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Location: SoCal | Here's an early 1969 GC 12 string on the 'bay. Looks like it could use some top work, but with no reserve, getting it cheap enough and sending it to the factory would make good sense.
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Location: Ballston Lake, N.Y. | I'm tempted to bid. Always wanted a winged bridge shiny bowl twelve string. This comes close. I was always of the mind an instrument held it's value keeping it in original condition regardless of cracks etc? |
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Location: Germany | I'm not absolutely sure, but I don't think it's a shiny bowl. They changed to textured bowls somewhere in the B serial #. Take a close look to the bowl picture. I think it's textured.
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Location: closely held secret | Looks textured to me. |
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Location: SoCal | It is textured, but Zen never said it wasn't. He just said that this was as close as he thought could get to a shiny bowl. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
It is textured, but Zen never said it wasn't. He just said that this was as close as he thought could get to a shiny bowl. Don't you have important work to do? |
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Location: Central Florida | I too wondered about the bowl when I saw this. That bowl IS textured, which I don't think they began doing until very late '69 or early '70. The "B" serial number places the date of manufacture between Nov.'68 and Feb.'69. So, either the textured bowls started way earlier than I thought, or this may be a factory "refurb" of some sort, which is not a bad thing for anyone just looking for a good player with a cool vintage vibe.
For example, I recently bought a lefty "1972" GC 12 string. The reason the year is in quotes is because the only original equipment that remains from '72 are the gold Kluson tuners and foil label. The neck, bowl, top, etc., appear to be from the late 80s - early 90s. But I wasn't looking for a collector's piece. I just wanted a good player in a left handed 12-string O.
My point is, the one currently on ebay MAY have been refurbed at some point. But even if that is the case, it still shouldn't devalue it as a player, only as a collectible. |
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Location: Ballston Lake, N.Y. | I could see from the pic it had a textured bowl. So the winged bridge came on some textured bowls? I'm confused. |
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Location: SoCal | In the late 60's-early 70's there was a lot of overlap in features of the guitars. Ovation would use up parts before going on to new parts. |
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Location: boulder | hey all,
As I understand it, textured bowls began right around this serial #. The label and serial # and winged bridge all seem to make it as the seller states. I am going to bid because this may be as close to a GCDB shiny bowl as I can find and I also really want a slothead 12 string.
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Location: Central Florida | Originally posted by fugot:
As I understand it, textured bowls began right around this serial #. I can't say with absolute certainty one way or the other, but if that guitar is all original, it is without a doubt the FIRST pre-1970 Ovation I've ever seen with a textured bowl. The shiny bowl Deluxe Balladeer I recently sold to GN-Nick was # B-500. So if this is an original textured bowl, it must literally have been one of the first. I think the 1970 catalog even makes reference to the textured bowl as one of the "new for '70" features. I'm confounded... But that's nothing new! :confused: |
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Location: SoCal | I've got a GC 12 string that's identical to the one on the 'bay (somebody replaced the bridge with a later one, and I replaced the original Klusons with the later mini Schalers. It was probably built about 4-6 months after the one on the 'bay, but still in 1969. |
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Location: Germany | I have a 12 string (later called Pacemaker) with winged bridge and textured bowl. Serial # is C-412 which dates it to 1969. |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | I also had one of these; c series with winged bridge and textured bowl although it was in bad shape.
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Note where the body binding meets the neck joint on this 12-string. It seems to be curved downward slightly. Is this the sign of needing a neck reset? Would this affect intonation?
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Location: Central Florida | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I've got a GC 12 string that's identical to the one on the 'bay (somebody replaced the bridge with a later one, and I replaced the original Klusons with the later mini Schalers. It was probably built about 4-6 months after the one on the 'bay, but still in 1969. Paul,
Does your '69 have a textured bowl? |
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Location: SoCal | Probably not but has a couple of bolts on each side of the headstock...frankenguitar :D |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Not to answer for Paul but I know he told me his is a textured bowl.
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Location: SoCal | Yup. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | There is an early shiny bowl, small soundhole balladeer 12-string on ebay also. If it was me, I'd buy them both and put the nice GC neck on the shiny bowl body. Dave |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Do any of you luthier types have an opinion on my question about the neck joint/top binding/neckset?
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I think it's an illusion of the photograph. I say that as a hack photographer, not a luthier. Dave |
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Location: Parrish, FL | I with Dave. It's an optical illusion caused by the way the darker grain runs to the neck.
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Location: Norman, OK | Be sure to run the shipping cost calculator! Holy Guacamole Batman!!
Maybe he just charges extra for Oklahoma :p
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Location: Germany | Sorry guys, I disagree. Wayne, I don't think it's an optical illusion. The binding of my 1969 12-string also curves down exactly as shown in the pics. If I view it from the back I can recognize that the bowl is formed in this way. From my point of view it's not a flaw. Maybe the mold was formed this way in the '69 batch. I have no intonation problems at all and and it's far away from a needed neck reset.
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Early 69 GC 12 string on the 'bay
