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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | I noticed whenever a female logs onto a BBS, ours or others, they seem to get showered with replys and attention. That's why many surffing women like to remain asexual. Seems like when they decide to leave, they get even more attention. Why all they fuss? There are lots of sites with much better sex than Lisa can provide on this board. If there any other women out there reading our posts, please don't let anyone here know your female.
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Location: south east Michigan | I sensed a "swarm" also.
And....what happend to the "Thanks CWK2" thread. After careful thought I wrote what I thought was a concidered and meaningful post. Now 2 hours laters...it is gone. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | I surmise the deceased, overly-beaten equine has been removed (humanely) from the premises. Started to stink up the place, anyway. It's not censorship, IMHO, but a signal to move past the issue of personal reactivity and values conflict. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think, or at least I hope the swarm effect is an over-zealous reaction to bring more women into the fold. We know a large number of women are Ovation players based on the large numbers I hear are sold to women. Everyone should recieve the same enthusiasm when they join, but they don't. Maybe we should think about this. Note I didn't say post, I just suggested thinking about it. I know a LOT of women are signed up to this site and they don't post and I don't blame them sometimes.
Having said the above, this site is just a mirror of life at times. Both our good sides and bad come out, so I'm not suggesting change, just thought. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | The other approach would be for us men to post as a women. I could use the attention at my age. Sorry bad joke.
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Location: SoCal | Interesting thought that applies to a number of recent posts...
Just posted a welcome to Rudy Montes. You can see a picture of his granddaughter playing a duet with Michael. Wonderful young lady and very enthusiastic about the guitar.
Gee, what do I say to Rudy when he suggests she join the OFC?
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Location: High, in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado | Tony. if it were me, I'd recomend against it... In fact, I'd recomend that any youngster not join any "forum" out side of their piers, and then that needs to be monitored. She can have Grandpa ask the questions for her and she can observe... Then he has control...
Steve, I know what you mean...
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Location: Scotland | You know, I have avoided these discussions for several reasons. Not least because I am slightly embarrased that I have been guilty of off-colour language & profanity on numerous occasions.
This is a fun place to hang around, I have made many good friends here (and probably a few enemies, all of whom can go P%*& up a rope) I have learned in the last couple of years of posting here that email & message boards are pretty emotionless, and a comment which in person may be seen as an aside or a gentle prod may be taken completely out of context without the benefit of actual human interaction. Consequently, I now tend to edit myself before I post. That's not to say I'm turning into a wuss or am scared of offending anybody, nothing could be further from the truth.
It seems that members here have some options; 1) Go to the AG board, (which is full of aggressive, reactionary snobs) and dissapear up your own ass or 2) Stay here, "be nice" and turn the whole thing into a bore-fest or 3) we carry on as we are, as intelligent adults, accepting that somewhere along the line we'll offend some fucker. (That was ironic profanity, included for comic effect. I apologise to anyone who was offended by it)
The internet is open to anyone with a computer & a 'phone-lline and the single thing that makes it equally wonderful and equally unpleasant is that the content is beyond anyone's control. Dale is absolutely correct. Parental control is the key to internet use by minors. I fail to see why we, as adults discussing guitars, who may very occasionaly get a little off-colour, should worry about someones grandaughter possibly reading the "F" word when there are millions of pages of filth and depravity far more dangerous than Anglo-Saxon curses just a mouse-click away. Please, we are adults, we know how to behave and we do not need any form of censorship other than common sense and mutual respect |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Well stated Paul, thanks. |
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Location: Central Oregon | Well stated Paul. Except now I'm offended that you felt you had to clarify your use of profanity. Hardyhar.
I see something finally shook Russ back out of the woodwork! Welcome back! It would be a long winter up here without you commenting on the continuing existence of palm trees & pina coladas & bikini's & stuff down there.
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Location: Central Oregon | Originally posted by TheEliteist:
Tony. if it were me, I'd recomend against it... In fact, I'd recomend that any youngster not join any "forum" out side of their piers, and then that needs to be monitored. She can have Grandpa ask the questions for her and she can observe... Then he has control...
Dale
I agree. I don't let my under 14 nephews surf the net at all when I'm not here. Since they're all avid fans of South Park I'm not concerned at all about the content of places like this board warping their little minds (further), but I still don't think it's a good idea. There are some for-real bad people out there. Young kids wouldn't be interested in most of what of what we say anyway. They're in a whole different world & we are OLD & BORING.
One other thing I've noticed is that when I did let them surf freely (even when I'm here) I seem to get adware up the bazoo from the sites they like to visit. Game sites & that sort of thing seems to be loaded with it. Norton can fix most of it but some I have to delete manually.
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Location: hatzic lake, bc, canada. | Mr Templeman,very well said,as a fellow Brit i'm proud to know you.
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Location: hatzic lake, bc, canada. | Mr willard, equally well said,just as proud to know you. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Haven't seen all the discussions on this subject yet, but I totally agree with Paul T.
Maybe we have a song here
I agree with Paul T
We must be f-----g free
If children are left alone
To sneak a peak at our balone
And hear a word that is often shown
On every youthful music station MTV is not alone
We also give some good opinion
That I would let my grandchild in on
And talk of things that are very selfless
And advice that often seems so useless
On second thought it seems so priceless
That many guitars are made more useful
I rest my case I've suddenly become a doofes
Thanks Paul T
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Boy...I don't log on for a few days and all hell breaks loose (or should I say heck). After reading through the recent posts, I would like to commend Al and Miles for their handling of this situation and the board in general.
