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BanjoJ
Posted 2016-07-10 6:08 PM (#526594)
Subject: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia		At some of the venues I play at the sound guys make comment on my Ute 'booming' or sounding 'muddy'.

As we all know, O's and A's have a strong bottom end, more so than most other guitars.

What I'm looking for are tips on how to guide the sound people on mixing my guitars - and also on my own EQ settings.

Thanks ...
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Cavalier
Posted 2016-07-11 11:25 AM (#526596 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound


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Location: undisclosed		I like to play through a amp/personal monitor and send a signal to the board from it. Then the sound is already what I want and they just keep the dials at 12.
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elginacres
Posted 2016-07-11 10:12 PM (#526607 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound


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Location: Colorado		Only 12?
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Cavalier
Posted 2016-07-12 10:25 AM (#526610 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound


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Location: undisclosed		High noon Nigel Tufnal! Straight up, flat as a pancake.
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BanjoJ
Posted 2016-07-12 8:41 PM (#526626 - in reply to #526596)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia		Thanks for the tip. I don't have a guitar amp, jut a small PA.
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Cavalier
Posted 2016-07-13 11:17 AM (#526639 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound


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Location: undisclosed		Sounds perfect, you can eq your sound yourself to taste and send it along. Fishman or other acoustic full range amps are another way to go as they have full range monitor style speakers. I'm sure you can practice with your PA to work out how much bass to cut when going direct too. One thing that might be worth a trip to the music store is that bigger house PAs are going to have more bass response than you get at home. Once you get used to the difference you'll know where to start.I
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2016-07-13 3:32 PM (#526643 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound


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Location: SoCal		Go down to the 5th page

http://ovationtribute.com/Catalogues/Ovation%20Booklet/Ovation%20Bo...
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BanjoJ
Posted 2016-07-14 12:02 AM (#526647 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: RE: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia		Thanks heaps guys.

The settings from Larry Coryell I fantastic. I'll do some experimenting.

Thank again.

Edited by BanjoJ 2016-07-14 12:03 AM
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Damon67
Posted 2016-07-14 12:46 PM (#526650 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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Location: Jet City		The onboard preamp is pretty limiting. I use a Boss AD-8 to tweak my sound prior to running to the board. There is also the AD3 and AD5, plus numerous other brands and products available. Prior to the AD8, I used my Roland AC60 in a similar fashion as Cavalier, though I did not use the amp as a monitor. I have a dedicated monitor for that purpose which handles the guitar, my vocals, and any other thing coming off the board that I need in it.

Here's an AD-8

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BanjoJ
Posted 2016-07-14 10:38 PM (#526658 - in reply to #526650)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia		Thanks Damon. The AD-8 looks like a very full featured unit. I'll check it out.
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muzza
Posted 2016-07-15 4:54 AM (#526662 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: RE: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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Location: Sunshine State, Australia

I found the perfect solution to stop the boomy bottom end on my C2005ES.

But you won't like what I'm gonna tell ya...



Edited by muzza 2016-07-15 4:58 AM
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leonardmccoy
Posted 2016-07-15 8:13 AM (#526664 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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Location: Katmandu		As far as I recall, Al Di Meola always liked to play his O with the EQ perfectly flat (default middle position), and that's where I'm at as well with my 1717. I'll go and experiment with Coryell's settings as well, though, for my home recordings.

Edited by leonardmccoy 2016-07-15 8:14 AM
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Cavalier
Posted 2016-07-15 9:54 AM (#526665 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound


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Location: undisclosed		I probably should clarify my amp as monitor statement. My amps are set up with full range speakers and I prefer a good stage volume with the amp behind me. That way if all else fails I'm at least sending the sound I want out from somewhere.
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Damon67
Posted 2016-07-15 1:51 PM (#526673 - in reply to #526664)
Subject: Re: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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leonardmccoy - 2016-07-15 6:13 AM As far as I recall, Al Di Meola always liked to play his O with the EQ perfectly flat ...

I've seen Al's setup pretty close. His guitar might be set to flat, but he runs his signal through various effects, EQs, syths, etc.

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PeteJ
Posted 2016-07-15 4:44 PM (#526676 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: RE: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound


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You might take a peek at the L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic D.I. if you haven’t already. It’s been around for quite a while. I play acoustics as well as an ES-175 into one before hitting the PA (Mackie 808S). I use it sparingly, and mostly to fine tune the midrange and add a little high-end sparkle. For rooms that have problem frequencies, I crank the “notch” (straight up is Unity), then sweep the corresponding frequency dial until the bad one jumps out and hits me in the face. Then I leave the frequency dial on the trouble frequency, and dial back the “notch” (- unity) until the boom or feedback is eliminated. Usually I’m good to go after that - other times it calls for more EQ tweaking. Depends on the room, what was notched out, or how neurotic I’m feeling.





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BanjoJ
Posted 2016-07-15 5:19 PM (#526677 - in reply to #526594)
Subject: RE: Looking for Sound Advice on Sound



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Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia		Thanks guys. All good stuff to work on. I'll keep experimenting.
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