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It sure does, will be watching the follow ups. |
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Not sure at this point if just Dimebag is dead or his brother too. I guess we'll find out later today. |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | another article about the shooting,with some pics:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/entertainment/article.adp?id=20041208235109990025
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Location: NJ | unbelieveable
how soon will it be till metal detectors will be a part of our daily life? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Been watching the news.
Amazing what society has become and since the killer was shot and killed we will never know the true motivation of why he did it like we did when MDC shot JL. |
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Location: NJ | yup but think of the millions saved in his room and board and trial.
as I understand the cop that shot him did so as he was still shooting, if the cop did not act as he did more people may be dead. Tough call in a tougher situation but IMHO it was the right one. |
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Location: SoCal | I doubt if it was a tough call at all. The cop did the right thing in that situation. Hell, he did the only thing. Only on tv do you shoot to wound, or try to disarm somebody who's already shooting. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Well, here in Brooklyn, regularly they have metal detectors and searches at rap and hip-hop events. Never at county music or blues or jazz venues. Why? Well that's a rhetorical question. At least from the tone of the music, 'cause I can't understand what they're saying, the image I get of Dimebag is that he's into this violent scene. I'm not saying you reap what you sew, cause I don't know what motivated the shooter, but it makes you wonder. |
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Location: SoCal | Rap and hip hop tends to glorify violence. Jazz, blues and country don't. Know your audience. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | If I was there (which I was wasn't) and packing(which I don't), I would have shot the bastard myself. |
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Location: NJ | Metal detectors and/or "pat down" will (and probably should) become more prevalant at smaller venues (of all types) . . .
Overseas suicide bombings and such don't normally happen in large arenas and such, it's usually nightclubs and discos. Just be a matter of time . . .
Happens at TwoManGroup gigs all the time . .
. . 'cept we just "bomb" and kill the audience more slowly/painfully . . . |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Speaking of violence, just saw this ...
I didn't know ...
1964, Sam Cooke is shot and beaten to death by a motel manager in Los Angeles ... Cooke was apparently running amok wearing only a sport coat and shoes ... he was chasing a young woman who had fled his room with his clothes after he had assaulted her ... in pursuit Cooke broke open the door to the manager's office door resulting in her shooting him three times and then beating Cooke for good measure ... he was dead when police arrived... |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | although i really dont know dimebag or his music, i am really saddened to see another musician meet a violent end. my thoughts are with his family and the families of the others killed and injured. a person is at risk these days even when locked in their house. step outside and the risk increases. life seems to have little value to a growing number of people.
the right to bear arms has deviated from it's original intention. i don't mean to start a gun debate, because i understand both sides. i grew up in detroit where kids packed guns to school back in the early 60's. i learned how to make a zip gun from a car antenna and a bolt door latch when i was 12. three of my classmates were killed before they graduated. guns have become the ultimate form of resolution. i hate to say it but i feel safer here in mexico where handguns are not permitted except in very special cases. crimes seem to be of opportunity rather than of passion or violence. i don't know what the answer is after 200 years habit. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | This is really sad.
I've never been a fan of Dimebag's music, but it is really horrible that this has happened. The violent manner in which it happened is sickening, and I feel for his family, friends and fans.
He was good friends with Zakk Wylde of Ozzy's band (and Black Label Society). I read an article within the last year or so when they described a late "drinking" night where they were hanging out and kept calling Eddie Van Halen at 3 in the morning because they had a 'great idea' for the 3 of them to do a cd together. It was a little like reading a beavis and butthead interview, but anyway...
No one deserves to check out like this. I do feel that Dime's lifestyle and music promoted anger, violence, and extreme excess, so it is reasonable to expect something really violent to happen at a show eventually...but it's still somehow shocking and incredibly sad.
I hope they can piece the motive for it together.
All the best to the fans.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Here's my predicition.... If we find out the motivation, it will have had nothing to do with his music. No basis, just a gut feeling.
As far as metal detectors, I have seen them more and more at clubs. Sometimes they are hidden too in the door frame, but anyway, I see them a lot, but this is the DC area, they were in place long before 9/11.
As far as metal detectors at HipHop events and not Country events, well that makes sence. If they had metal detectors at all Country events, there would be no audience or band or roadies allowed in. |
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Location: SE Michigan | We live in an unusual nation in incredible times. I find it bizarre that to drive a car you must (1) demonstrate that you are competent by getting and maintaining a license, (2) procure liability insurance in case you hurt someone, and (3) re-license the car annually and prove that it meets standards.