I am a member of several discussion boards and the moderator of one also. These situations are bound to pop up every now and then. I think that it's a good idea to let people express themselves the way they want to (within reason of course). I think that a lot of these people are just trying to get attention. If they were really that offended, they would just leave. Sometimes, people just want to hear themself talk. It reminds me of this guy at work who is a vegetarian and does nothing but make comments to people when they eat meat. I know other people who are vegetarians who do not feel the need to try to convert the world. I think that being a vegetarian is a very good idea, but I don't need to hear about it constantly.
As far as kids go, most youngsters who are old enough to want to participate in this forum probably hear and use far worse language than they read here! I'm also fairly confident that most women can handle the language around here as well. I don't think that gender is really an issue at all.
Although I am not a parent (workin' on it), I think that if I did have kids, I would be much more concerned about the many real dangers out there that face them every day in the world. I heard someone say that they monitor their kid's internet activities. I think that is the most important thing to do as I would think that the sickos who prey on kids would be in a chat room or other forums geared toward young people.
The bottom line is that people who are offended by what goes in here are likely offended by much of what is on TV and in movies as well. It is their right not to participate. As for me, I'm much more offended and upset every morning when I read the newspaper and read about all of the Americans being killed and injured overseas. I'm not trying to start another debate, but merely pointing out that, in the big scheme of things, a few four letter words don't mean all that much.
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Location: NJ | Another point to remember is that although we are not supported by KMC or Ovation in any way, they do acknowledge our existence and I believe we have a healthy and positive relationship. I wish to maintain that relationship. There are many instances where people have talked about problems with their guitars, or marketing, etc and that is really healthy stuff. I KNOW that the powers to be don't always want to see that but I KNOW that some do realize that it is necessary and can help the company to grow and expand and relate to the customer base.
Using profanity for the sake of profanity is just not something that KMC wants to see. I for one would like to continue our good relationship and keep the dialogue about GUITARS and MUSICIANSHIP going between the members.
soon we will have an off topics area that will be available to members only and if you really feel the need to post your feelings you can post them there.
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Location: Vernon, CT | Hey All,
Being a Brit myself if a Brit born USAF Brat counts and also a conscientious yank...I think Al P. et. al. are making great strides and accommodations for those that want to really freely express themselves. That is fine but if someone is identified as female then I presume they have scanned the strings, etc. and know what to expect. However, those guys and women who have no life or anything better to do who decide to go and sexually harass anyone individual on the OFC website should consider getting more sex toys or go f..k :) themselves and stop using the OFC site. We want to establish a better and maintain a good relationship with the Big O as Al says. Only a few sh**heads could screw that up for everyone in a short time in what has taken a long time to establish. Play On!
John L.
Custom Legend 1779-USA (on order)
Legend LX
Balladeer LX
Std. Balladeer
Celebrity C026
Tornado (1970)
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Martin D16GT
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Location: SoCal | I, for one, am going to start treating everybody here with the respect I would have for a woman or child on the board. No profanity, no rude remarks.
Cliff, ya got great legs.
Al, go to bed without dessert.
See. It was easy, no profanity or rudeness. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Paul,
You are my hero. I want to be like you when I grow out!
That was fairly easy, cool. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Just got back from 5 days sans-internet (ukulele shopping trip) and I have NO frigging idea what any of you are talking about. Sounds like someone got ticked off, picked up their ball, and went home. That happens. If I aided in their exile, I appologize. If on the other hand they deserved it, screw 'em. Life is short, OFC goes one, etc. etc. etc. Sounds like we're going to get some new topic ares to post. Great Idea. Personally I'd vote for a profanity site and a porn site, but that's just my personal opinion. Hey Paul B. - didn't know you were a huskers fan. Does 19-0 ring a bell??? Adios from the land of the free. |
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Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma | I know I don't post much but I'm here everyday checking messages and enjoying the banter... Then, I leave for a few days to help my brother clean up after Hurricane Ivan and all hell breaks loose.... I LOVE IT!... I guess Lisa just ain't a member of the tribe... Some do, some don't and some won't... That's why it's the WORLD wide web... Some sites are the WORLD Wild webb... But compared to a sight or two I pay for...(slightly blushing)... this place is a great place to hang, laugh and learn!...
Just my two cents worth,
Best to All!
Gerald
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | All you smart people really impress me
I just reread my doggeral and found a sound reason for suppression of free speech. Al and Miles should do everything they can to protect children from that kind of rambling, up to and including amending the Constitution.
Freedom must have limits, free speech is not an invitation to suicide by disgusting and outlandish pretences at verse.
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Location: Houston, TX | Bailey,
As hard as a tried to hear mandos and banjos while reading your verse, it kept sounding like rap in my brain. Go ahead, try it. Must have been written by Urban Bailey, the alter ego.
Sorry to pin that on you buddy. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Bailey,
Or is it "N&M" these days :rolleyes:
Add a new topic in the Music section for New Mex - between the Rap and Bluegrass section!
It is good that we have the option of starting every line of prose with "there once was a man from Nantucket...". It is even better when we choose not to. I just looked and saw the time on your post as 0318 in the dark and cold and therefore graded on a curve.
As a last statement over all the fuss I just want to say that the comotion wasn't over what the one person did, it was the reaction of all in defense of perceived inalienable (or is it alien) rights.
I still like this board. I still open mail from Nils and I enjoy it when new people drop in.
In the words of a retired Gas Station Owner...
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