unique sound and style of playing.
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Cavalier
Posted 2014-01-22 10:52 AM (#481433 - in reply to #481408)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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damon67 - 2014-01-21 1:02 PM

FWIW, y'all should check out the Vietnamese scalloped guitars. They actually have super thick fretboards so they can scallop even deeper, then incorporate pushing in, or maybe the correct term is downwards to create extreme bends and vibrato.

Weird shite.



This takes more effort than you would think and can actually put fret kinks into the strings.
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Damon67
Posted 2014-01-22 1:03 PM (#481435 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me



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Here's some Vietnamese Blues for you....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raxvU9-yxL4

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Cavalier
Posted 2014-01-22 1:57 PM (#481439 - in reply to #481309)
Subject: Re: This confuses me


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Those bends are horizontal.....I like the tonality, it says the guitarist is Japanese and based his composition on Vietnamese folk music and borrowed the guitar from a friend.
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