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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Just like to remark that it is impressive to see people risking their lives to acquire what I, and most of you were born with, Freedom.
Those Iraqis walked into the voting places as a downtrodden, terribly mistreated and cheated bunch of ordinary people, threatened with their life by a group of thugs who openly derided the freedom to vote. Those thugs, numbering in the thousands were trumped by voters numbering in the millions.
Al Zaquairi (shithead) is faced with the old dilemma, if you have a machine gun and millions and millions of enemy march at you who can reproduce faster than you can machine gun, you better grasp your ass and head for higher ground. Good bye, Al Zaquairi, Hello freedom.
The big joke is that only Al Zaquiari is the subject of a dictator, the Iraqis are FREE. HE is the stupid asshole.
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Location: Central Oregon | Very well put Bailey. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | "Just like to remark that it is impressive to see people risking their lives to acquire what I, and most of you were born with, Freedom"
I'm more concerned with our troops that are over risking their lives. |
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Location: SoCal | We're all concerned with our troops. But there has to be a balance regarding the importance of the mission. If we were only concerned with our troops, we would never have gotten involved in WWII. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | I can't say that I understand the comparison to WWII. That war was a global conflict which threatened the world. Not to mention the fact that we were attacked by Japan.
This war is about us invading another country because Bush needed someone to punish for 9/11. Do you really think that Bush gives a crap if the Iraqis (who danced in the streets on 9/11) have a democracy? |
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Location: SoCal | Yeah, I do think that. Take a look at this. Gives a little history of what's going on.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/ma20050128.shtml
But then who cares about history, or safety. Bush is obviously just doing this to get his rocks off. Oh, sorry, that was Clinton who was big into that. |
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Location: NJ | A very worthwhile read:
Banking On Baghdad
. . . . and I'll leave it at that. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Hey Moody. I'm betting that you didn't get that article from the New York Times, huh ;)
Let's just agree to disagree.
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Location: SoCal | We can do that. And I agree with your comments on different guitars, different sounds, different purposes. What Martins do you own?
What NY Times article? |
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Location: Corvallis, OR | Yes, Moody makes an interesting statement. He uses the phrases " our troops, " and "the mission."
Unfortunatley, he leaves out what he means by "our troops," and "the mission." In WW11, the mission was shared by all Americans,but in Iraq, the mission is NOT shared by all Americans. Only the Pentagon and the conservative machine keep the myth alive.
And what IS the mission ???
Is it to reveal weapons of mass destruction ? There arent any - remember ?
Is the mission to give democracy to a down trodden country? Then we should have invaded Libya or North Korea a long time ago- they have needed it more for a long,long time.
Is the mission to protect the common man from some country's murderous dictator? If so, we should have intervened in the Sudan, where over 50,000 people died of starvation and military brutality in the same time it took Saddam to gas 5000 Kurds.
Is the mission to restore free elections? Then why havent we invaded Communist China (to name one of about twenty) a long, long time ago ?
Is the mission to root out and destroy terrorists? Then we should have invaded Libya a long time ago. They have admitted to harboring terrorist camps, and have admitted responsibility for blowing up an airliner. (remember that ?)
Is the mission to attack the people responsible for 911? Then why didnt we attack Saudi Arabia? War mongers ignore the fact that MOST of the 911 hi-jackers were from Saudi Arabia. NONE of them came from Iraq. None !
The administration keeps changing it's reasons for being there. What is the mission?
Most of the countries mentioned above (Communist China, Libya, North Korea,The Sudan area in Africa) have no plentiful supplies of oil for us. Its true, that Saudi Arabia supplied most of the 911 murderers, but we already have some nice contracts with them to supply us with oil.
The bravery of our troops is not connected to the motivations of the administration. These are two different discussions, and it's time the administration started discussing the reasons for "the mission" . |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Oh man! First politics, now Martins? We're gonna get ourselves kicked out of here :D
I have a DC1E, which is basically a electric cutaway version of a D1. I also have a 000C-16GTE which is an auditorium sized guitar which is very comfortable to play. It's actually fairly similar in size to an Ovation.
My Martins are not the fanciest models but they are very reliable, great playing guitars. I was going to pull the trigger on a nice D-28, but at that price, I'd be afraid to take the thing out on a gig. |
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Location: NJ | WHY do we always "go here"??!!!
This thread's Topic was entitled:
". . Iraqi elections, No politics allowed . ."
Sorry Bailey, but that in itself is a flagrant oxymoron, and I don't see how you can have one without the other . . . . |
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Location: Upper Left USA | It's all about choice. choose your guitar, your Leaders or your god.
It's good to have choice, period. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I'm with you Bailey! |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Personally, I don't see why the occasional political discussion is frowned upon, provided everyone is respectful of one anohter. From my experience, the people on this board seem like likeable, intelligent people and I'm interested in what you all think about important issues.
Apparently, at least some of you agree since the "political" threads seem to take off pretty quickly.
Just my opinion. |
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Location: SoCal | Hey 4fingers, read the column I posted, then we'll talk. Not everybody supported our involvment in WWII. There was radical decension (sp?) even back then.
After you've read the article, take a note from John B (and maybe from me) and we'll steer this conversation back to guitars.
John, I've played some damned fine Martins in all price ranges. Sometimes I've been impressed and sometimes not. And I don't think I've ever played a bad Larivee. I like those guitars. Our lead player at church plays a Larivee. Beautiful acoustically or plugged in. |
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Location: Midland, MI | I used to follow politics and policy avidly, but then I realized what was being presented in the media was not the reality of what was going on.
There's a marvelous quote from Pynchon's 'Gravity's Rainbow' that covers American politics quite nicely:
If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers.
And that's all I'm going to say about that.
Play on! |
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Location: SoCal | Sorry, I support Bailey on this...yes, this is a guitar forum but it is also the only forum many of us participate in.
Late at night in New Mexico, with coyotes howling and crickets chirping, he should be able to make a non-political statement. Take it or leave it - I accept it as non-political. It is a major moment in history. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Moody:
I agree about the Laravee. My friend brought one over a couple of months ago and I was very impressed with it. The sound was excellent and the fit and finish was incredible, especially since it was not even a real high end model. I would certainly consider buying one. |
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Location: NJ | I look at this post. I leave for the post office, I come back log on and find 16 responses.
there are places for politics and it is not the ofc.
there is a big difference between patriotism and nationalism and remember that here in the USA we can barely get 60% of our FREE people to vote.
PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME LOCK THIS THREAD!!
I thought to myself maybe if I just ignore this post it will go away but NOOOOOOOOOOO (in my best john belushi voice) the usual suspects get going on their adgendas. Great take it to a political forum not here. |
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Location: SoCal | Hey, John and I are talking guitars here.... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Are there any Russian made guitars? |
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Location: SoCal | I had traded Jon for a great Larrivee OM model, KOA back and sides, bear claw top...was very impressed.
However, didn't think twice when trading it to W-2 for one of his 1537's.
As to my Martin D-25K2, it is a keeper although not played much as I always seem to pick up a round bowl. |
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Location: Isle of Man, UK | **definately not political - just an observation**
I'm in awe of those risking their very lives to vote, as much as I respect those who are fighting to give them that right.
Now, given that it is well known that the nationals are indeed risking their lives to vote, could no-one in the developed world have thought of something better than inking a finger with purple ink after they've voted?? I appreciate that proper measures need to be taken to keep the vote clean and proper, but isn't this singling out those who did vote for harm?
Any better ideas anyone? I have to confess, I haven't thought of anything better so far today...
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Iraqi elections, No politics allowed