Yet any 21 year old who doesn’t have a felony record can by a gun, no other questions asked. Any 21 year old can walk into any store and by ammo, no questions asked. This is insanity. Talk about getting weapons away from terrorists!!
A gun makes even a child lethal. Most healthy people at least stand a chance of defending themselves against a knife or other weapon, or a least you can run away. But nobody stands a chance against a nut with a gun. But somehow the right to own a gun supercedes everyone else’s right to live in relative safety. Like I said we live in an unusual Nation |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | You may be right about the motivation.
The only thing I'm thinking that would make it music related would be some kind of grudge/vengeance from an ex-Pantera member or something. Those guys did nothing to hide their constant substance abuse/drinking. I can imagine it's hard to keep yourself in check when you're pissed off and consistantly loaded.
Who knows...
It's rather upsetting that they felt it needed to be handled, whatever the motivation, in a public arena (so to speak).
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Don't even get started on the gun thing.. I'll just say if murder was legal, and guns were sold at 7-11, people would be a lot more polite to each other and expecially to strangers. |
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Location: NJ | I always felt that every US citizen should be allowed 5 "legal kills" over the course of their life. People would be A LOT less likely to piss each other off . . . . |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I almost hate to chime in on this stuff because it usually ends up getting people all twisted out of position. But anyway, I can really go to either extreme (how's THAT for a commitment). What I mean is, exactly as I said earlier in this thread, if I had a gun I would have shot the scum bag myself. And I can also agree with all the other posts about people being better to their fellow man if murder was legel, etc.
But at the other extreme, and I agree with this also - I spend a lot of time in The Netherlands which is where my companies HQ is located. It's basically illigal to own a gun and guess what? The crime/murder rate involving guns is like ZERO. Same for DUI. One offense and you pretty much lose your license for life. So how many people do you suppose are killed by drunk drivers? You got it.
OK - Let's get back to talking about guitars... |
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Location: Tennessee | Unless you're Theo Van Gogh. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I wasn't going to continue this, but we seem to be civil and so far we've all agreed that humand killing humans just seems wrong. So with the thought that guns don't kill people, but people kill people... I am cuirious about the Netherlands. "The crime/murder rate involving guns is like ZERO"
But is there still crime and murder? I'm not asking to be a smart-ass, but from my knowledge of several places around the world where as normal course, people don't really consider violent crimes against other people. Crimes against a buisness or government yes, but stealing from another person just isn't normal as it is here, and I wondered about the Netherlands having never been there.
I lived in the Philippines when it was under Marshall law. On a similar note to the Netherlands, crimes involving guns were almost non-existant, however... guns themselves, although totally illegal, where everywhere. It's where I started my first collection. Guns were totally illegal, everyone had one or so it seemed, and the biggest crimes were pick-pockets around the Military bases and in big cities. The people just didn't seem to want to kill people, that was a nice place to live. There was crime, there was violence, but not killing for the most part.
On the subject of DUI's. In Hawaii, I believe it sill holds that a single DUI looses your license FOREVER!!!! in the state. When I lived there, the cops would do everything to not take your license. If you got stopped at a check-point, and just told the officer you need a ride home, you usually got one. They cops knew forever was a long time, so you got to make one mistake, use it wisely. But, with that in mind, I don't ever remember an alcohol related car accident on the news. I'm sure it must have happened, but I just don't ever recall it. Never understood why that wasn't a nationwide policy. Get a DUI = don't ever drive again.
I realize this thread is a little off-topic, I stated so in the title. If we need to stop, we will. But, as musicians and artists and fans of the same, I think talking about crime and prevention of it, especially crimes like what started this thread, is important, becasuse it in some way affects us. Like Lennon or Dimebag and so many others, what possibly could making a little music do to deserve being shot. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | We have some Dutch members here who could comment better than I, but there absolutely IS crime in The Netherlands. Pick-pockets and car theft are huge problems. Crime against property, vandelism, etc. is also present. But not armed crimes, robbery, etc. Violent crimes against human-kind are nothing like they are in the US. There are some murders and rapes of course, but it's nowhere near like it is here. And everyone points to the gun laws as being the major reason why such a difference. I'm not taking a stand here, just relaying information. |
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Location: Corvallis, OR | For reasons that are beyond my comprehension, celebrities often become the target of hate or aggression from deranged fans. And I guess, the more notariety you have, the more vulnerable you become.
I am so far down the notariety scale, that all I can report is that in 1975, while performing in coffee house, a drunk threw a drink at me. It increased my stage fright to the nth degree, and I havent performed since then.
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